Re: Big Block Mopar Cylinder Head Prototype Design Project
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04/17/15 03:20 PM
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Not trying to derail any new contributions to the Mopar cause, just want to make sure it's legit and not some pipe-dream or scam. I totally understand where your coming from. With all of the scams going around these days, its wise to approach anything like this with caution. All I can say from my end is that I didn't waste my time designing these cylinder heads with the intention to scam or cheat anyone. My goal is to create a cylinder head platform for racers to build upon that has the potential to surpass what we currently have available. I ultimately want to progress the brand forward and I hope that this project will do that.
Adriel Paradise Substation Design Engineer III
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Re: Big Block Mopar Cylinder Head Prototype Design Project
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04/17/15 03:29 PM
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So you want people to pony up $12k for a pair of heads that they know nothing about? Just want to be clear here. No he wants a bunch of small donations that could hopefully add up to enough money for a prototype set of heads. Usually in crowdfunding cases like this people get perks for being backers. Having a chance to buy the first set, cheaper then retail, etc etc.
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Re: Big Block Mopar Cylinder Head Prototype Design Project
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So you want people to pony up $12k for a pair of heads that they know nothing about? Just want to be clear here. No he wants a bunch of small donations that could hopefully add up to enough money for a prototype set of heads. Usually in crowdfunding cases like this people get perks for being backers. Having a chance to buy the first set, cheaper then retail, etc etc. So I'm misunderstanding this part? To answer the question of producing the head. Minus valvetrain, 12k gets you a set of bare cylinder head(ie cnc machining, valve guides, seats, etc). If several people collectively donate $12k, who is "you" in this....who gets the cylinder head(s)? Things like this need to be stated clearly...what each person gets in return for the donation, what gets accomplished for the X amount, what still needs to be done before actual working cylinder heads can be shipped out. Sorry if I see red flags...been through this song and dance before.
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Re: Big Block Mopar Cylinder Head Prototype Design Project
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04/17/15 04:06 PM
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So I'm misunderstanding this part? To answer the question of producing the head. Minus valvetrain, 12k gets you a set of bare cylinder head(ie cnc machining, valve guides, seats, etc). If several people collectively donate $12k, who is "you" in this....who gets the cylinder head(s)? Things like this need to be stated clearly...what each person gets in return for the donation, what gets accomplished for the X amount, what still needs to be done before actual working cylinder heads can be shipped out. Sorry if I see red flags...been through this song and dance before. I definitely think that he could of conveyed that better, and did a better job on the perks vs just getting to vote for the choices. I would say he is the one who gets the prototype, and like most it will probably end up ported, blown through the water jackets, bandsawed and be the basis for future heads.
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Re: Big Block Mopar Cylinder Head Prototype Design Project
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04/17/15 05:11 PM
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Canted Configuration #2 gets my vote!
Nice job!
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Re: Big Block Mopar Cylinder Head Prototype Design Project
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04/17/15 05:39 PM
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We need better blocks before better heads. Most any aftermarket head will be a me to make enough power to exceed the limits of a stock block. What good are heads that can make say, 1,200hp, if the block can only hold 800??
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Re: Big Block Mopar Cylinder Head Prototype Design Project
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04/17/15 07:18 PM
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Re: Big Block Mopar Cylinder Head Prototype Design Project
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04/17/15 07:24 PM
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We need better blocks before better heads. I didn't want to be the first with negative comments but I agree completely. Redesigning a head for a 50 year old block doesn't make a lot of sense to me - particularly when you consider what the whole upgrade is going to cost ... there isn't a single aftermarket piece that's going to work with any of these configurations. I imagine you'll be well over 10k by the time you buy pistons, heads, intake, valve covers and headers. And the, what's "Mopar" ... the block !!! When its all said and done I think you'd be able to build a more powerful hemi - Gen II or Gen III - for WAY less money. But I applaud the initiative !!!
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Re: Big Block Mopar Cylinder Head Prototype Design Project
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04/18/15 02:45 AM
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Quick update, made a little progress today in terms of funding and support with a few individuals offering there services and others who have made financial contributions to the project. I'm hopeful that the progress will continue. I have made some changes to both sites to clarify how funds raised will be used.
In gauging everyone's feedback it seems as though I have missed the mark with the perks I've offered in exchange for any contributions. I really thought it would've been an opportunity for people to let their voice be heard by giving their input. Definitely my mistake. So, I will let you guys decide on a new perk to add to the project in addition to what's available so I look forward to your input in that regard. What do you think? Highest bid gets the final cylinder head assembly and trademark naming rights?
Also, I want to clarify that any contribution amount will be accepted. 25cents, $1, $5, or whatever. Any of those contributions give you an opportunity to get involved. Indiegogo kind of makes that confusing since it is formatted to show one value to receive the perk. That however is not the case. Please follow suit with the ranges that are posted on the website. Upon making a contribution, I will send an email to you to record your vote.
So far its a toss up between the Wedge Configuration #2 and the Canted Configuration #2.
Again, thanks everyone for the kind words and support, its very much appreciated!
