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Re: Expensive 9 inch rears! [Re: Quicktree] #1771153
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After initial setup on my Dana I can change gears in a half hour or less. Never had to run pro gears either. We ran a ring gear that had a broken pinion with a pinion from a broken gear, and ran them together for one season till we came across a used set to 50 bucks. Dana is just strong, don't under estimate it. Unless you run heads up racing why do want to have extra gear sets ready is beyond me.




Your faster than ANYONE I've seen(if your doing it
right).. I helped 2 guys on drag week (1 chevy and
1 mopar.. 12 bolt and a dana) change gears laying
on the ground.. its not fun... and both took WELL
over 2 hours... but I'm slow I guess(I dont do it
for a living)



I have to call BS on the less than half hour. maybe if you just slap them in there with out checking and setting them up.



If you were to set up the patterns for the ratios you need during the beginning build and save the shim packs, it would be pretty quick to swap. Especially if the ring gear was on a spare spool. 30 minutes is way quick. If the axles were slid out, and drive shaft out it would be pretty quick.
Doug

Re: Expensive 9 inch rears! [Re: dvw] #1771154
03/05/15 09:34 AM
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After initial setup on my Dana I can change gears in a half hour or less. Never had to run pro gears either. We ran a ring gear that had a broken pinion with a pinion from a broken gear, and ran them together for one season till we came across a used set to 50 bucks. Dana is just strong, don't under estimate it. Unless you run heads up racing why do want to have extra gear sets ready is beyond me.




Your faster than ANYONE I've seen(if your doing it
right).. I helped 2 guys on drag week (1 chevy and
1 mopar.. 12 bolt and a dana) change gears laying
on the ground.. its not fun... and both took WELL
over 2 hours... but I'm slow I guess(I dont do it
for a living)



I have to call BS on the less than half hour. maybe if you just slap them in there with out checking and setting them up.



If you were to set up the patterns for the ratios you need during the beginning build and save the shim packs, it would be pretty quick to swap. Especially if the ring gear was on a spare spool. 30 minutes is way quick. If the axles were slid out, and drive shaft out it would be pretty quick.
Doug


maybe if you used the same manufacturer, but from what I have seen they are not even close. and if it was on a bench would make a huge difference from being in a car. I just don't see it anyway. I would have to see it

Re: Expensive 9 inch rears! [Re: Quicktree] #1771155
03/05/15 11:41 AM
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Had my 9" rears before and they were fine, but went with a Dana this time.

Have WAY less in it than an identically equipped 9" and super strong for my needs with room to grow.

Truck case, welded tubes,
35 spl floater hubs, 5/8" studs
35 spline floater axles
Eaton Detroit Locker
4.10 Motive Gears
ARP stud/caps
Strange yoke
rear alum cover/girdle
c/m brace
disc brakes

Swapping gears isn't a requirement/issue for me

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Re: Expensive 9 inch rears! [Re: rowin4] #1771156
03/05/15 12:09 PM
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My as well buy all the 9"s also, sell them to the other side of this posting. make twice as much money.




It's been done..........about 25 years ago I was shopping for N cases and 31 spline trac loc stuff at a large yard around here.
The owner told me that two guys stop by regularly and clean him out of all the 9' stuff they can get.
One from Ohio and one from California.
Aftermarket cases were right around the corner then........now we have quite a few choices from Chi Com to pretty nice.
If the 8 3/4 decides to cease being a useful member of society on me , it will be a 9" because it is what I know.
It's not that I dislike a Dana.
They are plenty sturdy. No doubt.
The h.p. I give away isn't enough for me to lose a second's sleep over.
So versatility and familiarity win here.

Re: Expensive 9 inch rears! [Re: tubtar] #1771157
03/05/15 12:40 PM
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This all comes down to buy what you can afford, and be happy with your decision. Axles, gears, bearings, spools, yokes etc. all cost nearly the same from one rear to another. Now when it comes to weight and strength, that is where the $$$ comes into play. Want a cheaper rear? Install the Dana but accept the weight that goes along with it. BOTH are strong rears, and CAN get the job done.


