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Quality Cast Iron Wedge Block #1770706
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I know blocks have been talked about often hear but I cant seem to find any info??

Can anyone lead me in the right direction for a Wedge block? Needs to be cast as it will be going in my F.A.S.T Max Wedge so it has to look some what stock with stock mounts.

Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks Ed

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Re: Quality Cast Iron Wedge Block [Re: XXHEMI] #1770707
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The only one I've seen first hand is the Koleneo Block and I can say it did look like a real nice block.

Here's a link to the cut away pics from Koffel's web site.

http://www.b1heads.com/engines/cutaway/page_01.htm

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Are they avalible? I thought there was a hold up with them.
I agree they look nice!

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Ed, check your PMs. Thanks.

Re: Quality Cast Iron Wedge Block [Re: XXHEMI] #1770710
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Are they avalible? I thought there was a hold up with them.
I agree they look nice!




Sorry, that I can't answer.

Re: Quality Cast Iron Wedge Block [Re: WILD BILL] #1770711
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The NO Blocks issue has been a problem for us Mopar guys for years and years--maybe decade--I for one am sick and tired of it! Indy with their sorry service and block that needs a week in the machine shop to be used After you pay out the ying yang for it--KB--Wonderful unit! The wait time and expense --whew!! No other options--I think it is reason enough to switch brands and move on--as the supply of 440 stock blocks dwindle down to the scuds it is even worse.
I built a FED and it is Chevy by way of the fact that the chassis was already designed for it when I got it--so...I built one--
The report:
Built a wonderful race engine with parts that were available next day at crazy low prices compared to Mop's and have been racing and having Fun ( the reason I have ever screwed around with cars and engines) I can get my choice of two brands of Quailty blocks with about a dozen options form about 20 vendors all over night and now I can get China copy of those great blocks for $1200--all will handle any HP level that can be imagined and the Dart units come out of the wrapper ready to wash and race in most cases--so......go ahead...save up twice what a block is worth and wait--then get the scud blocks that Mopar threw in the dumptser that some enterprising person dug out of the dumpster and with NO regard for the flaws that got them there --go ahead and sell them to you as New Mopar blocks--and after you discover why they were junked I bet you trashed some nice parts as paid to learn that --
We have been screwed over for over a decade on blocks--I for one----GET THE MESSAGE!!!
I want to race and have fun and go fast--I NO LONGER care what brand does that for me--
After years of building other brands--as well as my beloved Mopars I finally see what I was blind to all those years I was paying double for a Pentestar item--It is the truth boys and...even now as I am waiting in line to do that again--there are NO friggin blocks to be had--and the 50 or so that " Are in process" ( I gag at that line after 20 years of hearing it) will be presold and gone the day they all ship so none for next weeks wanters--Ya'll can have that misery--it ain't worth it anymore.

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I think your best bet is to find a used motor for sale and part it out and keep the block. At least you could find one with a history, already machined and pretty much ready for your project. You might even come out a few bucks ahead


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Re: Quality Cast Iron Wedge Block [Re: XXHEMI] #1770713
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Koleno isn't making anything.

I think your only option for a new block is either KB or Indy, but both in aluminum. That HP Performance place may also be making blocks still, but I think they're aluminum only also.
You'll have to scrounge around and find someone selling an older MP, Koleno, or World cast iron block and probably pay more for it than they did when it was new.


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Thanks for the info guys!

Good thing is I don't need it today. I am just getting ready for the next time we need to freshin it up. It has been a great build but I do believe we are at a stock blocks limits.

Rumor has it there will be Three new Hemi cars out in F.A.S.T this year and I may have to start looking for more? The class as been a little stale the last few years and it did not make sence to spend any money on new things. Hopefully this may put a little life back in the class and get everybody thinking again?

So what cast iron block do you guys think is the best? What should I be looking for?

Thanks again Ed

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ive got a buddy that has a world block still on the pallet he got it from barton that he don't need...he got it to build a 572 but found a great deal on a complete motor so the block was push under the shelf....pm if you would like is contact info

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Ed the bad thing about the aftermarket blocks is that they are a lot heavier than a production block. Of coarse that 4.5" bore could help.


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Re: Quality Cast Iron Wedge Block [Re: dannysbee] #1770717
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Ed the bad thing about the aftermarket blocks is that they are a lot heavier than a production block. Of coarse that 4.5" bore could help.




Ed is running F.A.S.T. , have they even opened up to the use of a siamese block , if not his only choice is to find an old MP P5007671 Block , all the other MP wedge blocks were crossbolted mains and I think they would be siamese bore blocks ? Ootherwise find a late 70's 440 block that is standard bore and build from there.

Re: Quality Cast Iron Wedge Block [Re: JohnRR] #1770718
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So how much hp do you think your going to make? Do you need an after market block? We are making 735hp with a stock block and 250 passes on it. No need to run 10's with anything but a stock block I would think....

And good luck if you want an after market block...especially in cast iron.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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look in the big block for sale section. factory cross bolt wedge block.

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i guess all the good block manufacturers are deaf and certainly dont need our money.indy WANTS all our money,and kb HAS all our money.....


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Presently making over 800hp and going thru the traps a 7500 in the stock block and I also have well over 200 passes on it. My Hopes are the block will help make more power not sure if it will? My main consern is keeping it together. I am pretty sure most of the other cars that are running up front have after market blocks? Time to join the party.

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since production vanished,used prices are now more than original new.maybe koleno will retool and start production again.hopefully on a diet too.i dont think dart has any interest.somebody needs to fill the market with something respectable and affordable.those companys know there is a desperate need.not that it matters,but, i sent an inquiry to dart asking about possible wedge and hemi blocks.if i get a response i will forward it.i need another block also..cross your fingers...


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Presently making over 800hp and going thru the traps a 7500 in the stock block and I also have well over 200 passes on it. My Hopes are the block will help make more power not sure if it will? My main consern is keeping it together. I am pretty sure most of the other cars that are running up front have after market blocks? Time to join the party.




I would say your rpm is pushing the limits. As everyone said, the after market ones are heavier. I just sold mine and it weighed a bunch...Bad place to add weight...


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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Go super lightweight on the rest of the car and you'll only need 600 or even less to do the same that you're doing with 800+. Plus it will last longer with lower unstrung RPM's.

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look in the big block for sale section. factory cross bolt wedge block.




Already snagged it!!!!

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