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Re: Bang for Buck 440 Motor Mods Stockish 67 [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1756954
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as for fit, you can use a drop base and your stock lid. Paint the base black and roll. I had a CH4B 1/2" spacer and 625 Carter on my GTX w/ Stock assembly...well 2/3rds anyway. I ran a drop base, painted black. I Also ran the same set-up on a 67 Coronet w/ a Holley 750DP and it fit as well.




What drop base did you use that the lid . or at least the filter from that assembly and fit ???

You also must have ran a banjo fitting on the inlet of that carter , a stock factory line doesn't work with a drop base ...

It's real easy to say yes it can be done , what parts were actually used ???

Re: Bang for Buck 440 Motor Mods Stockish 67 [Re: JohnRR] #1756955
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Another note, the Carter 4327 will work fantastic with some tuning. EXPLOSIVE throttle response once it's dialed in. I did beat it with an 850 holley after I did quite a bit more to the motor but at your level the Carter is as much as you need.Dave

Re: Bang for Buck 440 Motor Mods Stockish 67 [Re: quickd100] #1756956
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Another note, the Carter 4327 will work fantastic with some tuning. EXPLOSIVE throttle response once it's dialed in. I did beat it with an 850 holley after I did quite a bit more to the motor but at your level the Carter is as much as you need.Dave




Great advice everyone. I am waiting for the smle. It wds warmer today so i bought the compression tester got sidetracked plastidippingmy broncobwheels. I did get my a/f meter mounted and wired right next to tach so when I cruise i can video both. Unfortunately i couldnt get the bung out that the prior owner pit in. I sprayed some PB blaster on it but no luck. Will apply daily. I dont have a torch and I doubt my heat gun will help. No worries because still salt and snow everywhere.
I am not sure about flipping the lid to the stock air cleaner? Will that work on my 67 dual snorkel?

Re: Bang for Buck 440 Motor Mods Stockish 67 [Re: p d'ro] #1756957
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YES, flip the lid but you may want to A/F meter in place to get the most out of it.Dave

Re: Bang for Buck 440 Motor Mods Stockish 67 [Re: quickd100] #1756958
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Flipping your lid may cause hood clearance issues so watch that on the first hood closing and make sure you allow for torque flex.


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Re: Bang for Buck 440 Motor Mods Stockish 67 [Re: mopar346] #1756959
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Provided you have the removable lid only and not one of the HUGE earlier dual snorkels where the lid is the whole top part of the air cleaner that runs all the way to the base.

Re: Bang for Buck 440 Motor Mods Stockish 67 [Re: gch] #1756960
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Provided you have the removable lid only and not one of the HUGE earlier dual snorkels where the lid is the whole top part of the air cleaner that runs all the way to the base.




Those are easy to fix air flow restriction just run the base off of a regular Magnum air cleaner.


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Re: Bang for Buck 440 Motor Mods Stockish 67 [Re: mopar346] #1756961
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Ok. I have the big dual snorkel..

Re: Bang for Buck 440 Motor Mods Stockish 67 [Re: gch] #1756962
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Provided you have the removable lid only and not one of the HUGE earlier dual snorkels where the lid is the whole top part of the air cleaner that runs all the way to the base.




In 67 the entire air cleaner top with snorkels is one piece, the base holds the filter and the lid seals to the base.

Re: Bang for Buck 440 Motor Mods Stockish 67 [Re: JohnRR] #1756963
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Provided you have the removable lid only and not one of the HUGE earlier dual snorkels where the lid is the whole top part of the air cleaner that runs all the way to the base.




In 67 the entire air cleaner top with snorkels is one piece, the base holds the filter and the lid seals to the base.



yeah. It shows how often I pull it off. Had it off yesterday and fired up car to try to get exhaust warm and loosen up the bung but no luck. Hopefully

a few more days of pb blaster will do the trick

Re: Bang for Buck 440 Motor Mods Stockish 67 [Re: p d'ro] #1756964
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Provided you have the removable lid only and not one of the HUGE earlier dual snorkels where the lid is the whole top part of the air cleaner that runs all the way to the base.




In 67 the entire air cleaner top with snorkels is one piece, the base holds the filter and the lid seals to the base.



yeah. It shows how often I pull it off. Had it off yesterday and fired up car to try to get exhaust warm and loosen up the bung but no luck. Hopefully

a few more days of pb blaster will do the trick




Get a torch and heat up the bung that the plug is screwed into otherwise you are just spinning your wheels .

Re: Bang for Buck 440 Motor Mods Stockish 67 [Re: JohnRR] #1756965
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as for fit, you can use a drop base and your stock lid. Paint the base black and roll. I had a CH4B 1/2" spacer and 625 Carter on my GTX w/ Stock assembly...well 2/3rds anyway. I ran a drop base, painted black. I Also ran the same set-up on a 67 Coronet w/ a Holley 750DP and it fit as well.




What drop base did you use that the lid . or at least the filter from that assembly and fit ???

You also must have ran a banjo fitting on the inlet of that carter , a stock factory line doesn't work with a drop base ...

It's real easy to say yes it can be done , what parts were actually used ???




