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hemi & 6bbl vapor separator #1768990 03/02/15 03:47 AM 03/02/15 03:47 AM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,179 California mickm OP master
mickm OP master Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,179 California	who makes these? want to find a good quality one. thanks!

Re: hemi & 6bbl vapor separator [Re: mickm] #1768991 03/02/15 01:06 PM 03/02/15 01:06 PM
Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 4,449 Morristown Tn. 7 71birdJ68 master
71birdJ68 master 7 Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 4,449 Morristown Tn.	Call Frank, or Roger Gibson, theirs has the screen inside, but nobody has the correct one with the .060 hole in the return nipple. I took a bolt, and cut the head off, and drilled the hole, and just put it inside the rubber hose, so it does the same thing.

Re: hemi & 6bbl vapor separator [Re: 71birdJ68] #1768992 03/02/15 02:04 PM 03/02/15 02:04 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,179 California mickm OP master
mickm OP master Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,179 California	Quote: Call Frank, or Roger Gibson, theirs has the screen inside, but nobody has the correct one with the .060 hole in the return nipple. I took a bolt, and cut the head off, and drilled the hole, and just put it inside the rubber hose, so it does the same thing. what's with the hole being the wrong size? this only allows vapor from the separator to return to the tank, yes? Last edited by mickm; 03/02/15 02:05 PM.

Re: hemi & 6bbl vapor separator [Re: mickm] #1768993 03/02/15 02:09 PM 03/02/15 02:09 PM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 178 New Berlin,Wi F Firepowerflyer member
Firepowerflyer member F Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 178 New Berlin,Wi	When the hole is too large it sends the fuel back to the tank.My 440 in my 69 GTX would be fine in first gear and part of 2nd then it would fall on it's face. It would run out of gas on full throttle runs. I soldered mine shut and redrilled it to .060 works perfect now.

Re: hemi & 6bbl vapor separator [Re: mickm] #1768994 03/02/15 02:11 PM 03/02/15 02:11 PM
Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 4,449 Morristown Tn. 7 71birdJ68 master
71birdJ68 master 7 Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 4,449 Morristown Tn.	What year of car are you putting it on? On a 71 the hole restricts the flow back to the tank, if you don't have it your fuel pressure could be low. The service manual talks about on a 71, maybe the earlier models as well. Also, a lot of the repo's don't have a screen, which Franks does. Last edited by 71birdJ68; 03/02/15 02:13 PM.

Re: hemi & 6bbl vapor separator [Re: Firepowerflyer] #1768995 03/02/15 02:18 PM 03/02/15 02:18 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 21,399 It's a dry heat gtx6970 Too Many Posts
gtx6970 Too Many Posts Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 21,399 It's a dry heat	At one time there were at least 2 companies making them( not sure if that is still the case ) Anyway the good one had the wording IN and OUT stamped in the can like OE. ( The junk was blank ) There are internal differences but thats the easiest way to tell them apart. But even the good one the return orfice was a touch to big. In 'most' cases it will be fine, Unless you hammer on the car and stay in high rpms for any length of time. The ones selling the good ones are Randy at Dixie Restoration supplies. Richard at Restoration Parts and materials Jamie at Megaparts Or call Dave at Restoration Specialties , his wife owns the company making the good ones. Anybody else would be suspect of quality ,,,IMO

Re: hemi & 6bbl vapor separator [Re: gtx6970] #1768996 03/02/15 02:20 PM 03/02/15 02:20 PM
Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 4,449 Morristown Tn. 7 71birdJ68 master
71birdJ68 master 7 Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 4,449 Morristown Tn.	Frank, and Roger have the good one's also.

Re: hemi & 6bbl vapor separator [Re: 71birdJ68] #1768997 03/02/15 02:36 PM 03/02/15 02:36 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,179 California mickm OP master
mickm OP master Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,179 California	ok, sounds good. no problem setting that to the right size. i want to run 3/8" line from the pump, (actually have regulator hanging directly off the pump) up to the tee, (i have a 3/8" in, 5/16" out tee). i was planning on cutting off the 5/16" inlet and outlet on the separator, and then welding 3/8" nipples on in their place.