Lastly, I want to make it very clear that I have no intentions of maximizing a profit margin with these heads. If these heads make it to market, I plan on offering them at the cost of making the part with little to no profit margin. At most maybe 1% of the total. I believe its much more important to try to make these cylinder heads as accessible as possible than worry about turning a profit. I know, I know, its not a smart business decision, I'm crazy, its naive, etc etc.
Adriel Paradise Substation Design Engineer III
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Re: Big Block Mopar Cylinder Head Prototype Design Project
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04/18/15 11:44 AM
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Well, then call me crazy, but I feel that a stock block, wedge head with maybe a BBC exhaust port setup would be great for a(soon to return)weekend racer like me. I would like to be able to get hold of a decent header kit like hedmans that I can assemble to work with a modified front end, on a reasonable budget. I don't really need the expense of Kook's, World, Lenco, etc. Just want to go a little faster and have fun without the cost of a Prostock.
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Re: Big Block Mopar Cylinder Head Prototype Design Project
[Re: Adrielp]
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04/18/15 02:21 PM
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I am a diehard mopar guy and although I can not afford to build a high end engine or car, I want nothing more than to see lots of mopars being competitive in any class they can run in. I will make a donation for the cause on monday when Im on a computer to look at each valve layout more closely.
And who knows, maybe some day I will have the money to build a high end car and because of my contribution now, I will be able to buy a clean sheet cylinder head that I always wish someone would make
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Re: Big Block Mopar Cylinder Head Prototype Design Project
[Re: Adrielp]
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04/18/15 10:00 PM
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Do these heads have a combustion chamber designed in this century? If so and if the info isn't proprietary it would be nice to see the head from the combustion chamber side. In any case it sounds like some outside the box thinking in both R+D and business plan. Kevin
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Re: Big Block Mopar Cylinder Head Prototype Design Project
[Re: Adrielp]
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04/19/15 01:26 AM
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Quick update, made a little progress today in terms of funding and support with a few individuals offering there services and others who have made financial contributions to the project. I'm hopeful that the progress will continue. I have made some changes to both sites to clarify how funds raised will be used.
In gauging everyone's feedback it seems as though I have missed the mark with the perks I've offered in exchange for any contributions. I really thought it would've been an opportunity for people to let their voice be heard by giving their input. Definitely my mistake. So, I will let you guys decide on a new perk to add to the project in addition to what's available so I look forward to your input in that regard. What do you think? Highest bid gets the final cylinder head assembly and trademark naming rights?
Also, I want to clarify that any contribution amount will be accepted. 25cents, $1, $5, or whatever. Any of those contributions give you an opportunity to get involved. Indiegogo kind of makes that confusing since it is formatted to show one value to receive the perk. That however is not the case. Please follow suit with the ranges that are posted on the website. Upon making a contribution, I will send an email to you to record your vote.
So far its a toss up between the Wedge Configuration #2 and the Canted Configuration #2.
Again, thanks everyone for the kind words and support, its very much appreciated!
Lastly, I want to make it very clear that I have no intentions of maximizing a profit margin with these heads. If these heads make it to market, I plan on offering them at the cost of making the part with little to no profit margin. At most maybe 1% of the total. I believe its much more important to try to make these cylinder heads as accessible as possible than worry about turning a profit. I know, I know, its not a smart business decision, I'm crazy, its naive, etc etc. I donated but it never allowed me to vote??> might want to fix that issue, so my vote is canted valve configuration #2
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Re: Big Block Mopar Cylinder Head Prototype Design Project
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04/19/15 01:58 AM
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I sure hope this works out for the younger crowd. Us old-timers have to make the best of what we have gathered up over the years. Good-luck and I really hope this takes off.
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Re: Big Block Mopar Cylinder Head Prototype Design Project
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04/19/15 05:49 AM
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Well, then call me crazy, but I feel that a stock block, wedge head with maybe a BBC exhaust port setup would be great for a(soon to return)weekend racer like me. I would like to be able to get hold of a decent header kit like hedmans that I can assemble to work with a modified front end, on a reasonable budget. I don't really need the expense of Kook's, World, Lenco, etc. Just want to go a little faster and have fun without the cost of a Prostock. This just doesn't seem to make any sense at all. There are already plenty of heads that will make WAY more power than a stock block can handle, for a whole lot less money than these proposed heads will cost. So why would you buy an exotic head for a stock block. Monte
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Re: Big Block Mopar Cylinder Head Prototype Design Project
[Re: Adrielp]
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04/19/15 11:06 AM
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Awesome project and that is a ton of work you have done in what looks like SolidWorks.
I would have no problem using a smaller runner version of these on a stock block in order to use a very mild cam/valvetrain low compression for cheap pump gas and STILL make big power. If big power is your game then available HP blocks are being produced soon as I understand it.
I don't see how design 2 will work without a custom cam core which drives associated costs up. I would choose design 1 even though the valve cover is not near as sexy as evenly spaced sparkplug holes.
Again config 1 in the wedge design is the most practical of the four.
I would change the exhaust pattern to Big Chev design and spacing so the really cheap bastards here (me) could adapt those header kits easily.
I say BRAVO! Why the heck not? J.Rob
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