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acetone in da gas????? #17225
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has anybody really had any luck with acetone in their gas? as fast as the stuff evaporates you would be lucky to get it into yer tank on a hot day.theory sounds good behind it, better combustion is what we all strive for. but i need to have someone or many someone's say that it really does make a difference. oh yeah wouldent it be nice to get better mileage with an additive that cheap.

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not here.

But a few years go I read about some deal that uses platinum as a catalyst to combustion to increase fuel mileage. Never heard about it since.

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I use Ethos FR and it seems to help in many ways, most notibly fuel economy and less pollutants. I stumbled across it when trying to get my Dakota through DEQ a few years back. It worked for that slick as snot. http://www.ethosnw.com/


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I tried it a few months ago in my daily driver, a 2003 Nissan Maxima. Did not make any difference at all.

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Acetone while being very volital (sp) it also evaporates very quickly. IMO if it is going to help it would have to be used very soon or it would be gone.


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Yep

tried it in the 77 lean burn 2-3 mpg better. I'm thiking it cools the fuel charge going thru the venturis on the carb. also pulls out water in the fuel. Haven't tried it in my FI honda but i,m going too.

I use the 1 oz per 10 gallons. I add 1 oz to a gallon jug then dump it into the tank and add the other 9 gallons. Dumping straight i'd agree it evaporate before it his the bottom of the neck.

google it its all over the net.


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I've only heard it touted as raising octane. I don't think there's much arguing that-it's pretty much proven fact as far as I know. I used it in the late 90's in a turbo buick I had. I stopped because it was kinda expensive.


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There were a couple of things in the article which I don't agree with. The author states that a 4 cyl. engine has more time to burn the fuel/air mix than a 6 or 8 cyl engine because it has fewer cylinders.The fuel/air is going to burn at the same rate regardless of the number of cylinders.That cylinder doing the burning doesn't know how many others are connected to the crankshaft be it 1 or 7.He also says that the acetone molecules -physically- shake up the gasoline molecules.They may chemically vaporize them or aid in combustion in some way,but physically shake them?I'd like to see some more hard,independant test info before totally buying into the theory.Remember the old saying"If it sounds too good to be true,it probably is".

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I've only heard it touted as raising octane. I don't think there's much arguing that-it's pretty much proven fact as far as I know. I used it in the late 90's in a turbo buick I had. I stopped because it was kinda expensive.




At 1 oz per 10 gallons it'll do nothing for raising octane, maybe at 1 gallon per tankful though.

The only possible way acetone could improve mileage is if you had a dirty fuel system and it helped clean it out. I tried it in my daily driver and it did nothing. In fact other than the rather ill informed website posted and it's adherents there appears to be no reputable support for this idea. Hmm, that prior sentance implies the website and it's adherents are reputable, I did not imply that in case anyone is wondering.

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I'm using it in my ramcharger, 318 TBI. I have only used 20 gals of fuel so far. But it has smoothed the idle and running of the motor. The xhaust smells much better also. I think Some of the people use to much or not enuff. I use 2 oz per 10 gals. of gas. On yahoo search I found some articles stating it helps for a more complete burn of the fuel. Does it, who knows. On RCC, some guy's have used it for a while have seen noticeable improvements.

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I finally tried it at 2oz per 10 gal. of gas in my 94 4.0L Ford Explorer. Within 10 minutes of running it, the idle smoothed out, and I began to notice that the motor had more power taking off from a stop. Also, the habitual ping that the motor had when accelerating under load went away completely. I've noticed some better gas mileage, but I haven't determined the amount of increase yet. Overall, it has definitely helped the 100K motor run better though, that is for sure.

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Yes Acetone and Xylene will both increase octane, cool the mixture and increase efficiency the burn by streaching out the carbon links to the hydrocarbons and allow more inflitration of the Oxygen, if you really want add 1-25 OXYGEN GAS ALSO AND IT WILL BRING THE AEDIBATIC HEAT OF COMBUSTION WAY UP AND THEREFORE MORE POWER PER GIVEN VOLUME OF INTKE CHARGE. ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL. 10% ALCOHOL AND 5% ACETONE AND 5% XYLENE MAKES A NICE BREW YOU CAN BUBBLE XYLENE THROUGH GLYCRINE AND NITRIC ACID AND BREW YOUR OWN LOW END NITROMETHANE AND MIX 10% with the gas.
acetone, alcohol , xylene and nitric acid and glycerine all cost way more than plain hightest so the gains would be a wash out cost wise and also try to avoid blowing yourself up.
ive been bubbling octane through Hudrogen gas and forming a solid tri hydrogen octane solid which will give off gas when inmmersen in hydrogen peroxide and provide the free oxygen to burn the Hydrogen, but I dont recommend you kids try this at home . it releases power beyond what a compressed CNG cylinder can hold (boom)

but does rrun a lawnmowner on water and peroxide from the drug store.

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We have about 11 million gallons of Naptha at work right now so I decided to take a sample. I added 2 gallons to a tank full of gas and my car got a little over 6 miles more per gallon. I have a digital gauge that calculates the mileage for me so its real easy. I didnt notice the car running any better or worse, just an increase in the mileage. I dont know what kind of long term effect it would have on the engine but I would imagine it would tend to run a little lean. Not to mention, Naptha smells like a turd.

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I just picked up a bottle of acetone at CVS so we'll see.

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Doesn't acetone eat rubber components in the fuel system?

