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Slight spark delay when cranking?? #1787763
03/25/15 03:37 AM
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This is my 72 W200, 318. Converted to electronic ignition and using the blue HiRev 7500 box.

Today, since it was cold and had been a while since I started it, it cranked slow... and never started. I pulled the coil wire off and cranked it, and had no sparks, except sometimes when I released the key.

Put it back together and put the battery charger on it. Few minutes later it cranked slightly faster and fired right up.

Later when it was warm, I again removed the coil wire and cranked it over. Now being warm, it cranked MUCH faster. I had a short (~1s, 5-8 revolution?) delay between when it started cranking and I got any sparks, and even then had the occasional missed spark.

I was thinking that I should have a good spark immediately. Am I wrong? Any idea why I wouldn't have it immediately, or when it's cranking slowly?

I'm already looking at a new mini starter to fix the slow cranking part , but the delay on the spark has me


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Re: Slight spark delay when cranking?? [Re: hooziewhatsit] #1787764
03/25/15 01:01 PM
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that is a strange one. since the reluctor rotation is what gets the ball rolling I would start there & (1) check it for (correct) gap. (2) clean all connections/plug ins including the bulkhead (#1 place) (3) I wouldn't suggest shotgunning new parts at it but if you have replacements in your stash you might sub in another ECU and a pickup (whole dist might be easier) one at a time. You have no choice as (likely) it's gonna get worse & will eventually leave you stranded (usually at the most inopportune time) & it wont fix itself. Holler how it turns out. Myself I'm thinking ECU or pickup


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Re: Slight spark delay when cranking?? [Re: RapidRobert] #1787765
03/25/15 02:06 PM
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make sure your ECU has a good ground...you may have to scratch a little paint off the new ECU.


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Re: Slight spark delay when cranking?? [Re: skicker] #1787766
03/25/15 04:38 PM
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As I think about it more, I do recall the reluctor slipping farther open on me a couple years ago

Time to take the cap off and check it.

I suppose I could also pull the distributor, then manually spin it and watch the (non) spark.


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Re: Slight spark delay when cranking?? [Re: hooziewhatsit] #1787767
03/25/15 07:39 PM
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plug in a spare one (even a /6) & spin it. it'd be easier to elim/confirm the dist that way if you have one handy.


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Re: Slight spark delay when cranking?? [Re: hooziewhatsit] #1812104
04/26/15 02:11 AM
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Took the distributor cap off tonight, and checked the gap between the reluctor and pickup. 0.012".

It's supposed to be closer than that, right? 6-8 thou I thought. Will another 4 make that much difference?


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Re: Slight spark delay when cranking?? [Re: hooziewhatsit] #1812131
04/26/15 05:03 AM
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To answer my own question; yes, it is enough to make a difference.

Pulled the dist before making any changes and spun it to watch the sparks. Fast spin = lots of sparks. Slow spin = sometimes spark

Closed the gap to 'I can still see light' on the close side, and ~10 on the other side. Similar with the vac advance engaged.
Now, fast spin = lots of sparks, slow spin = many more sparks than before.

Then it cranked and fired right up much faster than it normally would have.


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