The drop base was a summit piece. I might of had to buy the entire air cleaner. Keep in mind this was 10-12 years ago. As for the Holley I turned the fuel line backwards towards the fire wall. The fuel line ran up the back of the block, not the front. I believe with the Carter I bent up my own fuel line.

Re: Bang for Buck 440 Motor Mods Stockish 67 [Re: GTX MATT] #1756966
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Throw in a set of 3.91s or even 4.30s how often do you highway drive it? Now if it truly won't rev past 5K then toss that idea you got something wrong I had a comp 260 flat tappet that reved to 5800 and pulled till 5300 One question what is your total timing at get it up into the 40s and that engine may well wake up Lose the edel carb a good Holley 650-700 dbl pumper is worth at least .2 in the qtr

Re: Bang for Buck 440 Motor Mods Stockish 67 [Re: Paul_Fancsali] #1756967
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Throw in a set of 3.91s or even 4.30s how often do you highway drive it? Now if it truly won't rev past 5K then toss that idea you got something wrong I had a comp 260 flat tappet that reved to 5800 and pulled till 5300 One question what is your total timing at get it up into the 40s and that engine may well wake up Lose the edel carb a good Holley 650-700 dbl pumper is worth at least .2 in the qtr




Timing pings above 36. Curve set and did improve. i will check fuel pressure/flow. I don't do much highway driving so I am sure gears will be instant hit. After I verify compression I think heads, intake and carb are in order. Can I run a Holley 750 vac on a Eddy RPM? Want to stay low..

Re: Bang for Buck 440 Motor Mods Stockish 67 [Re: Paul_Fancsali] #1756968
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...a good Holley 650-700 dbl pumper is worth at least .2 in the qtr




I wouldn't run a DP on a car with a little gear and virtually no stall.

Pedro, your vacuum secondary Holley should bolt up fine not sure how low it will be.


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Re: Bang for Buck 440 Motor Mods Stockish 67 [Re: mopar346] #1756969
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...a good Holley 650-700 dbl pumper is worth at least .2 in the qtr




I wouldn't run a DP on a car with a little gear and virtually no stall.

Pedro, your vacuum secondary Holley should bolt up fine not sure how low it will be.




I had a 800 DP on my nearly stock 440, cast iron intake, 3.23 gear and factory converter. Ran great. In fact I've never removed the carb from the intake and will and have let others borrow it. Those that have used it feel the same and usually ask to buy it.

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...a good Holley 650-700 dbl pumper is worth at least .2 in the qtr




I wouldn't run a DP on a car with a little gear and virtually no stall.

Pedro, your vacuum secondary Holley should bolt up fine not sure how low it will be.




I had a 800 DP on my nearly stock 440, cast iron intake, 3.23 gear and factory converter. Ran great. In fact I've never removed the carb from the intake and will and have let others borrow it. Those that have used it feel the same and usually ask to buy it.




And you're welcome to do that, but I wouldn't. Generally you have to dail one back far enough to keep it from bogging or hesitating that you negate the advantage of a DP, where as with a vacuum secondary it will pull what it needs and generally perform better out of the hole and comparable on the big end.


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Re: Bang for Buck 440 Motor Mods Stockish 67 [Re: mopar346] #1756971
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...a good Holley 650-700 dbl pumper is worth at least .2 in the qtr




I wouldn't run a DP on a car with a little gear and virtually no stall.

Pedro, your vacuum secondary Holley should bolt up fine not sure how low it will be.




please. DP can be run on anything. I ran a 750HP on a mild 340 swinger w/ 2200 convert and 3.55's. It ran perrrrfectly. The 750 vac advance would work as well.

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...a good Holley 650-700 dbl pumper is worth at least .2 in the qtr




I wouldn't run a DP on a car with a little gear and virtually no stall.

Pedro, your vacuum secondary Holley should bolt up fine not sure how low it will be.




I had a 800 DP on my nearly stock 440, cast iron intake, 3.23 gear and factory converter. Ran great. In fact I've never removed the carb from the intake and will and have let others borrow it. Those that have used it feel the same and usually ask to buy it.




And you're welcome to do that, but I wouldn't. Generally you have to dail one back far enough to keep it from bogging or hesitating that you negate the advantage of a DP, where as with a vacuum secondary it will pull what it needs and generally perform better out of the hole and comparable on the big end.




Not sure what you mean by dial it back. It was a tire fryer at any speed below 30 mph. I don't think I changed a thing on it.

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[quoteIt was a tire fryer at any speed below 30 mph.




And there may lay the point of disagreement, I generally like my cars to stick and move forward rather than sitting and spinning.

Seriously though, I would not recommend it for a car with little gear and no stall, even in the example Jeff sited it was 3.55s and 2200 worth of stall. It doesn't mean mean it hasn't or cant be done. I've sprayed 200 shot on a stock 440 before but I would recommend it for anyone else to do.

In his case you already have a weak engine with probable/possible low compression. The last thing it needs is a douple shot of fuel at idle, it will fall on it's face.

Dail it back as in small jets, a lot of air gap between the bolt and accelerator pump level on the secondaries, changing the cam to limit the amount of squirt when you stump it from a stop, limiting the amount of pull/opening of the secondaries.


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