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Don't know about that but it sure will dry hands and burn if you get it in your eyes!

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ive used acetone in my 5.2L FI dakota before and it has the computer reprogram for hot tuning with regular gas. I was adding 3 oz acetone per 10 gallonsof regular gas and it sure sounded better and idles smoother and felt like rfeal good premium gas. and th e gas milage was indeed a fiar spot better. id say it works. and i got a 16 oz bottle for 5 bucks, id say that prolly makes up for the difference between regula;r and premium and crappy or better mileage after its all used.

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I use Toluene. It's 116 octane. $2.10 a gallon when purchased in 55 gal. drum & delivered to my house. I put 16 oz. per gallon in my 69 Superbee 383 thats 10 1/2 to 1 compression. Raises the octane of Sunoco 94 two points & it's enough to take away all pinging , better idle (solid lifter comp. cams 284 duration .495 lift), better throttle response.

As for attacking rubber parts I've not had any problem in 3 years & I leave it in my Bee all winter. May be a good idea to run it near empty b4 you store it for winter & tank up with just plain old gas.

Also Indy cars run on 80% toluene & 20% Heptane.
The Heptane is just used as a filler. It has no ocatne value.

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Yes Acetone and Xylene will both increase octane, cool the mixture and increase efficiency the burn by streaching out the carbon links to the hydrocarbons and allow more inflitration of the Oxygen, if you really want add 1-25 OXYGEN GAS ALSO AND IT WILL BRING THE AEDIBATIC HEAT OF COMBUSTION WAY UP AND THEREFORE MORE POWER PER GIVEN VOLUME OF INTKE CHARGE. ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL. 10% ALCOHOL AND 5% ACETONE AND 5% XYLENE MAKES A NICE BREW YOU CAN BUBBLE XYLENE THROUGH GLYCRINE AND NITRIC ACID AND BREW YOUR OWN LOW END NITROMETHANE AND MIX 10% with the gas.
acetone, alcohol , xylene and nitric acid and glycerine all cost way more than plain hightest so the gains would be a wash out cost wise and also try to avoid blowing yourself up.
ive been bubbling octane through Hudrogen gas and forming a solid tri hydrogen octane solid which will give off gas when inmmersen in hydrogen peroxide and provide the free oxygen to burn the Hydrogen, but I dont recommend you kids try this at home . it releases power beyond what a compressed CNG cylinder can hold (boom)

but does rrun a lawnmowner on water and peroxide from the drug store.




Hemi greg am I right to assume that acetone does not bring any addtional oxygen to the fuel mix other than what it burns itself? Been about 10 years since I had a chem class so try not to go over my head to bad.


There was artcile and test in Sport Comapct car 2 months ago on tolulene and yes it did raise octane about 3 points and was cost effective. I ll try and find it its not on the website I dont think.


EDIT: I have been a 10% Isopronal alcohol pro since I was 16.



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I used to use Acetone to start my race car. It was always hard starting until I used it! I worked at Essex wire and we used acetone and toluene for cleaning the painting wheels on wire dye and stripe machines. I dropped a wheel in the vat once and it splashed in my eyes. I was in the hospital for a couple of days after that! Acetone is what is used to up the octane in all fuels!


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ACETONE AND TOLUNE BOTH ADD OCTANE TO THE MIX WELL ACTUALLY DANGLING BONDS OF CARBON ON THE CHAIN OF HYDROGEN. THEY DONT ADD OXYGEN AND ARE BOTH FAIRLY OK WITH NO MORE THAN 20% IN GASOLINE WITHOUT DISOLVING PLASTICS.
i ADD 20% ACETONE AND ANOTHER 10% METHONAL.
BUT NOW THE GAS PUMPS ALRTEADY HAVE 10% ALCOHOL ADDED SO LIMIT YOUR METHONAL ADDITION 25% AND IT RUNS ROUGH CAUSE YOU NEED BIGGER CARB JETS FOR ALCOHOL BUT 10-15% ACETONE OR TOLUNE IS FINE AND SHOULD GIVE YOU MORE POWER AND LESS PING.
XYLENE ALSO IS GREAT , BUY IT AT HOME DEPO BUT DONT BREATH OR GET ON SKIN-CARCIGOEN FROM LONG TERM USE. NOT TO BE AFRAID, OCCASIONAL POURING WONT KILL YA UNLESS YOU SNORT IT TO GET HIGH.
A LITTLE LIGHT OIL IS ALSO GOOD 2% LIKE TRANNY FLUID AS A TOP CYL LUBE SINCE SOLVENTS WASH DOWN OIL FILM REAL QUICK.
CHEMICALS ARE FUN FUN FUN

PS ADD A LITTLE PURE OXYGEN FROM A 40 CUFT CYL MOUNTED IN TRUNK REGULATE TO 5 PSI AND IT WILL RUN LIKE YOUR AT 200- FT BELOW SEA LEVEL CAUSE LOW RACE TRACKS HAVE MORE DENSE AIR TO OXYGEN CONCENTRATION 19-21 % SO KEEP IT AT 22% OF TOTAL AIR FLOW ANY MORE AND IT WILL LEAN OUT INJECT IT AT THE CARB VENTURIES WITH AN ORIFACE.
i DID IT SEVERAL TIMES ON dEMOLITION CARS AND RAN ACETYLENNE AND OXYGEN 50/50 MIX ,IT WAS AN ANIMAL TILL IT MELTED THE PISTONS, I JUST SHOVED THE WELDING TIP INTO AN INTAKE VACUUM LINE AND CRANKED UP THE GAS TILL THE IDLE WENT CRAZY HIGH.

