Re: Big Block Mopar Cylinder Head Prototype Design Project
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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04/19/15 12:28 PM
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This just doesn't seem to make any sense at all. There are already plenty of heads that will make WAY more power than a stock block can handle, for a whole lot less money than these proposed heads will cost. So why would you buy an exotic head for a stock block.
Monte Maybe I'm being too optimistic on price when he mentioned that there will me minimal profit made on these heads, that the object is to increase Mopar HP awareness.
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Re: Big Block Mopar Cylinder Head Prototype Design Project
[Re: Adrielp]
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04/19/15 01:34 PM
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Since no one else has mentioned it? A drawing of the exterior of a new head design tells you this much about chamber burn characteristics, CR, valve sizes, plug placement, port volume, stem angles, cooling, and flow capacity: zero.
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Re: Big Block Mopar Cylinder Head Prototype Design Project
[Re: sgcuda]
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04/19/15 03:26 PM
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The website has pic's of intake ports, exhaust ports and chamber designs. Where's the face palm smiley when you need it? Who da thunk to look there. There's probably at least 50 HP in the 10+ deg less timing those chambers will need. Just speculating but it should help a stock block live longer too. Kevin
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Re: Big Block Mopar Cylinder Head Prototype Design Project
[Re: Adrielp]
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04/19/15 04:06 PM
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I don't know about other shops but we have a hard time getting stock block guys to upgrade to 440-1's instead of using Edelbrocks. The way I see it these heads would be between $15000 to $18000 assembled with rockers and valve covers. Add another $3500 for the intake then you still need custom headers.
There is a small market for a head like this and it could be the answer for the T/S guys that don't want to spray it. I my self would pick the canted #4 and due the the similarities to the Hemi 99 style head, maybe even modify it a little like the Hemi 06 with the double canted valve angle.
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Re: Big Block Mopar Cylinder Head Prototype Design Project
[Re: sgcuda]
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04/19/15 04:12 PM
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They're pictures, not blueprints, not FEA, not cad/cam. They tell you nothing about how (or if) they work.
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Re: Big Block Mopar Cylinder Head Prototype Design Project
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04/19/15 07:26 PM
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I don't think enough of you are looking at this for what it really is... Well, what do you think? A real potential, a scam, an unrealistic dream?
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Re: Big Block Mopar Cylinder Head Prototype Design Project
[Re: sgcuda]
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04/19/15 08:55 PM
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I don't think enough of you are looking at this for what it really is... Well, what do you think? A real potential, a scam, an unrealistic dream? Unrealistic dreams.
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Re: Big Block Mopar Cylinder Head Prototype Design Project
[Re: 451Cuda]
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04/19/15 10:41 PM
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there will me minimal profit made on these heads If the plan is to let someone else do all the work and you take a 1% royalty, yeah maybe. But if you do all the outsourcing of the manufacturing and then handle just the order fulfillment, it ain't gonna last. Just imagine the work that goes into getting a set made and assembled, ready to ship. And let's say a set costs 10k. You get $100. for your effort! This business model alone should be enough to scare off investors !! Common sense should dictate that whatever the margins of the suppliers are, they should be yours as well. The casting company makes 30 points, the machinist makes 30 points, the valvetrain supplier makes 30 points ... YOU should be making 30 points. Now, if that puts the price of the heads into the "unaffordable" zone then you quit right now. In fact, if you'd do a full cost analysis and the results are favorable you'd have no problem getting financing. Right now its just a pipe dream and a bunch of suckers are buying into it.
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Re: Big Block Mopar Cylinder Head Prototype Design Project
[Re: Adrielp]
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04/20/15 05:36 AM
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A bunch of time has gone into these designs, I take my hat off to you! I plan on doing something similar for small blocks, but I have many other things to do first. Maybe you might find someone who will give up some of their time for machining a pair of prototypes? I'm on the other side of the world, so I'm not much help to you. I don't imagine you are going to sell a bunch of these, but if a cashed up racer is prepared to work with you, you might get something going. If these heads get onto something engine wise and run some numbers, you'll get more interest I would imagine.
Best of luck!
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Re: Big Block Mopar Cylinder Head Prototype Design Project
[Re: Stanton]
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04/20/15 12:49 PM
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Right now its just a pipe dream and a bunch of suckers are buying into it. I'd say it's more appropriate to say right now it's an interesting concept where a number of people are supporting the OP's initiative, despite the obvious drawbacks to seeing such a project come to fruition.
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