Re: hemi & 6bbl vapor separator [Re: mickm] #1768998 03/02/15 11:49 PM 03/02/15 11:49 PM
Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 315 Ontario, Canada RealWing enthusiast
RealWing enthusiast Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 315 Ontario, Canada	Lots of bogus ones out there and I got one. Could not get the car started - all the fuel was going straight back to the tank because there was no orifice in the return line Cut it open and just short stub lines inside and no screen!! The return line needs a 0.040" to 0.060" orifice. 8446927-IMG_8182.JPG (194 downloads) 1970 Superbird 440-6bbl, auto 1969 Barracuda 340-4bbl, FB Formula S auto 1969 Barracuda 6.1 L Hemi, 5 speed, Convertible 2022 Can Am Spyder RTL

Re: hemi & 6bbl vapor separator [Re: RealWing] #1768999 03/02/15 11:50 PM 03/02/15 11:50 PM
Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 315 Ontario, Canada RealWing enthusiast
RealWing enthusiast Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 315 Ontario, Canada	This is what it should look like 8446930-Fuelseparatorcutaway.jpg (384 downloads) 1970 Superbird 440-6bbl, auto 1969 Barracuda 340-4bbl, FB Formula S auto 1969 Barracuda 6.1 L Hemi, 5 speed, Convertible 2022 Can Am Spyder RTL

Re: hemi & 6bbl vapor separator [Re: RealWing] #1769000 03/03/15 01:22 AM 03/03/15 01:22 AM
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moparmarks I Live Here Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 12,494 Western Colorado High Desert	Was also used on 440-4bbl too. 72 Satellite Sebring Plus 440, 72 Dart 5.9 4-spd, 68 Valiant, 73 W200, 78 D100 sb, 78 D200, 98 DAKOTA, . Moparmarks Parts & Restorations Desert Mopar Metal Grand Jct. CO 970-261-7039 http://moparmark.com/ motormangj@gmail.com

Re: hemi & 6bbl vapor separator [Re: RealWing] #1769001 03/03/15 03:19 AM 03/03/15 03:19 AM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,179 California mickm OP master
mickm OP master Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,179 California	i ordered one from frank badelson. i assume i'll get a good one, and modify it for 3/8" from there...

Re: hemi & 6bbl vapor separator [Re: mickm] #1769002 03/03/15 10:27 AM 03/03/15 10:27 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	I know everyone want's 3/8" but 5/16" is plenty after the fuel pump. I just want to go on record and say this.

Re: hemi & 6bbl vapor separator [Re: Challenger 1] #1769003 03/03/15 03:50 PM 03/03/15 03:50 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,179 California mickm OP master
mickm OP master Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,179 California	Quote: I know everyone want's 3/8" but 5/16" is plenty after the fuel pump. I just want to go on record and say this. you are right, i'm just doing this for fun, really, since i have the parts.

Re: hemi & 6bbl vapor separator [Re: mickm] #1769004 03/03/15 09:54 PM 03/03/15 09:54 PM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 84 PA J Jack Zupan member
Jack Zupan member J Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 84 PA	I bought mine from Mancini and had the same troubles. I was pumping most of the fuel back through the return line. I put a clamp on the rubber fuel hose between the return line and vapor separator which seemed to solve the problem. Of course I am defeating the purpose of the thing in the first place.

Re: hemi & 6bbl vapor separator [Re: Jack Zupan] #1769005 03/03/15 10:30 PM 03/03/15 10:30 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,029 Southeast Virginia 68jim super stock
68jim super stock Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,029 Southeast Virginia	I put a pressure gauge on mine and watched it drop about 2-2.5 psi after I had clamped down on the return line then open it back up again. The Carters carbs, I've always heard, are a bit sensitive to pressure. After some research here on some older Moparts threads I found that the trick was to restrict the return line as even the factory .060" was a bit fat. Recommended was closer to .030". I soldered the return line tip closed then drilled it to .032" because that was the closest drill bit I had at the time. My pressure drop is now around .5 PSI. Even with the smaller hole it still passes plenty of gas. I rigged up some clear tubing for several weeks but rarely saw any bubbles.

Re: hemi & 6bbl vapor separator [Re: 68jim] #1769006 03/04/15 03:44 PM 03/04/15 03:44 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,179 California mickm OP master
mickm OP master Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,179 California	Quote: I put a pressure gauge on mine and watched it drop about 2-2.5 psi after I had clamped down on the return line then open it back up again. The Carters carbs, I've always heard, are a bit sensitive to pressure. After some research here on some older Moparts threads I found that the trick was to restrict the return line as even the factory .060" was a bit fat. Recommended was closer to .030". I soldered the return line tip closed then drilled it to .032" because that was the closest drill bit I had at the time. My pressure drop is now around .5 PSI. Even with the smaller hole it still passes plenty of gas. I rigged up some clear tubing for several weeks but rarely saw any bubbles. good to know. i will set mine around .030 and go from there.

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