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RAN ACETYLENNE AND OXYGEN 50/50 MIX ,IT WAS AN ANIMAL TILL IT MELTED THE PISTONS, I JUST SHOVED THE WELDING TIP INTO AN INTAKE VACUUM LINE AND CRANKED UP THE GAS....




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Sounds like this guy has answers for everything! The political implications of bad mileage etc. Is real. Is there a web page with prototype "Fogerators" on it?

Has anyone priced acetone?

My cousin runs premium in his Dodge truck because he gets better mileage over regular. He claims it negates the extra cost of buying premium.

And if cold air is bad for combustion, and warm air is better then why put a ram air set-up on a racecar?


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All theses solvents are cracked from crude, so their price should follow the market.




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COLD AIR IS CAPABLE OF HOLDING A DENSER OXYGEN CHARGE 21% VS 19 % ON A HOT HUMID DAY
POWER IS DERIVED FROM TEMPATURE AND PRESSURE DIFFERENTIOAL.
THE LOVER THE TRACK YOU RUN AT THE BETTER THE AIR YOU GET INTO YOUR MIXTURE. 1% OXYGEN MEANS A HECK ALOT OF POWER.
WE HUMANS LIVE ON 19-21.5 % AND ON HOT DAYS WHEN IT DROPS TO 19% YOU FEEL WEAK AND EXHAUSTED.
ALMOST ALL SOLVENTS COME FROM CRACKING PETEROLEUM FOR OIL AND GAS AND THEY BURN MOST OF IT OFF ON THE TOWERS YOU SEE IN REFIRENERIES.
ACETONE IS WHAT IS ADDED TO MAKE RACE GAS HIGH OCTAND AND PING RESISTANT, AND METHANOL IS ADDED TO TO COOL THE MIXTURE, RUN A TEST WITH A HYGROMETER AND SEE WHAT FLOATS AND ADJUST YOUR JETS FOR MAXIUM COMBUSTION. LIKE THE FUNNNY CARS DO
YOU CAN ALSO USE A OPTICAL PUROMETER TO OPTIMIZE YOUT FLAME FROMNT TRAVEL LIKE YOU DO ON AN OIL BURNER. REMEMBERAaCETYLENNE GAS IS REALLY ACETONE DISOLVED IN FOAM AND PROVIDES 4000 DEGREES OF HEAT WITH A 10% PERCENT OXYGEN.
DID YOU EVER SHOOT A ARMOR PIERCING BULLETT AT A FULL b CYLINDER OF HYDROGEN FROM 1000 FT AND SEE THE POWER REALEASED.
GASOLINE IS ONE OF THE LEAST VOLITILE BTU CONTAINING FLUIDS AND IS A WASTE OF TIME USING AS A MOTOR FUEL.
i VOTE FOR HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN MIXED IN THE CYLINDER AND YOU WILL GET 1000 TIMES THE POWER TO EWIGHT RATIO.
(SEE SPACE SHUTTLE IT DOESENT USE GASOLINE DOES IT?????)

THINK WHITE PHOSPHOROUS MIXEX WITH VERY FINE 99.9999.ALUMINIUL AND MAGNESIUM AS A SOLID FUEL IN A SODIUM METAL CASE. 2 GRAMS OF THE STUFF WILL TAKE DOWN A HOUSE SO IMAGINE WHEN DIRECTED INTO A CHAMBER AND NOZZLE AND POINTED DOWN 1320FT??????
iLL DRIVE. THE REACTION IS CALLED DEFLGRATING WHICH MEANS MOVES FASTER THAN 1200 FT/SEC CAN YOU IMAGINE A 1.2 SECONG QUARTER MILE????????????????? COOL

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Anybody have any mileage tests to report on? Brand of gas which worked best?Out of all the internet postings I have read on the subject,there were scoffers and believers but not one horror story anywhere about catastrophic fuel system/engine damage.I bought a pint of the 100% pure stuff from Walgreens, and will try it in the 95 Stratus.I had about 10 gallons in the tank,so i went ahead and added 2 ounces to it.Been working it through the fuel system this week but not paying any attention to m.p.g.I will top the tank off before driving to work next week and add more acetone to see if it helps.May have to try different brands of gas too to see which it likes best.

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'If' acetone is in fact an otane inhenser as stated above it will in effect slow the burn rate of the gas is what octane does. which in turn will require the timing to be advanced to get a complete burn of the fuel charge.

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well i tried the assatone. heres the story so far. my exhaust smells much better when idleing. can't get my nose back there while driving tho.? i run as lean as i can. i dont have any black smoke that i can see when revving the engine in the driveway or on a full throttle run. but with the acetone in da gas i get black smoke when revving the engine. so it must effect the octane or slow down the burn. no assatone no dark smoke. cant say i got more power from it. engine starts just the same as before. gotta keep em fine tuned with lots of tlc. that is what makes em run. snake oil cures just dont seem to do anything. at least i don't stink as much when i'm idle--ing. anyone else have some concrete info about the acetone?(this has been my longest thread) everybody keeps coming back for more. acetone is strange stuff.

