Re: FAST XFI 2.0?
[Re: 451Mopar]
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01/31/15 11:50 PM
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goldduster318
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You may want to look into Megasquirt 3 with the MSX expansion, or the Megasquirt 3 pro as well. Functions are similar, but the megasquirt allows you to use whatever sensors you want (including flex fuel sensors from factory vehicles)
The tunerstudio also has a self-tune function to go with information from the wideband of your choice. I'm building my own system with Megasquirt 3 Pro for my 340. Sequental Fuel/Spark, and coil near plug. Won't be too difficult.
'70 Duster 470hp 340/T56 Magnum/8 3/4 3.23 Sure-Grip
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Re: FAST XFI 2.0?
[Re: 451Mopar]
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02/01/15 02:57 AM
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I am also doing Megasquirt. I put together the MSII from kit form. I am going to install it in three stages.
I am doing the first stage now where I will gather and log data from the Edelbrock 1406 carb. I already installed a wide band O2 sensor from Innovate and watching fuel ratios now with no logging. This week I will be installing a new coolant sensor and running a vacuum signal to the megasquirt. I will also tie into the ignition for tach input to the MS. Then I can log a baseline of how the engine is acting and how far off my mixtures are. Without logging. I can see on the Innovate my mixtures are all over the place running around 14.1 on idle which is about right. But WOT and cruising are both running real rich.
Second step is to let the Megasquirt take over timing.
Third step will move to fuel injection with closed loop control.
To me, doing it in three steps makes sense to keep troubleshooting to a minimum if something goes wrong.
I already set the MS up for Bluetooth so I can log with either my Droid Bionic or my Toshiba tablet.
MS will handle any input or output you can think of including fan control, A/C compressor cut out at higher throttle positions, etc.
Craig
2014 Ram 1500 Laramie, 73 Cuda
Previous mopars: 62 Valiant, 65 Fury III, 68 Fury III, 72 Satellite, 74 Satellite, 89 Acclaim, 98 Caravan, 2003 Durango
Only previous Non-Mopar: Schwinn Tornado
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Re: FAST XFI 2.0?
[Re: 451Mopar]
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02/01/15 11:05 AM
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goldduster318
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The Megasquirt 3 sounds nice for $1,200? Does that include the MS3X expansion for sequential injection?
The XFI 2.0 is around $1,900 and includes the wideband O2 sensor.
Yes, the pro version has all the features, but you buy your own wideband setup. An Innovate Motorsports LC-1 (I have already had one for years) is $220.
There is also the more DIY type MS3/MSX which is about $800 assembled with cables. Or you can get the solder together kit and do it all yourself for less, but it's a pain.
I'm personally not that sure on what the XFI supports but I'm almost positive you can just replace your edelbrock ECU directly with the MS3 and then change/upgrade whenever you want. The hot sensor package for an MS3 would be a 36-1 crank trigger wheel (adapted onto the crank pulley, and a jeep cam sensor in place of the distributor for a big block, or a magnum distributor housing for a small block).
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=i4ivh5404ogloondo24echope6&topic=99432.0
That's a good read. He used the DIY type megasquirt box, and a similar setup to what I'm going for.
'70 Duster 470hp 340/T56 Magnum/8 3/4 3.23 Sure-Grip
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Re: FAST XFI 2.0?
[Re: 451Mopar]
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02/01/15 04:20 PM
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goldduster318
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That's probably a good question to ask for the guys at diyautotune.com . The MS3 Pro board is a factory made only so I'm sure that one is coated.
From what I remember reading, the FAST Dual Sync distributor doesn't give that much resolution. They cover the trigger wheel information for sequential pretty well in their manual. The 36-1 setup with the half-moon in the distributor location works well because it's basically identical to the Ford OEM setup - and not to different from the GM and Chrysler ones.
Depending on the wheel in the Edelbrock/Unilite distributor is, it may work too. You may only be able to get batch fire mode though, which is OK too.
'70 Duster 470hp 340/T56 Magnum/8 3/4 3.23 Sure-Grip
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Re: FAST XFI 2.0?
[Re: 451Mopar]
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02/02/15 02:24 AM
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denfireguy
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I already have the Innovate MTX-L O2 gauge which has the output for the Edelbrock XT.
The Edelbrock kit uses a special Unilite distributor with a modified shutter wheel.
FAST has a dual sync distributor that should work with the megasquirt?
I'm not sure why Megasquirt still sells the kit where you have to assemble it? Most people don't have the equipment and skills. At the minimum, you would need an ESD mat, wristband, and a good solder station. Then you need to clean the flux off the circuit board. Then the card should be tested. They sell a test kit, but that just adds to the cost.
I'm not sure if the assembled boards are conformal coated, but it would be a good idea.
I would like to know how the units are tested before being shipped?