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Re: Expensive 9 inch rears! [Re: LAD 524] #1771158
03/05/15 12:45 PM
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35 spl floater hubs, 5/8" studs
35 spline floater axles





Why are you using a floating axle?
Is there any advantage to this for drag cars?


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Re: Expensive 9 inch rears! [Re: Quicktree] #1771159
03/05/15 01:27 PM
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Then You don't know about slip fit bearings on the spool or the numbering system on pinions. Back lash is just a matter of moving shims from side to side none added or taken away. Pinions are marked for depth to center of spool, just add or subtract( if more than .002)from the one that's initially set up. The pinion already has the big bearing on it. I have both the miller tool sets(given to me when my uncle sold the dealership), I don't use them after the first setup, just check pattern with white lead(Stijl got a can). It's certainly not rocket science. Setting up the first time could take two hours or more depending on the parts used.

Re: Expensive 9 inch rears! [Re: 451Cuda] #1771160
03/05/15 03:04 PM
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So much arrogance in this thread...

x2 on the junkyard D60, for mild street/strip it makes no sense to blow $3k+ on a rear when one can be pieced together for around $1k




Apparently your your math skills aren't to good. As I stated a few posts above this it was 1590.00 for complete rear not 3000. This is all new parts not used pieced together stuff, call and get delivered to your house.


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Re: Expensive 9 inch rears! [Re: 1967dartgt] #1771161
03/05/15 03:07 PM
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Will the axles from my 8 3/4" work in a same length Dana?

Re: Expensive 9 inch rears! [Re: moparguy7074] #1771162
03/05/15 03:13 PM
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Your axles will work for in a dana 60 as well as a ford nine inch. You just need to tell the manufacturer to put Mopar ends on or weld them on your self. Then your existing brakes will also work. Same for both rear ends.

the next poster says I am wrong on the dana 60 that the axles are different lengths. I do know the nine inch will work.

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Re: Expensive 9 inch rears! [Re: moparguy7074] #1771163
03/05/15 03:15 PM
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Will the axles from my 8 3/4" work in a same length Dana?




No. 8 3/4" axles are the same length. Dana 60 axles are different by an inch from side-to-side. They are the same otherwise. (B/E body style.)

Re: Expensive 9 inch rears! [Re: 1967dartgt] #1771164
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So much arrogance in this thread...

x2 on the junkyard D60, for mild street/strip it makes no sense to blow $3k+ on a rear when one can be pieced together for around $1k




Apparently your your math skills aren't to good. As I stated a few posts above this it was 1590.00 for complete rear not 3000. This is all new parts not used pieced together stuff, call and get delivered to your house.




It's not new. They are refurbished housings and ends. New ends and housing are additional cost.

Re: Expensive 9 inch rears! [Re: 1967dartgt] #1771165
03/05/15 04:29 PM
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So much arrogance in this thread...

x2 on the junkyard D60, for mild street/strip it makes no sense to blow $3k+ on a rear when one can be pieced together for around $1k




Apparently your your math skills aren't to good. As I stated a few posts above this it was 1590.00 for complete rear not 3000. This is all new parts not used pieced together stuff, call and get delivered to your house.




I'm going off the $2000 center sections people are posting. Add axles, narrowed housing and brace, brakes, bearings, etc etc it's roughly $3000. Even going by your price of $1590, I can beat that with a 30 spline D60 put together from junkyard parts for less than $1000, and it'll do just fine in most street/strip cars.

I can also put together a cheap 31 spline 9 inch from junkyard parts...but comparing that to a junkyard D60 I'll chose the dana.

Re: Expensive 9 inch rears! [Re: Locomotion] #1771166
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Will the axles from my 8 3/4" work in a same length Dana?




No. 8 3/4" axles are the same length. Dana 60 axles are different by an inch from side-to-side. They are the same otherwise. (B/E body style.)