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yes Acetone and tolune and xylene smell sweet especially xylene at 20% and you can advance the timing as i do with my MSD timing control on the dash by 20 degrees and it wakes up the power.
I have run 100% acetone and Xylene and a quart of tranny fluid for lube when out of gas and timing was like 40 something degrees WOW.
but it did smoke a bit and a cop pulled me over and said you burning candy in that thing???? HAHA
I had a stint where I had to didpose of 300 gallons of Xylene and 200 gallons of Methonal and 60 of acetylene so I went nutzo running this stuff for a year emissions- whats that on a 25 year old car.
I had one guy run my 88 lincoln with 20% xylene and 20 % methanol and the rest gas and he could not get the unit to read, cause its not calibrated for such high %% loads. I laughed and told him its running on water and dumped a poland spring bottle of IPA (methnoal and acetone into the tank) and his eyes opened wide like WOW, do you have a patent on this , I said yes its a special Carb with solid hydrogeh taken from old lithium hudride batteries from cell phones and laptops. and he believed me..

then I procedded to do a station long burnout with my front wheels 2.2 plymouth with a injector above each front wheel spraying a tranny oil and alcohol mix., the tranny oil makes for nice smoke show. button is built into the shifter handel labeled power boost.

HA HA fun fun
go ace tone I swear by it. buy it in bulk from paint supply in 5 gal cans it will help starting as its more ignitable at low temp than gasoline
dont bother with the gasline antifreeze its junk like 10% water and all the waste solvent from the refirnieries.
ps you can run a car on Barcardi 151 when stranded
ask me how i know. problem is how much for the car and how much for the driver

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So let me get this right I can get some Acetone and put in my gas tank and WAALAA!!! RACEGAS!!!
I can get TONS of acetone we use it everyday at work but I want to know if I was to pull up in my 89 buick regal with the fuel injected 6 it will run fine??? AND could give me more power???

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I have just put 4oz. of acetone into the tank of my 2000 300M. Before, I was getting a consistent 24.3 mpg average according to the factory trip computer, which is pretty darn accurate as found after 110,000 mi. of checking it.
I feel that 24.3 mpg is'nt bad for a nearly 4,00lb vehicle. The only things installed so far was the use of Mobil 1 and a fresh set of plugs. Since i had already started to track mileage and conserve fuel, It will be interesting to see what changes acetone will make as i have'nt seen anyone report any real problems with o2 sensors etc. I bought a quart at Wall Mart for less than 5 bucks which comes out to .15 cents per ounce. I'll let everyone know the good the bad and the ugly

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What would that be per. Gallon $

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While it would have been cheaper to buy a gallon at $11.97, if it did'nt work i would'nt have any use for the rest. That IS what you were really asking, was'nt it ??

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I had a lawnmower years ago that a neighbor friend gave to me ( I was REALLY poor back then) and it was always hard to start. I had some EVERCLEAR left over
from a party a year before in my shed. I'd pour a bit down the carb and it would fire right up. Finally, it didn't want to start one day so,I got PO'd and dumped about 1/2 a fifth of the stuff in the tank and some in the carb. I thought the blade was going to fly off!! It literally was THROWING the grass about 2 feet out the side discharge! IT NEVER RAN AGAIN ....
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you guys are running too little acetone use about a quart per tank I use a 2 liter bottle worth into 20 gallons of gas. and yes it does expand the gasoline molecules and allow bettter oxygen infilitration therefore a better burn.
Im a mad scientist, chemist,electro mechnical engineer and have a masters at all this as well as 20 years of being in unrestrained R&D for the worlds biggest electronics company and also own 8 international patents and have taken part in 23 more so im not just guessing im basing on quantitive facts.
we also run all sorts of crazy gasses, reactors, sub micron x ray technology, laser diodes and I regulary have to go into a level A Hazmat suit to sort out someones mess if you know what Hazmat is.
and yes platnium helps gasoline and oxygen separate better thats why its used in cataclytic converters but too expensive to use as a MPG increaser.
in fact im driving home tonight 20 miles on pure acetone with 10% Xylene for the sweet smell so there. 88 lincoln with full cats.
why do you thing alcohol cars run 14:1 and 15:1 comp ratios for their ability to compress and not diesel under the aedibatic heat of compression .but when you add the spark wow
im mixing up some hydrogen peroxide and methanol with glacial nitric acid for fun tomorrow. if it doesnt blow the heads off the car.
hydrogen = Boom
Peroxide= oxygen more boom
Methanol= Spark ignited boom
Nitric Glacial compound= Nitro methane=Boom Boom

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OK how much should i add to a diesel?

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I dont think diesel will benefit from its anti ping qualities other than keeping the system nice and clean try a couple ounces.
I know many guys that add kerosene to diesel for the winter to keep things flowing better but at 18:1 and more the ace tone will become self ignited so keep it to a minimum just for cleaning out the injectors
may be this week Ill add 1/2 gal to a friends diesel beater truck and see what happens
he already dumps waste motor oil mixed with 10% gasoline into it and it runs ok

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Hemigreg--I believe everything you say because I know Nothing about fuels .Sad because I am a auto tech.I see you're running your fuel concoctions in an 88 Lincoln ,If it does blow the heads off you can buy another car for 1000 bucks Not sure I would give all the advice to normal folks to run these in there 6 yr financed late model vehicles to get better gas mileage and power.Blowing the heads off under warranty would be a problem and somebody would figure out what happened.

