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wideband recommendations #1803000 04/14/15 02:07 AM 04/14/15 02:07 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,976 Chilliwack B.C. Canada R RUNCHARGER OP I Live Here
RUNCHARGER OP I Live Here R Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,976 Chilliwack B.C. Canada	I guess it's time. Any recommendations for a wideband brand and model. I'll temporarily mount it in both my cars until they're right and then remove it. I don't need a data logger, I can take someone along to monitor if needed. They're both street cars in the 11 second bracket. I know nothing about them so any recommendations would be appreciated. Sheldon Sheldon

Re: wideband recommendations [Re: RUNCHARGER] #1803011 04/14/15 02:38 AM 04/14/15 02:38 AM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,319 Puyallup, WA S StealthWedge67 master
StealthWedge67 master S Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,319 Puyallup, WA	I don't have one, but I have a buddy that has one of these. I did some research this winter, and when I do find budget for a wideband, this is what I'll get. http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/lm2.php LemonWedge - Street heavy / Strip ready - 11.07 @ 120

Re: wideband recommendations [Re: RUNCHARGER] #1803015 04/14/15 02:45 AM 04/14/15 02:45 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	I have the LM-1 and have had it for about 5 years.. I dont have the rpm and recorder so I need a second person or video it while driving and call out the rpm.. unless your video can see both the A/R and the tach

Re: wideband recommendations [Re: RUNCHARGER] #1803019 04/14/15 03:11 AM 04/14/15 03:11 AM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 6,562 Downtown Roebuck Ont Twostick Still wishing...
Twostick Still wishing... Joined: May 2003 Posts: 6,562 Downtown Roebuck Ont	I have an Innovate LC1 for a wide band controller for my EFI. It was about the cheapest on the market at the time and I think the new one (LC2?)is too. It takes a little longer to install and remove than the LM1 but it has data logging capabilities when used with a laptop. You may think you don't need data logging but it will make your tuning life much more pleasant if you have it. Kevin

Re: wideband recommendations [Re: Twostick] #1803027 04/14/15 03:38 AM 04/14/15 03:38 AM
Joined: Aug 2013 Posts: 106 Central IL T Trojmn member
Trojmn member T Joined: Aug 2013 Posts: 106 Central IL	Originally Posted By Twostick You may think you don't need data logging but it will make your tuning life much more pleasant if you have it. Kevin right there... log it if you can. ive had a couple lc1's over the years. I thought they were OK and work well for the price. I have had wonky sensors, but new ones are in stock at the local parts store. bro dave says otherwise, depends on how much you want to spend: Originally Posted By dave I own several Innovates but have always found them to be really fussy and not the best reliablilty. The best wideband for the price is NGK AFX. It's control logic was developed by the same guys at ECM, who make lab grade widebands. I have a AFX in my Srt and I tune with a lab quality ECM AFM1000(+$1500), they're dead on to each other. The AFX also uses a more reliable and accurate NTK sensor. Not a fan of AEM. The cheapest wideband on the market is rarely worth buying. Most AEM show around 1/2-3/4 point lean at WOT when compared to my AFM1000. Last edited by Trojmn; 04/14/15 03:39 AM.

Re: wideband recommendations [Re: RUNCHARGER] #1803125 04/14/15 11:33 AM 04/14/15 11:33 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,076 Benton, IL. D DaveRS23 Special needs idiot
DaveRS23 Special needs idiot D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,076 Benton, IL.	Things happen very quickly in the world of A/F ratios and RPM. Without the ability to review and interpret graphs, you are missing a lot of info. Details and trends are very important and can often only be seen in the graphs. Logging with RPM is essential. It was mentioned above that one brand showed a leaner WOT A/F ratio than another. Not a big deal. The WOT ratio displayed in not what is important. WOT A/F should only be set by the engine's response. Such as best MPH at the track or through dyno sessions and with plug readings. There is no universal A/F ratio that all engines make the best HP at. Just a range. So a wide band can not tell you if you have the optimum WOT ratio, but it can tell you if you have the WOT fuel curve right. Which again would be very difficult or impossible to see without a graphed log. Master, again and still

Re: wideband recommendations [Re: DaveRS23] #1803129 04/14/15 11:40 AM 04/14/15 11:40 AM
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,131 Home of the Bluegrass MoparJunkie super stock
MoparJunkie super stock Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,131 Home of the Bluegrass	Sheldon, I have a LM-2. It has rpm and data logging capabilities. I like it very well. You can find them on ebay or go straight to the link previously provided at innovate. They've gone up a bit since I purchased mine, but as stated earlier they're invaluable... "It takes a Mopar to catch a Mopar” 1971 Roadrunner FJ6 Sassy Grass 505"RB, 18 spline 4 speed, and Dana 60 with 3.54 2022 Hellcat Charger Widebody Redeye Jailbreak: Hellraisin with 8 speed auto

Re: wideband recommendations [Re: DaveRS23] #1803133 04/14/15 11:44 AM 04/14/15 11:44 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Originally Posted By DaveRS23 Things happen very quickly in the world of A/F ratios and RPM. Without the ability to review and interpret graphs, you are missing a lot of info. Details and trends are very important and can often only be seen in the graphs. Logging with RPM is essential. It was mentioned above that one brand showed a leaner WOT A/F ratio than another. Not a big deal. The WOT ratio displayed in not what is important. WOT A/F should only be set by the engine's response. Such as best MPH at the track or through dyno sessions and with plug readings. There is no universal A/F ratio that all engines make the best HP at. Just a range. So a wide band can not tell you if you have the optimum WOT ratio, but it can tell you if you have the WOT fuel curve right. Which again would be very difficult or impossible to see without a graphed log. Very true... a lot of people think there is some magic number on the A/F and there isnt... like you said.. every engine is different.. the A/F readings are great if you make changes and need to get back to the A/F ratio... when I tune WOT.. I set for the best MPH THEN take a reading so I have a reference point and I dont set idle with it either.. get it to idle the leanest but the best you can get it to idle

Re: wideband recommendations [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1803161 04/14/15 12:46 PM 04/14/15 12:46 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,976 Chilliwack B.C. Canada R RUNCHARGER OP I Live Here
RUNCHARGER OP I Live Here R Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,976 Chilliwack B.C. Canada	Really great info, Thanks a lot guys! Sheldon Sheldon

Re: wideband recommendations [Re: RUNCHARGER] #1803979 04/15/15 04:39 AM 04/15/15 04:39 AM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,517 pacific northwest S Stroker Scamp master
Stroker Scamp master S Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,517 pacific northwest	I have FAST unit I would not get one!! footbrake N/A SB 408 Scamp 10.10 @ 132 street/strip 73 Duster 340 street strip 12.79 @ 105

Re: wideband recommendations [Re: Stroker Scamp] #1804043 04/15/15 10:54 AM 04/15/15 10:54 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Originally Posted By Stroker Scamp I have FAST unit I would not get one!! What do you dislike about the FAST unit

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