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More EFI Questions #1752973
02/12/15 02:37 PM
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Kiddart Offline OP
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I have been doing a bunch of research and reading when it comes to EFI systems. Its up to me to make my final decision.

Its down to two systems
Holly EFI
Fast EFI 2.0

they both have pros and cons but I really like the Fast only because of the e85 capability. I have read with fast you will need a different o2 and that is fine with me.

the holly requires a different fuel table and that really scares me if I botch it up on the initial setup. it scares me because I have never sat in front of a laptop and changed fuel curves, for some its very easy for others no so much.

what it all comes down to is me making my decision.

Now for the real question I have, and sorry for it being a stupid one.

If I run one of the two efi systems will I still need to run race fuel or a fuel of 100 plus octane, can the system learn a lesser octane and compensate without spark knock?

I only want to spend the money once. but I am getting very excited about efi the more research I do.

any and all comments are welcome, and if there is a different system out there that someone has used with real experience

Kiddart


Thank you
Kiddart
Re: More EFI Questions [Re: Kiddart] #1752974
02/12/15 04:27 PM
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EFI is great. And no it does NOT require you use fuel of higher octane than the engine needs with a carb. Now if you have a 13:1 engine EFI will not let it run on pump gas either. EFI is not magic it's just a diff way to fuel the engine. All of them will use the O2 sensor to keep the fuel mixture in an acceptable range while they autolearn....After it learns your engine, theres little need to make changes.


Take care,
Rick
68 Coronet R/T 440 & 68 Charger 528 Hemi,and 5 Challengers! 6 cyl, 318, 360, 383, 451
Re: More EFI Questions [Re: HemiRick] #1752975
02/12/15 04:49 PM
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when i first bought my holley hp i had buyers "remorse." that has changed. holley is very very customizable. buy the holley. that is all

Re: More EFI Questions [Re: Kiddart] #1752976
02/12/15 05:09 PM
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So your question is , will the efi system recognize using a higher octane on occasion & will the efi automatically adjust timing for the better fuel?

Re: More EFI Questions [Re: grancuda] #1752977
02/12/15 06:40 PM
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Quote:

So your question is , will the efi system recognize using a higher octane on occasion & will the efi automatically adjust timing for the better fuel?




Pretty sure the answer to that question is no BUT if it has a knock sensor provision it MIGHT be able to pull enough timing that it won't kill itself. Not a substitute for a proper tune.

You can however have one tune for E85 and another for race gas and just upload them from a laptop into the ECM whenever you change fuels IF, the injectors have enough capacity to handle the 30% increase that E85 will require OR can handle being trimmed 30% for gas.

As far as O2 sensors go, unless you are running leaded fuel, the sensor won't care. It senses oxygen, not fuel so you should only need the one.

Kevin

Re: More EFI Questions [Re: Twostick] #1752978
02/12/15 10:40 PM
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I'm going to go with Megasquirt 3 Pro - which supports everything you listed, but may be more in-depth than you'd like to go. It even supports OEM flex fuel sensors that can determine the ethanol level and blend the fuel tables.

I mostly chose to go that direction because the computer w/harness for a splashproof computer is $1200, which is significantly cheaper, and I can use my choice of sensors, which allows you to use combinations of quite accurate setups. Mine will have all GM sensors short of the Crank position sensor (Ford with 36-1 crank wheel - $51 worth of target and $11 worth of sensors), and a cut down 5.2/5.9 Magnum distributor for the cam sensor. All OE tested sensors and easy to find should they go bad.

I am also going coil-near-plug from an LSx GM engine mostly because they have great spark output, no worries about distributor caps or bouncy timing, and they are very, very cheap. It's just some extra wiring.


'70 Duster 470hp 340/T56 Magnum/8 3/4 3.23 Sure-Grip
Re: More EFI Questions [Re: goldduster318] #1752979
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A lot of people including myself are going the ms3 route. If you don't mind a little learning curve these ecus can do miles of things beyond the average for a very small price tag in comparison

Re: More EFI Questions [Re: Kiddart] #1752980
02/12/15 11:18 PM
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I just received my FAST XFI 2.0 with the data logger, but not the traction control. It comes with the wide band O2 sensor. Still waiting for the harness. I was originally thinking of adapting my Edelbrock XT harness, but decided to leave it alone so I can use the XT EFI o something else down the road.
It is pretty pricy at $1846.03 + 364.27 for the main harness, and another 127.37 for the injector harness. Plus I opted for the dual sync dist for another $393.92. I'm not sure if I still need the fuel pump and fan harness which is another 69.60?

Re: More EFI Questions [Re: goldduster318] #1752981
02/12/15 11:28 PM
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Quote:

the Mine will have all GM sensors short of the Crank position sensor (Ford with 36-1 crank wheel - $51 worth of target and $11 worth of sensors), and a cut down 5.2/5.9 Magnum distributor for the cam sensor. All OE tested sensors and easy to find should they go bad.

I am also going coil-near-plug from an LSx GM engine mostly because they have great spark output, no worries about distributor caps or bouncy timing, and they are very, very cheap. It's just some extra wiring.




Which 36-1 and sensor did you decide on and how are you going to get it on the motor?

Plaz

Re: More EFI Questions [Re: plazomat] #1752982
02/13/15 12:09 AM
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Quote:

Which 36-1 and sensor did you decide on and how are you going to get it on the motor?

Plaz





This is the target that I bought from Miller's Mule http://www.millersmule.com/MillersMuleStore/en/trigger-wheels/41-36-1-trigger-wheel.html

It's 6" Diameter and has a 4.3" hole in it to fit right up to the flare on the 1970 Non-A/C w/PS crank pulley pictured. I will be using a Ford 3.0 Vulcan VR crank sensor (which uses a Bosch EV1 fuel injector connector), and has two bolts and mount on a flat plane. 2004 Ranger 3.0 Application. Going to make a bracket either coming off the triangular bracket for the power streering that doesn't move or one of the passenger side pan rail. Shouldn't be to difficult.


'70 Duster 470hp 340/T56 Magnum/8 3/4 3.23 Sure-Grip
Re: More EFI Questions [Re: Kiddart] #1752983
02/13/15 04:17 PM
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Quote:


If I run one of the two efi systems will I still need to run race fuel or a fuel of 100 plus octane, can the system learn a lesser octane and compensate without spark knock?




Quick answer - They self-tune only the fuel table, spark timing is up to you and that's what higher octane is for. The target A/F table is simple to set, and that would not change if you decide to run race fuel.

If you did want to run with a different spark curve, because the higher octane would allow it, then you can do that with a slightly more powerful system such as the FAST Sportsman, which allows you to have as many as 4 different programs and switch between them. A lot more than just spark can be changed since each program is an entirely different program. But they all self-learn if you want.

I ran Methanol on the strip and switched to pump gas on the street.







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