However ,since I am adventuristic what is the bottom line in plain english -2 liters per 20 gals?

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well last night i was on the low fuel light which means about 2 gals of gasoline so I added 3 gallons of acetone and 1 gallon of methanol. and wow. IT WAS LIKE A BIGBLOCK!!!
THE THROTTLE RESPONSE WAS DANGEROUSLY GOOD
I only recomend small amounts on newer cars like 5% or one quart per tank ful for a little more perky response, the O2 sensor will adjust the enrichment as per the correct ratio so no probs there only on carbrated cars you need bigger jets for 20% or more.
but wow it was fun. even blew out a tire doing burnouts at work and pushing a loaded 40 yard dumpster 300 ft.
and my 88 lincoln was 200 bucks not 1000.
you can get them all day at the dealer auctions cheap.
but i also runity in my 2.2 4 cyl with no probs it runs cooler also about 10 degrees on the head tempature by thermocouple, i dont trust water temp gauges.
now to figure how to run the car on beer and ill be set.
PS I use 99.99999 % pure Acetone semiconductor grade so no black smoke from impurites.
Ill let you know how the nitro/acetone/methanol works out. Ill be riding with a big fire extingusher nearby.
1 liter per 20 gals is more reasonable on a late model under warrantee.

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Got to admit this was one of my favorite threads in a long time.I just thought you were a Hemi junkie ,not a mad scientist.

So what is the answer for lower cost modified or home brewed fuels? I'd actually love to try some of this stuff out.I have access to low buck cars at our dealership all day.Not sure I would want to try it in my truck.

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Im a Hemi junkie, mad scientist, electronics mad man and anything out there excites me as long as its to excess and beyong common sense
best fuel is 89 octane plus a quart of acetone per tank no harm will come of it.
but avoid my home made nitro recipes unless you want some splaining to do to your boss.
Im also heavilly into physics of crystline substances, iron, silicon,eutectic combinations of each and microscopic stuff like electron shells around atoms and diatomic bonding.
Ive done some work on a atom smasher(particle accelerastor) to convert silicon based electronics to saphire and diamond based semi insulator/ conductor thats where 2-3 volt computer chips come from instead of the old 5 volt.
as we speak i have poured liquid oxygen on the asphault outside work and did a nasty burn out and the oxygen and heat of the rubber ignites the oils in the tar and makes a nice show but now I got a clean up job on my Qtr panels from carbon charring.
but it amused the local houndourans who live 40 to a house around here and they dont dare look me in the eyes or ever stay on the street when they see me comming.

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Perfect.I grew up on Long Island years ago.Lived in Lynbrook.I'm afraid if I had remained there we might be a dangerous combination!!

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cool an X LI er.
Im also into heavy duty sound systems 25ooo watts rms in my basement enough to make Nicoli Tesla proud to make an earthquake.
for my college I designed and built a 1.5 million volt tesla coil made lightning in my yard at will but the local power company said it doesent comply with local non industrial zoning for power useage so it went to the copper scrap pile.
I also mess with microwave transmission of modulated waveguides to give headaches to nasty neighbors. but again the town made me take down my pabarolic dish with 12 syncronized maganatrons aiming at him. for some reason all his bushes in the path died and he lost all his hair .
theres hothing you cant do with the right science knowlege!!!!!!

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i would be hesitant to burn non-conventional fuels in stock production engines. mainly due to the fact that they were designed to run only on gasoline and who knows what effects may occur internally. maybe none at all. mainly i've seen alternative fuels act as solvents and eat certain seals. also some alternative fuel concoctions may burn "hotter" or contain contaminates that could damage the engine.


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so why did the gas companys put MTBE and alcohol in their gas??????? now thats troubling.

my solvents are 99.99999% pure the purest grade there is anywhere. not like the stuff you buy.
and acetone Xylene and toluene are already in the gas and more so in race grade gas. and they burn cooler not hotter as they inhibit the flame to explode only wnen the spark ignites it not from compressive heat (aedibatic heat of compression)
or knock or ping as the layman call it.
all gasoline in NY now contains 10% methonal wheather you like it or not and that was to limit the NOX produced when the nitrogen burns .
air we breath and burn is 19.5% oxygen 80 % nitrogen and 1-2% everything else.
so limit the NOX by 10% with Acetone and get
a new hexavalent disbonding instead of contaminated air.
also why do cars run well on propane and compressed natural gas, cause of less nitrogen and moisture containing contaminates mixed in to slow the flame front propergation from spark plug to piston top. thats why quench is important. you need enough new cool intake charge to displace the last load of burned heated gas out of the chamber to bring the equation back into balance.
simple thermodynamics happens in all compressible burning states.
the modern engine is wayyyyy more tolerant of alternative fuels then you might think with hypereutectic pistons, silicon coated fuel lines, butly o rings, stainless fuel lines, non rubber diaphrams, and so on. Im also a Materials scientist by trade believe me its a good thing .
ive looked at all the various burning states with a mass spectrometer and analyzed the residuals in not parts per million but parts per billion and use 5 nines hydrogen and helium as a basic calibration gas. even sometimes use atomic infared abvsorption which gives a wavelength for each element known to man on a spectrometer and I say go for it or youll get left behind running a steam engine powered car. just kidding
im waiting for the refineriery guys to chime in with their refractometers and analysis.
I spend 12 hours a night with this type stuff so im not just hobby ing it we dope silicon chips to several parts per trillion and have to be exact 6 million bucks of parts per shift so theres no room for idle gusses and hypothesis.
see my atricles in the Materials science national library.