I just built mine with no anti static mat, wrist strap or anything like that. I do regular work with CMOS chips and if you are careful, not work with static generators like nylon socks or in a carpeted room on varnished wooden stools or thing like that you are pretty unlikely to have a problem. The only device to worry about is the CPU. All the rest of the ICs are bipolar devices. For the CPU (in the newer versions it is actually a surface mount module with the CPU and outboard devices mounted on it) I ground myself with one hand while opening the packaging with the other. Once the module is seated and connecting electronics has been constructed, it is pretty safe from accidental destruction. If it were all that dangerous, having it anywhere near a spark system in a car would be lethal to it.
I am also using the MTX gauge and it wires right into the Megasquirt. There are instructions on how to hook it up as a wideband source.
As for the MSIII, it has many more inputs and outputs. It is a MSII with a different card plugged into the motherboard CPU socket. It has a I/O header to drive more outputs and receive more inputs.
As for the Fast distributer, I really have no information on it. I plan on using the much maligned Lean Burn distributor that has no advance mechanisms at all. Megasquirt will work on any Hall effect or reluctor type triggering systems. It will even work on good old points. It will also interface with MSD and Mallory capacitive discharge systems such as the 6AL. There is extensive information on using GM HEI modules on your regular coil for a hotter spark.
I have been running modified ignition systems since my first car fifty years ago.
Craig
2014 Ram 1500 Laramie, 73 Cuda
Previous mopars: 62 Valiant, 65 Fury III, 68 Fury III, 72 Satellite, 74 Satellite, 89 Acclaim, 98 Caravan, 2003 Durango
Only previous Non-Mopar: Schwinn Tornado
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Re: FAST XFI 2.0?
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I haven't looked at the cost difference between the kit form and assembled? I just thought it won't be worth the hassle?
My background is test engineering in both electrical and software testing (military and aerospace), and I have done a lot of environmental testing (thermal, vac, vibe, and other), so I'm really cautious when it comes to assembly procedures, and engineering for harsh environments.
I used to be certified for soldering at Lockheed, but the cert expired, and I doubt I could pass the eye test.
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Re: FAST XFI 2.0?
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02/02/15 04:16 AM
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In my 408 stroker I considered going Megasquirt and if you are a good junkyard scrounger I am sure you could set it up for a reasonable price. But you would have to commit to learning how to tune EFI and when I worked out all the numbers the price difference was not worth going it on my own.
Fast seems to have good product support and warranty.
I like the 2.0 Throttle body setup on an older engine but you might also want o look at the EFI Sportsman which has the ability to drive the throttle body, self learning, plus laptop programming ability if you decide you want to fine tune it.
Scott
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Re: FAST XFI 2.0?
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02/02/15 05:17 AM
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In my 408 stroker I considered going Megasquirt and if you are a good junkyard scrounger I am sure you could set it up for a reasonable price. But you would have to commit to learning how to tune EFI and when I worked out all the numbers the price difference was not worth going it on my own.
Fast seems to have good product support and warranty.
I like the 2.0 Throttle body setup on an older engine but you might also want o look at the EFI Sportsman which has the ability to drive the throttle body, self learning, plus laptop programming ability if you decide you want to fine tune it.
I already have the Edelbrock Pro-Flo XT EFI. I am just looking to upgrade the control unit to something better. I already have "add-on" boxes for the wide band O2 and controlling the cooling fans, but it would be nice if these functions were already built into the ECU, along with inputs for idle compensation when the A/C compressor comes on. I think either the MS3 or XFI 2.0 will work fine for what I am looking for. They both have data logging, and the additional inputs and outputs I'm looking for.
Has anyone used both brands? How is the software interface and ease of use?
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Re: FAST XFI 2.0?
[Re: 451Mopar]
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02/02/15 12:21 PM
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I haven't looked at the cost difference between the kit form and assembled? I just thought it won't be worth the hassle?
My background is test engineering in both electrical and software testing (military and aerospace), and I have done a lot of environmental testing (thermal, vac, vibe, and other), so I'm really cautious when it comes to assembly procedures, and engineering for harsh environments.
I used to be certified for soldering at Lockheed, but the cert expired, and I doubt I could pass the eye test.
I am a technician and we never listen to engineers. lol. Just kidding
Craig
2014 Ram 1500 Laramie, 73 Cuda
Previous mopars: 62 Valiant, 65 Fury III, 68 Fury III, 72 Satellite, 74 Satellite, 89 Acclaim, 98 Caravan, 2003 Durango
Only previous Non-Mopar: Schwinn Tornado
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Re: FAST XFI 2.0?
[Re: 451Mopar]
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02/20/15 01:51 PM
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I got the FAST XFI 2.0 computer, Dual sync dist, wire harness(s), and ordered a flex fuel sensor.
The instructions are pretty vague about the flex fuel sensor, but I found some info on a few EFI boards.
The flex-fuel signal goes to pin A6 with the signal ground on pin A13. The FAST harness 30-1403 plugs into the aux shaft connector and makes things easier.
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Re: FAST XFI 2.0?
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02/20/15 02:13 PM
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I have the fast xfi 2.0 It has Lots of functionality. Have not used any other system to compare. Good tuning will be the key in any system. Have fun 
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