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For the first time since 2011............. #1796993 04/05/15 09:50 PM 04/05/15 09:50 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	It looks like I'm actually gonna get to race again. I spent yesterday going through everything and today priming the oil system and changing the plugs and de winterizing the car. It fired off like she was pissed I left her sit so long But the real reason for this post is to get some input from you guys. In taking the dist and the oil pump drive gear out to prime it I marked the location and orientation of everything and so I'm pretty confident that the timing is at least pretty darn close to where it should be but still wanted to set it to make sure. This is where I ran into something I've never experienced before. While the light strobing from the gun looked normal, it did not show the steady display of the numbers on the balancer like it should. It looked like the balancer was jumping all over the place. Now, the light in question is a Craftsman Pro dial back light. I know I have used this light without issue before both on my car and my wifes. The cars ignition system is an MSD 6AL, MSD billet dist (locked adv) and Firecore wires and coil. I have read all the posts about dial back timing lights not working with MSD ign's but as this is the first time I've ever run into this I need to ask if this sounds like the timing light is the issue or does it sound like something is going on with my ign system?

Re: For the first time since 2011............. [Re: WILD BILL] #1796994 04/05/15 09:53 PM 04/05/15 09:53 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,918 Akron, Ohio ProSport I Live Here
ProSport I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,918 Akron, Ohio	Can you borrow a friends timing gun? Glad you're getting back at it, it's been since September 2010 that I went down a track.

Re: For the first time since 2011............. [Re: WILD BILL] #1796995 04/05/15 10:02 PM 04/05/15 10:02 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az Crizila master
Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	Looked inside the distributor lately? Maybe it's a little rusted up? Fastest 300

Re: For the first time since 2011............. [Re: Crizila] #1796996 04/05/15 10:24 PM 04/05/15 10:24 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,030 ohio 6 67mprfan super stock
67mprfan super stock 6 Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,030 ohio	Are the dist wires hooked up correctly mine were backwards caused timing light to read incorrectly 8481878-2014classicphoto001.jpg (146 downloads) 71 demon stock stroke 440/indy ez-1 running 10.10 @ 132.14 mph in the 1/4 and 6.36 @ 107.46 mph in the 1/8 not in the same weekend but It did it then I sold it. 67 Belvedere that worked it's way in the 10's

Re: For the first time since 2011............. [Re: Crizila] #1796997 04/05/15 10:25 PM 04/05/15 10:25 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	I had the dist cap off during the procedure and saw no rust or anything else out of the ordinary. I did have my dad go get his old Sun timing light and it did the same thing.

Re: For the first time since 2011............. [Re: 67mprfan] #1796998 04/05/15 10:27 PM 04/05/15 10:27 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	Quote: Are the dist wires hooked up correctly mine were backwards caused timing light to read incorrectly The plug only fits together one way. No way to screw it up

Re: For the first time since 2011............. [Re: WILD BILL] #1796999 04/05/15 10:45 PM 04/05/15 10:45 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,880 United Socialist States of Ame... T tboomer Too Many Posts
tboomer Too Many Posts T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,880 United Socialist States of Ame...	Good luck to you this year blue boy! How's the new job treatin ya! Need your rear end checked out? Contact Grizzly!!

Re: For the first time since 2011............. [Re: WILD BILL] #1797000 04/05/15 10:49 PM 04/05/15 10:49 PM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 289 Lowes steve660 enthusiast
steve660 enthusiast Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 289 Lowes	Mine has done that. Timing mark jumps around. Mine was Timing chain stretch. PSO headed 632 from MM. Cracked cylinder, loose valve seats, low oil pressure, low cylinder pressure. ..... Now its a door stop....

Re: For the first time since 2011............. [Re: steve660] #1797001 04/05/15 11:03 PM 04/05/15 11:03 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	I got my car running so I guess it's going pretty good Ted Hard to believe it would be chain stretch with only a short season of run time.