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Where can 99.99999% acetone be purchased?


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what does 100% pure on the typical hardwear store can mean then if it isnt really 100% pure?? is there a difference? what other stuff lurks inside the can.?

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i am not questioning your findings. i am just worried for the guy that might read this and put his wife's nail polish remover, draino, kerosene or who knows what in his gas I.C.E. tank.

i am a mechanical engineer and have worked in the auto industry as well as done research in alternative fuels, so i understand what you are doing- maybe not all the chemistry behind it, but i follow you.

i my opinion, if you want cheap fuel, get a diesel and make biodiesel. it is the most tested, easily made and can be run in any diesel engine. plus you might be able to get tax incentives to make/use it. i am actually in the process of applying for a patent on a device that i co-designed to facilitate mass production of biodiesel.

i'm also on long island and i need to figure out how to increase certain bio-fuel properties. maybe you are interested in helping out? currently both my research partner and i are trying to get DOE and NYSERDA funding but its tough to say the least. so far we've been paying out of pocket and have a fully working proto-type.


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Semiconductor grade, someone's been pilfering from work.

It ain't cheap if you buy it, in fact odds are if you figured the cost of semiconductor grade acetone into to your fuel pricing it will cost more money even IF and I say IF it increases your mileage. That stuff isn't cheap.

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So what if I give the hardware store acetone a try about a quart to a tank you say? Should I try it on an olds 307 that burns a little oil? or am I asking for trouble?

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i don't know about a whole quart? but go to this web site for the original article about the whole thing. http://www.lubedev.com/smartgas/additive.htm it is good reading if anything else.

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so..how much does a quart of acetone to 20 gallons of 91 octane gasoline raise the octane?

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guys ive been putting 3oz of acetone per 10 gal ...(from home depot..a gallon is like $3.00)
into my tank for a few months now.
..actually all summer..3oz per 10 gallon my truck holds 25 gallons... so i fill up an 8oz soda bottle and dump it in then fill er up..
...its a 305 gmc 96 model throttle body with the performance chip..
..its a 5 spd and i tow the race car to the track with it.. when i dont put the acetone in the truck it will ping like crazy while tryin to back up or go up a grade from a stop w/ the trailer. 5spd
i dont notice to much of a performance gain.
not sure if its seat of the pants or my imagination..
the truck does tend to idle about 2/300 rpm higher and i saw about 18/25 additional miles per tank full. about the equivalent of running the truck with out a/c..
its more noticable when i dont put it in the tank.
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I was talking to a couple of guys who use acetone, they add about 2-1/4 ounces to 13 gallons of gas. One of them has done a lot of research and experimentation, they both claim about a 20 percent increase in mileage. According to them, the reason is that acetone breaks the surface tension of the gas, so there is better atomization of the fuel, so it's a more efficient burn. More gas is burned instead of going out the exhaust. Just what I have heard, I think I will try it.

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Maybe that is Greg Anderson's edge.


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Semiconductor grade, someone's been pilfering from work.

It ain't cheap if you buy it, in fact odds are if you figured the cost of semiconductor grade acetone into to your fuel pricing it will cost more money even IF and I say IF it increases your mileage. That stuff isn't cheap.




you cant cept for 60 bucks per gallon ans same for 5 999999 Hydroges 1k $ PER CULINDER.
i WELD A THERMOCOUPLE O RACH OUTLRT PORT SND SET UP FLOW TO MAX COOLNESS OF MIXTURE THST MEAND MAX QUENCH AND MAX POWER THEN ADJUST DISTRIBUTION WITH TINY OIL URNRT NOZZLES WITH GATE VALVES THEN PEAK OUT YUOR MIXTYRE AT FULL LOAD RPM AND BE SURE TO BAKALCE ALL Y THERMOCOUPLES. THOSE oS SENSORS ARE JUNK EVER SEE ONE ON A GOOD DUYN>>>> RUN.
GO MAX OF 10% TO COUJTER ACT THE 10 % METHANOL.
THIS WEEL ITS GOING TO BE 40 DEGREES TIMING, NITRO,vp111, ACRTONE AND 20% PURE OXYGER.
OFF TO THE MOON BABY.

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Semiconductor grade, someone's been pilfering from work.

It ain't cheap if you buy it, in fact odds are if you figured the cost of semiconductor grade acetone into to your fuel pricing it will cost more money even IF and I say IF it increases your mileage. That stuff isn't cheap.




you cant cept for 60 bucks per gallon ans same for 5 999999 Hydroges 1k $ PER CULINDER.
i WELD A THERMOCOUPLE O RACH OUTLRT PORT SND SET UP FLOW TO MAX COOLNESS OF MIXTURE THST MEAND MAX QUENCH AND MAX POWER THEN ADJUST DISTRIBUTION WITH TINY OIL URNRT NOZZLES WITH GATE VALVES THEN PEAK OUT YUOR MIXTYRE AT FULL LOAD RPM AND BE SURE TO BAKALCE ALL Y THERMOCOUPLES. THOSE oS SENSORS ARE JUNK EVER SEE ONE ON A GOOD DUYN>>>> RUN.
GO MAX OF 10% TO COUJTER ACT THE 10 % METHANOL.
THIS WEEL ITS GOING TO BE 40 DEGREES TIMING, NITRO,vp111, ACRTONE AND 20% PURE OXYGER.
OFF TO THE MOON BABY.



