Paint question
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02/22/15 05:20 PM
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I used rustoleum professional semi gloss black to paint one of my cars. sanded body with a mix of 120 and 220 grit. Did a little bondo work, sanded that down with 120 then 220 then 400. Painted 2 coats with roller then wetsand 400, 2 more coats then wetsand 600, then 2 final coats then wetsand 1000.
I used a cutting pad on a DA sander with Meguiars M101 cutting compound. This was my first attempt at any paint job and I had tons of sanding marks, swirls, but no bubbling or peeling or flaking. There is also some concave dimpling but it doesnt look like 'wrinkle' This is why I chose an aggressive compound before polishing.
My question is, between compounding, polishing, and waxing should I be doing more than just wiping the paint down with a microfiber pad? I feel like Im not fully removing the m101 with a dry cloth.. and dont want to start polishing with the m205 if residue from the m101 will mess it up in any way.
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Re: Paint question
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02/22/15 06:47 PM
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The "concave dimpling" you are describing sounds like silicone or oil under the paint & in the primer.
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Re: Paint question
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02/22/15 08:02 PM
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After watching a few vidoes and looking at pictures, Im pretty sure its not fisheyes. Ill have to take a picture and show. It's more like the look of that krylon 'hammered' paint, but the paint is completely smooth, so it's not hammered.... hard to explain. Its completely uniform on the whole car, looks intentional but I know it was caused by me somewhere along the line.
I was just trying to do the tremclad job with a roller brush. but since no tremclad here in states I used rustoleum professional semi gloss black, thinned with mineral spirits. It's a project car that I lost interest in and Im selling, but, the only way to get back the money was to paint it. I prepped really well, washed, dried, sanded the whole car, sanded the body work, cleaned with SPI waterborne wax and grease remover, then applied 2 coats, wet sanded then waterborne wax and grease remover, 2 coats wet sanded waterborn WAGR,, 2 coats wet sand Waterborne WAGR then used M101 cut compound.
I think maybe my wet sanding technique was poor or I didnt thin the paint enough? Ill post a picture.
I ended up using 50/50 Isopropyl alcohol and water and a microfiber cloth to wipe down the car after using the m101, now Im polishing with the M205. Still unsure if a dry wipedown is all thats needed before I wax, or if I need to use the 50/50 spray down again
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Re: Paint question
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02/22/15 08:57 PM
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1000 grit is going to leave more scratches than a buffer will take out. I wet sand by hand progressively up to 2000 grit then use a wet trizac up to 3000 grit on a DA sander before buffing. The dimples may be orange peel that wasn't cut all the way down smooth. I see that a lot.
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Re: Paint question
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02/22/15 09:27 PM
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Well it definitely needed wet sanding between coats, and the final wetsand left the paint very dull.. The compound was to get out as much scratches as possible, and the polish (Im halfway through) is really making it shine more.
The final coat was put on probably 2 weeks ago, or longer, would I still risk trapping solvents with a wax?
YES! Do not wax for at least 90 days or risk the consequences. Lets see a pic of the problem area.
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Re: Paint question
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02/23/15 11:16 PM
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This pic looks like the paint didn't 'lay out' completely. Considering it was rolled on not sprayed, I would guess that more than orange peel. Only way to fix that is to lay on more paint and color sand it smooth. Sorry this is probably not the answer you are looking for (another round of the whole process), but this also may allow you to get a nice smooth coat on that won't require cut and buff after.
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Re: Paint question
[Re: RodStRace]
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02/23/15 11:51 PM
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This pic looks like the paint didn't 'lay out' completely. Considering it was rolled on not sprayed, I would guess that more than orange peel. Only way to fix that is to lay on more paint and color sand it smooth. Sorry this is probably not the answer you are looking for (another round of the whole process), but this also may allow you to get a nice smooth coat on that won't require cut and buff after.
Constructive criticism and solutions are always welcome! I knew I did something wrong but couldn't figure out what.
Can you elaborate more on the fix? What is color sanding? Should I thin my paint more or less or not at all?
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Re: Paint question
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02/24/15 03:02 AM
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again, this is just a guess from the pics and description, but I'd suggest finding a spare, smooth surface chunk of metal. Extra fender, whatever... Thin the paint out a bit more than you have been and try rolling it on again without runs. It should flow out and dry smooth with the semi-gloss you are hoping for. Once you have figured out how to get the results desired, sand the car smooth, then apply your new talents. See, the thing is, flat, semi-gloss and eggshell are supposed to remain as applied, NOT cut and buffed after application. This is what is done to gloss paint. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxnnA7ntDUoDoing it to anything but gloss (like your semi-gloss) tends to ruin the intended top surface. I think that your sanding between coats didn't completely smooth the surface. A common thought is that the paint will flow out like water, leaving a flat smooth surface. Instead, it tends to fall like snow when spraying, following the surface. Rolling tends to be like a grader moving dirt, it leaves ridges and troughs. Using thinner will help this, allowing the paint to level out more before drying. Vertical areas and curves make this a delicate balancing act. I'd also say that the paint looks okay for a quick sale. Unless it's gotta be a nice custom job to get the money needed, having the car all one color, fairly smooth and shiny will be enough in most cases. Since you chose to to the $50 buck paint job method, I assume this would be close to acceptable.
Last edited by RodStRace; 02/24/15 03:07 AM.
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