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Re: New best with the 408 but not without some issues [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1834260
05/26/15 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted By MR_P_BODY
Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
Originally Posted By MR_P_BODY
So what have you found out about your oil pressure
wave




Holy heck oldtimer its almost 8:30pm and I didn't eat yet. Take it easy on me. OK after my 3 mile morning walk I removed my driver side spark plugs (3911's) and installed (4) 3922's as that was all I had. Changed the jets from 150's to 146's and installed 2 new needle and seats in the carb, filled the tank and fired it up. 70 pounds of pressure on start-up. Ran for about 20 minutes with my lean out ball valve open and got it up to 165 degrees. Smoke out of the driver side seemed much better but pressure was down to 20 pounds. Shut it down and drained the oil and cut the Wix racing filter apart for checking. Fund a few shinny flakes but i mean a few. Oil seemed somewhat alcohol contaminated to me. I am going to find some 10-40 or maybe even 20-50 tomorrow and try that before I remove the pan to change the oil pump. Most of the leak-down numbers are in 6-8 percent but a couple are 15%. Will do compression test after I change the oil.


I was just curious.. I have a belief that someone
is changing the hardness of the springs.. as soon
as the temp comes up the pressure starts to drop..
it still shows fine at 70 cold.. even with thin oil
good luck... congrats on the NB
wave
. mike it's funny what you said about the spring because when I cut the oil filter open the spring was all compressed kinda funky. I didn't like the way it looked so I cut apart another old oil filter I had from before and the spring was compress and overlapped the same way


1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.38@138.67


Livin and lovin life one day at a time




Re: New best with the 408 but not without some issues [Re: pittsburghracer] #1834279
05/26/15 12:39 AM
05/26/15 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
Originally Posted By MR_P_BODY
Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
Originally Posted By MR_P_BODY
So what have you found out about your oil pressure
wave




Holy heck oldtimer its almost 8:30pm and I didn't eat yet. Take it easy on me. OK after my 3 mile morning walk I removed my driver side spark plugs (3911's) and installed (4) 3922's as that was all I had. Changed the jets from 150's to 146's and installed 2 new needle and seats in the carb, filled the tank and fired it up. 70 pounds of pressure on start-up. Ran for about 20 minutes with my lean out ball valve open and got it up to 165 degrees. Smoke out of the driver side seemed much better but pressure was down to 20 pounds. Shut it down and drained the oil and cut the Wix racing filter apart for checking. Fund a few shinny flakes but i mean a few. Oil seemed somewhat alcohol contaminated to me. I am going to find some 10-40 or maybe even 20-50 tomorrow and try that before I remove the pan to change the oil pump. Most of the leak-down numbers are in 6-8 percent but a couple are 15%. Will do compression test after I change the oil.


I was just curious.. I have a belief that someone
is changing the hardness of the springs.. as soon
as the temp comes up the pressure starts to drop..
it still shows fine at 70 cold.. even with thin oil
good luck... congrats on the NB
wave
. mike it's funny what you said about the spring because when I cut the oil filter open the spring was all compressed kinda funky. I didn't like the way it looked so I cut apart another old oil filter I had from before and the spring was compress and overlapped the same way


I was thinking the oil pump relief spring... are you
talking the oil filter spring
wave

Re: New best with the 408 but not without some issues [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1834289
05/26/15 12:57 AM
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Yes oil filter. Not going to pull the pan and pump until i try fresh oil. It looked alcohol diluted to me.


1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.38@138.67


Livin and lovin life one day at a time




Re: New best with the 408 but not without some issues [Re: pittsburghracer] #1834295
05/26/15 01:06 AM
05/26/15 01:06 AM
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Why would you go to thicker oil in search of a number? Thicker oil equals less flow. The pressure number is greater do to flow restriction. What does this accomplish? Nothing. If there is sufficient film strength between the surfaces to prevent metal to metal contact that is all that is required. If the pressure is not sufficient to prevent metal to metal with thiner oil then there is to much internal leakage. Personally I have no issue with 20psi idle and 55-65 at speed. I've run 60@7100 for 200 passes with a big block. Larger journals, therefore faster surface speed which by all rights should require more pressure than a small journal. Just checked the bearings, perfect. 5w30, 25 psi hot@1200,60@7100. I will say that I first ran this motor with only 40psi@7000 and the bearings were "shiny" after 25 passes. 40psi was not quite enough to prevent contact, just barely. The issue was to much oil though the pushrods. Restricting the oil upstairs cured it. Since you have no feed to the lifters Id be looking at cam bearings, rocker shafts. Assuming the mains and rods are in the ball park.
Doug

Re: New best with the 408 but not without some issues [Re: pittsburghracer] #1834579
05/26/15 03:12 PM
05/26/15 03:12 PM
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John, my oil pressure has been that low for years, hot idle is 18-20 psi and down track is around 55, my machinist told me that if the pressure comes up when you tickle the throttle then run it, so I have, also mine is 40 psi on cold start-up.


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