Re: Hemi Vs Wedge Debate
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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12/28/08 02:17 PM
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Seems pretty simple. If the hemi was the be all and end all of naturally aspirated engines they would be ruling the heads up classes of the world. I think we can all agree that they do not do that.
But at the same time we can all agree that no engine can compete with a Hemi in S S/S classes? How much hp does dthemi make N/A? (being a purpose built nitrous engine?)
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Re: Hemi Vs Wedge Debate
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12/28/08 02:26 PM
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SO now we are putting restrictions on the engines??? The SS stuff has plenty for sure. At best it means in a purely stock form that the Hemi had better heads. But I did not realize we were now restricting the engines to stock type heads. In that case I think we can all agree there is no comparison.
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Re: Hemi Vs Wedge Debate
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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12/28/08 02:37 PM
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Seems pretty simple. If the hemi was the be all and end all of naturally aspirated engines they would be ruling the heads up classes of the world. I think we can all agree that they do not do that.
This being titled "hemi vs. wedge", please share with us where a wedge is the preferred layout for any class, anywhere, unless the rules require it to be "inline valves".
I don't see how you can say an IHRA P/S engine isn't a hemi, but you can call a DRCE or a hemi 99 a wedge. Not with a straight face anyway.
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Re: Hemi Vs Wedge Debate
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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12/28/08 02:40 PM
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You've got to be kidding! The ALL-TIME heads-up classes. T/F, F/C & IHRA P/S all use Hemi heads. Whether they call 'em Mopars, Fords or now Chevys the design is still the same-- HEMI. When NHRA DID have heads-up P/S racing it was so one-sided they added weight to the Hemi cars & NASCAR flat-out banned them for a year until that political mess could get straightened out. Is A hEMI PERFECT? OF COURSE NOT! they're expensive, finicky, huge, heavy & comparitively complicated. But if price is no concern & you're not limited by rules or physical space, a hemi anything is the way to go.
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Re: Hemi Vs Wedge Debate
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12/28/08 02:45 PM
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Your kidding right?? Did you miss the NATURALLY ASPIRATED part of the answer? Oh yeah this is almost 2009 not the 1970's Well being a guy who has run both Hemi and Wedge configured naturally aspirated Mopars I will not be going back to a Hemi, period. Well unless it is a 99 Hemi but who are we fooling that aint a Hemi anyway.
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Re: Hemi Vs Wedge Debate
[Re: moeflo]
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12/28/08 02:57 PM
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I agree that at the top of the heap the heads are niether wedge nor hemi. Heck the only competitive and regularly winning Mopar I can think of is the Wedge -1 headed deal of Andy Mayes. He has now switched to a B1, I imagine if they thought they could win and make more power with a Hemi they would do it. In the ned there is not right answer to this question i am sure. It is one of those winter debates that goes on around here every year. We get off the wall statements from key board racers, opinions from those who have used both, opinions from professional engine builders and the question always goes unanswered. People prefer the engine type they prefer. I can only go on what I have tried. In the past two years I have ran two Hemis and two wedges and have formed my opinion. The weight of a Hemi piston and the cost of the valvetrain are enough to keep me in wedges for a good long time. FWIW there was more money in the 900hp Hemi I had than the 1041hp Wedge I now have.
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Re: Hemi Vs Wedge Debate
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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12/28/08 04:11 PM
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Physics don't change with time & I DID mention some n/a types of racing. I've run wedges & hemis too & while I agree,to a point, 21st century technology is different, given the parameters I mentioned, there's no easy way to beat a hemi. It's not just me talking --- engine builders like Sonny Leonard, John Kaase, Arias Pistons & a few others, all (& in some cases still) use & develop hemi heads where rules allow. The BEST example is IHRA P/S --- no matter what the brand, some derivitative of a hemi head is used
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Re: Hemi Vs Wedge Debate
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12/28/08 04:29 PM
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What it boils down to is shrouding of both valves, intake and exhaust. Both valves in the wedge combustion chamber have shrouding, restricting flow. They are shrouded by the chamber along with the cylinder itself when the valve's open. The Hemi chamber doesn't have this problem, they are getting the full use of their valves and ports with no shrouding. This is the reason they came out with the canted valve heads, to alleviate some of the shrouding of the wedge head design.
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Re: Hemi Vs Wedge Debate
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12/28/08 05:33 PM
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Kind of getting off track for a Hemi vs Wedge topic. Let's go back to pinion angles and 8-3/4 rearends.
8-3/4 =wedge 9-3/4= Hemi.
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Re: Hemi Vs Wedge Debate
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12/28/08 05:44 PM
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Kind of getting off track for a Hemi vs Wedge topic. Let's go back to pinion angles and 8-3/4 rearends.
i dont care who you are thats some funny chit right there
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Re: Hemi Vs Wedge Debate
[Re: 8secDart]
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12/28/08 07:43 PM
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As long as it is a Mopar I am ok with it. Just one question, how many all motor wedge cars that weigh 3320 or whatever SS/AH minimum is, have run 8.30's @ 157 with less than 440 inches? Not very many that I know of. They are either super light, have 500 plus inches,or have nitrous or forced induction.
'33 Plymouth 5 Window Coupe Blown Aluminum HEMI w/bolt ons (under construction)
'69 Chrysler 300 Convertible 375 HP 440
'71 Plymouth Duster 360 W/EFI (Wife's Ride)
'12 Ram MegaCab Dually 6.7 Cummins
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