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i think he test drinks his fuel before the rest goes to the tank

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Dart-sport Satellite,what brand of gasoline did your friends use?? which worked best?

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Not sure what brand of gas he is using, I'll ask. Here's a link with a lot of info, including testing and a scan gauge. Interestingly, one of the tests shows that a 92 Acura Integra saw a 1.1 percent mileage decrease.

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Acetone_as_a_Fuel_Additive

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Talked to him today, he uses whatever gas is convenient. When he first started testing the acetone mix, he went around to a bunch of stations to find which gas gave him the best mileage for HIS car. After he found this out, he proceded to test how much acetone would give him the best improvement. He started at 1/4 oz. per 10 gals. and worked up to where the mileage dropped off, then back down to where the mileage was best. He's using 2 and 1/4 oz. per 10 gallons, and now buys his gas wherever is convenient.

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Just thought i would pass along that since my last post on Sept 17th that i have gained 1 mpg so far in my 2000 300M. After two tankfulls, the first gaining 4 tenths of a gallon to 24.7 till today at fill up with 25.3 mpg, a 1 mpg increase from my earlier average. Just for the record, i don't baby this car. I drive anywhere from 65 to 85 mph and higher on the highway when needed if i'm running late for work. My driving is light city, mostly country with some highway. The 300M has a nice 3.5 liter motor with a compression ratio of 9.9 to 1 which i have faithfully supplied with 91 to 93 octane because of a noticable reduction in mileage if run on 87 octane donkey drool. When gas prices went sharply higher, i started carefully using the 87 octane without any complaints from the motor at light to moderate throttle. With acetone i can run the 87 octane and so far i have verified the highest averag mpg that have ever seen even when using 91 to 93 octane. I'm driving to Pittsburg tomorrow so i will get to use a full tank at highway speeds of 65 to 80 mph and will let everyone know what happens. 26 to 27 mpg has been the norm for this trip in the past. 28 mpg without the airconditioner at 75 miles per hour average.
One more experience has been what feels to be more responsivness when rolling the throttle down just off of the cruise position. This could be a sighn that the computer is giving full advance that was taken away because of the use of 87 octane to cut back on fuel costs. Gas stations around here are charging 30 cents a gallon more for high test which would be an extra $4.50 for a 15 gallon fill up. Acetone costs are about 60 to 70 cents per tank based on a quart purchased at Walmart around $5.00. If things continue to hold true with further testing, acetone's stated benefits of fuel vapourization could easily exceed what had been seen by the use of expensive hightest fuel.... More to come.

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ohh Im back, my pills from the other night wore off dont know what I wrote myself???
its not the surface tension its the max total advance available and cooling effect of the solvent.
gas has pretty low surface tension already.
go with Xylene even better carbon chain
any ane or ene is a hydrocarbon diretive and adds . they distill all this stuff off when making the gas then add it afterward to boost .
PS did I tell ya about my 80% acetone burnouts the other night street still looks cool

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At highway speeds of up to 85 mph, averaging 73mph for the trip, my big 300M got 28.4 on the way out to Pittsburgh and 28.6 on the way back. I could only guess at what i would get if i kept it on cruise controll at 70mph, 30mpg ??
So far this stuff appears to be doing something as i have never seen these kind of numbers out of this car, especialy at these speeds. Anyone else out there trying this stuff? Results good or bad?

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I have just put 4oz. of acetone into the tank of my 2000 300M. Before, I was getting a consistent 24.3 mpg average according to the factory trip computer, which is pretty darn accurate as found after 110,000 mi. of checking it.
I feel that 24.3 mpg is'nt bad for a nearly 4,00lb vehicle. The only things installed so far was the use of Mobil 1 and a fresh set of plugs. Since i had already started to track mileage and conserve fuel, It will be interesting to see what changes acetone will make as i have'nt seen anyone report any real problems with o2 sensors etc. I bought a quart at Wall Mart for less than 5 bucks which comes out to .15 cents per ounce. I'll let everyone know the good the bad and the ugly




24.3 driving conservative? And you are now not driving for mileage and you get 28.6? If so very cool!


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So how much did you add a tank of gas? I'm gonna try it on my olds today.

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I tried in three tank fulls in my 73 charger 318 and it didnt do squat! I was hopin it would but it got the same 16 mpg no matter what...

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Awsome link Dart sport thanks.
I think Ill go do some more 100% acetone burnouts ot front of work wish I had a camera here

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What did Hemidan say.!!

Man great thread, but the last post from you Hemidan was way out there.

Dont know ether to write it down as is or ?? ,

Anyway out herer in cali . xylene is cheaper than Tolulene( $10 plus per gal) I did the trick once w. tolulenen and the family 98 GMC ran alot better but was a wash in cost. Going w/ the xylenen next. alot cheaper.

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I just put 3 ounces in my 12 gal Escort tank, I'll report back in 2 weeks when it's time for a fillup. It gets a steady 30mpg now so we'll see.

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New Acetone test.
I took my moms 85 lincoln 302 TBI car and ran it till empty (drove it to work on E when i got there idled till it died)
totally empty. then added 1 gallon of pure acetone started car drove 2 blocks and got 10 bucks of gas about 3.5 gallons so now its like 20%. and drove home.
next day my mom calls me and says what did you do to my car, i figure oh oh! , she says it runs like a new engine and flys onto the parkway like never before, this has always been a well tuned low milege car. by end of day she filled it up and she said it lost that zip it had that morning.
geee I wonder how much the Acetone boosted things with absolutley no other changes made to engine/car.

