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Re: Slow starter still causing issues
[Re: ryanf]
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03/22/15 03:00 PM
03/22/15 03:00 PM
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bethlehem pa
mikemee1331
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a mid 90's (94 i think) dodge ram with a 360. are there mini starters with different gear positions?
don't know. I don't use one although what you are using checks out on the cross reference in the archives.
with the starter out of the engine is the gear in the same position as it is in the picture you posted or is it further back into the housing? that gear should be further back. what might be happening is when you go to start the gear is firing out correctly (engaging the flywheel) but gets bound up due to mis-alignment causing 1)slow cranking 2) the gaer to not disengage from the flywheel.
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Re: Slow starter still causing issues
[Re: ryanf]
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03/22/15 07:20 PM
03/22/15 07:20 PM
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Carson City, Nevada
RobbMc
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When the starter is out of the engine its in the same position. when i power it, the gear extends out and it spins. But when the starter is installed the gear at rest is already meshed with the flywheel. Could the issue be with the flywheel? (which i really hope it isn't)
This may be the problem. When you install the starter (with the pinion gear retracted) you should have a gap between the pinion and ring gear of about 1/8". If not, you need to determine if the problem is with the starter or the flywheel.
Remove the starter and use some calipers or a ruler to determine the distance from the starter mounting surface to the nearest face of the ring gear. The distance should be 1-1/16" give or take 1/16".
Then measure the "stick-out" of the pinion gear on the starter with the pinion gear retracted. Measure from the mounting surface on the starter to the end of the pinion gear. This dimension should be 15/16" give or take.
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Re: Slow starter still causing issues
[Re: RobbMc]
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03/23/15 12:50 AM
03/23/15 12:50 AM
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ryanf
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When the starter is out of the engine its in the same position. when i power it, the gear extends out and it spins. But when the starter is installed the gear at rest is already meshed with the flywheel. Could the issue be with the flywheel? (which i really hope it isn't)
This may be the problem. When you install the starter (with the pinion gear retracted) you should have a gap between the pinion and ring gear of about 1/8". If not, you need to determine if the problem is with the starter or the flywheel.
Remove the starter and use some calipers or a ruler to determine the distance from the starter mounting surface to the nearest face of the ring gear. The distance should be 1-1/16" give or take 1/16".
Then measure the "stick-out" of the pinion gear on the starter with the pinion gear retracted. Measure from the mounting surface on the starter to the end of the pinion gear. This dimension should be 15/16" give or take.
Thanks for this, measured the starter and with your numbers these were way off. Decided to pick up a third starter and bolt it in. Pinion was not stuck in the flywheel and it actually cranks now! Now i just have to put everything back together next weekend. Never would have thought of receiving two incorrect/bad starters. Thanks for the help everyone!
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Re: Slow starter still causing issues
[Re: ryanf]
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03/23/15 09:05 AM
03/23/15 09:05 AM
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mikemee1331
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When the starter is out of the engine its in the same position. when i power it, the gear extends out and it spins. But when the starter is installed the gear at rest is already meshed with the flywheel. Could the issue be with the flywheel? (which i really hope it isn't)
This may be the problem. When you install the starter (with the pinion gear retracted) you should have a gap between the pinion and ring gear of about 1/8". If not, you need to determine if the problem is with the starter or the flywheel.
Remove the starter and use some calipers or a ruler to determine the distance from the starter mounting surface to the nearest face of the ring gear. The distance should be 1-1/16" give or take 1/16".
Then measure the "stick-out" of the pinion gear on the starter with the pinion gear retracted. Measure from the mounting surface on the starter to the end of the pinion gear. This dimension should be 15/16" give or take.
Thanks for this, measured the starter and with your numbers these were way off. Decided to pick up a third starter and bolt it in. Pinion was not stuck in the flywheel and it actually cranks now! Now i just have to put everything back together next weekend. Never would have thought of receiving two incorrect/bad starters. Thanks for the help everyone!
as a pointer for all of us, when got the different starter (the one that works) what did you ask for at the counter?? was there a visual difference?
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loosen the starter bolts and jiggle the starter. Does the pinion retract?
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