Yes, i always center the housing with same length axles, pinion offset just like engine, do you offset the 8 3/4-8 1/4-9 1/4-olds-9 inch with different length tubes? If the rear is very narrow, there's no problem with the link brackets being equal. I used the axles and ends off the 8 3/4 i broke after 25 passes, been there since 92

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Re: Expensive 9 inch rears! [Re: 68shifter] #1771167
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So much arrogance in this thread...

x2 on the junkyard D60, for mild street/strip it makes no sense to blow $3k+ on a rear when one can be pieced together for around $1k




Apparently your your math skills aren't to good. As I stated a few posts above this it was 1590.00 for complete rear not 3000. This is all new parts not used pieced together stuff, call and get delivered to your house.




It's not new. They are refurbished housings and ends. New ends and housing are additional cost.




Only 175 more if you need new center housing and billet ends.


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Re: Expensive 9 inch rears! [Re: 451Cuda] #1771168
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So much arrogance in this thread...

x2 on the junkyard D60, for mild street/strip it makes no sense to blow $3k+ on a rear when one can be pieced together for around $1k




Apparently your your math skills aren't to good. As I stated a few posts above this it was 1590.00 for complete rear not 3000. This is all new parts not used pieced together stuff, call and get delivered to your house.




I'm going off the $2000 center sections people are posting. Add axles, narrowed housing and brace, brakes, bearings, etc etc it's roughly $3000. Even going by your price of $1590, I can beat that with a 30 spline D60 put together from junkyard parts for less than $1000, and it'll do just fine in most street/strip cars.

I can also put together a cheap 31 spline 9 inch from junkyard parts...but comparing that to a junkyard D60 I'll chose the dana.





I post three center sections 990, 1219, 1290 in costs and you choose the one someone says they have over 2000 in it to compair. Buy the way you can buy that one for 1200 so it's still not 2000.


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Re: Expensive 9 inch rears! [Re: 1967dartgt] #1771169
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So much arrogance in this thread...

x2 on the junkyard D60, for mild street/strip it makes no sense to blow $3k+ on a rear when one can be pieced together for around $1k




Apparently your your math skills aren't to good. As I stated a few posts above this it was 1590.00 for complete rear not 3000. This is all new parts not used pieced together stuff, call and get delivered to your house.




I'm going off the $2000 center sections people are posting. Add axles, narrowed housing and brace, brakes, bearings, etc etc it's roughly $3000. Even going by your price of $1590, I can beat that with a 30 spline D60 put together from junkyard parts for less than $1000, and it'll do just fine in most street/strip cars.

I can also put together a cheap 31 spline 9 inch from junkyard parts...but comparing that to a junkyard D60 I'll chose the dana.





I post three center sections 990, 1219, 1290 in costs and you choose the one someone says they have over 2000 in it to compair. Buy the way you can buy that one for 1200 so it's still not 2000.


and thats a hell of a deal

Re: Expensive 9 inch rears! [Re: Quicktree] #1771170
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.maybe if you used the same manufacturer, but from what I have seen they are not even close. and if it was on a bench would make a huge difference from being in a car. I just don't see it anyway. I would have to see it




It wouldn't matter. Pre-set the pinion depth and backlash for each gear set. Only needs pattern check and set-up once.Then remove the spare set(s). Either use the same spool or keep each spool/ring gear as a unit. Save the pinion shim pack, right and left side shim packs with that gear set. Remove and install all components together. The real ticket is the spare spool that way the side bearings and side shims are pre-installed. To swap pull the caps and spool. Pull the pinion. Knock the rear pinion race out, swap pinion shims and race. Install pinion and spool, done
Doug

Re: Expensive 9 inch rears! [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1771171
03/06/15 08:04 PM
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Not that I could care less what any one runs for a
rear end but I find it strange that the drag pack cars
run a 9"... I run a 8 3/4 and a 9" in my cars.. its
what I had to put in them





Al Carps drag pak car that Barton races and is the fastest DP car runs a D60 in it.

Re: Expensive 9 inch rears! [Re: 340RICK] #1771172
03/06/15 08:55 PM
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It is troubling how much you guys are thinking about other guys rear-ends! Let it go. Beep

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