Re: For the first time since 2011............. [Re: WILD BILL] #1797002 04/05/15 11:12 PM 04/05/15 11:12 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually B BradH Taking time off to work on my car
BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	What type of damper do you use? What brand of timing chain set, too?

Re: For the first time since 2011............. [Re: WILD BILL] #1797003 04/05/15 11:32 PM 04/05/15 11:32 PM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 22,873 Chicken coop dustergirl340 Chicken Little
dustergirl340 Chicken Little Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 22,873 Chicken coop	With MSD ignitions we up the RPM to over 3,000 before using the timing light. And I'll be expecting a hug at Norwalk this fall!

Re: For the first time since 2011............. [Re: dustergirl340] #1797004 04/05/15 11:37 PM 04/05/15 11:37 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 6,559 Downtown Roebuck Ont Twostick Still wishing...
Twostick Still wishing... Joined: May 2003 Posts: 6,559 Downtown Roebuck Ont	Run the engine up over 3000. IIRC that is where an MSD goes to single strike. It should then firm up the strobe if it's the light objecting to the MSD at idle. Kevin

Re: For the first time since 2011............. [Re: Twostick] #1797005 04/05/15 11:45 PM 04/05/15 11:45 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,608 Rudolph, Ohio moparguy7074 top fuel
moparguy7074 top fuel Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,608 Rudolph, Ohio	Check to make sure everything is tight in distributor. I had the same problem with mine, and screws in rotor were loose. Not saying that's the problem, but something to check.

Re: For the first time since 2011............. [Re: BradH] #1797006 04/05/15 11:48 PM 04/05/15 11:48 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	Quote: What type of damper do you use? What brand of timing chain set, too? The damper is a Profesional Products. I don't recall 100% on the chain but I think it's a Cloyes.

Re: For the first time since 2011............. [Re: moparguy7074] #1797007 04/05/15 11:55 PM 04/05/15 11:55 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	I'll double check the rotor screws. and try over 3K RPM. Not sure I can get away with that in the neighborhood though. Might have to wait till we're at the track for that. Kathy, Not sure I'm going to do the Mopar race at Norwalk. Not sure I can get that time off this early in the new job plus I can't seem to wrap my head around justifying what they are charging for weekend vs what it used to be. I know it's a different event and hoster but still........

Re: For the first time since 2011............. [Re: WILD BILL] #1797008 04/06/15 12:35 AM 04/06/15 12:35 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,350 Aurora, Oh. M max_maniac master
max_maniac master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,350 Aurora, Oh.	Bill, The cost is $150.00 for the weekend and you get 2 FULL race days with 2 FULL payouts! You never got that much with the person that was running it before

Re: For the first time since 2011............. [Re: max_maniac] #1797009 04/06/15 12:49 AM 04/06/15 12:49 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,145 PA. pittsburghracer "Little"John
pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,145 PA.	Heck of a deal Bill for a weekend race like that 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: For the first time since 2011............. [Re: WILD BILL] #1797010 04/06/15 01:02 AM 04/06/15 01:02 AM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 13,185 aZLiViN J J_BODY I Live Here
J_BODY I Live Here J Joined: May 2003 Posts: 13,185 aZLiViN	always good to hear about another ride coming out of mothballs! hope you are able to beat on that ride this summer!! treat R like ya beat R!

Re: For the first time since 2011............. [Re: J_BODY] #1797011 04/06/15 05:37 AM 04/06/15 05:37 AM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,825 Sk. Canada RemCharger master
RemCharger master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,825 Sk. Canada	Glad to hear you"re back!

Re: For the first time since 2011............. [Re: WILD BILL] #1797012 04/06/15 06:15 AM 04/06/15 06:15 AM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 854 Bloomingdale , OH super451b super stock
super451b super stock Joined: May 2003 Posts: 854 Bloomingdale , OH	Welcome Back ! I use the same light without any issues. 2 things that I have seen are 1. The pickup for the timing light is too close to one of the other wires. 2. Timing chain stretch

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