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so..how much does a quart of acetone to 20 gallons of 91 octane gasoline raise the octane?




Easy to figure it out if you know the octane of what you are adding.

Let's say Toluene @ 114 oct. mixing in a 15 gal tank with 93 oct. by adding 1 gal of Toluene:

(93oct x 14gal) + (114oct x 1gal) / 15 gal

So - you'd get 94.4 oct.

You CAN buy Xylene / Toluene in bulk from chemical suppliers. They ARE the main agents in octane boosters. But, as someone said, you should be adding lubricating oil for the added wash-down effect.

I've looked into this (buying bulk chemicals). I found that after you buy all the crap, do the mixing, it would be easier to just buy race fuel and mix if need be.



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I lost 5mpg on the first tank of acetone mix.

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Easy to figure it out if you know the octane of what you are adding.

Let's say Toluene @ 114 oct. mixing in a 15 gal tank with 93 oct. by adding 1 gal of Toluene:

(93oct x 14gal) + (114oct x 1gal) / 15 gal

So - you'd get 94.4 oct.

You CAN buy Xylene / Toluene in bulk from chemical suppliers. They ARE the main agents in octane boosters. But, as someone said, you should be adding lubricating oil for the added wash-down effect.

I've looked into this (buying bulk chemicals). I found that after you buy all the crap, do the mixing, it would be easier to just buy race fuel and mix if need be.






Yep. And those calculations show why that little can of 104 Octane Booster the autoparts store sells does not make your tank of gas 104 octane.


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so does adding assatone in greater and greater amounts raise the octane more and more? is it more flamable and burn better than just plain gas? what damage does it do the motor in larger amounts. sounds like we have gotten away from a better mpg additive to making our own rocket fuel? if more can make more power it would be fun to do it once in awhile but i don't want to get carried away ether.

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Yeah - the concentration of actual octane enhancing products in those boosters are minimal. When they say 2-3 POINTS - they mean 93 to 93.2, not 95. Those boosters work better with the lowest grade fuel as there is a greater differential.

For everyones info - I found the e-mail from the bulk chemical supply house for the Xylene or Toluene. They wanted $102.40 CDN for a 20 Litre can. So, that's about $85 bucks US for 5.3 gallons for my friends south.

I couldn't find pure Toluene / Xylene in hardware stores like everyone said you could (perhaps it is easier to find in the US). I CAN tell you that up here, most places are not just going to give you this stuff after a credit card #....this is used to make explosives.

So, perhaps in the US you can find it cheaper / more readily available. But, I can tell you that the price for that is WAY more expensive then buying / mixing with race gas.


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I am on my 4th tank of adding 100cc of acetone in my 98 neon and it made a big difference.The car has 100,000 mi. and is not maintained that well.I can't remember the last time I changed the plugs!THe car used to ping and rattle and had a slight miss that I thought was a bad coil.Now the piece of crap runs like a top.Haven't measured the mileage but can tell its better because iam getting couple more days out of a tankful.The idle speed has increased to the point I need to do something about it,but don't know how to lower it(I know nothing about computer cars!)If someone can tell me how to lower the idle speed I think the car would get even better mileage.Anybody out there know how to adjust idle speed on a 98 neon single cam?The only thing I know how to do on this car is change head gaskets!

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The idle speed on a Neon is controlled by the computer. If something raised or lowers it, the computer will IAS motor to let in more or less air.
Idle Air Speed.

Even if you load the crank and pull the idle down, the computer will always try to maintain it's goal rpm.


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Thanks Magnum for the replay.Is the idle speed motor located in the throttle body?Are there any mechanical adjustments that can be done to the valve?

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It's in the throttle body. It's job is to modulate air by bypassing the throttle blade.

All the adjustments are electronically set.


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Acetone rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
or Xylene
surprised my dad too put a quart to 10 gals in his 89 318 lebaron and he asked my what did i do tune it up or something its smoother more responsive and his trips to the beer distributor only take one tank of gas every 3 weeks instead of 2 weeks. I showed him and he calculated the btu content and said why didnt i think of that. hes a retired aerospace engineer.

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New year so lets hear the Acetone tests that are still running Im looking at 17 mpg up from 15 mpg with 20% mix with 89 octane while beating the C... out of the car every day I think thats great. been running test for over 100 consectuive tests. (Stasticial signifient result)
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I am glad I don’t work with some of these so called gas experts

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With all the so called milage addedrs that are claimed - if a person would use them all we would be pumping the socalled depleted oil stocks back into the ground for recycling.
If acetone were the real cat's meow with the so called (oil company self imposed shortage) don't you think that they would add this to the fuel before it is distributed. Much like ethonal blends. Which do nothing for milage (cut it back in some instances even on multiuel rated vehicles and cut power output). Hopefully the corn farmers will reap something from it.

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I think a lot of the benefit people are seeing are from the cleansing propertiers of the acetone in their fuel systems. Note people who put acetone in barely maintained cars are reporting the best results. It may be just cleaning up the fuel system. The other benefit is the additional octane/cooling effect from evaporation.

I wonder what the emissions would look like with a 10% mix??


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Emissions are way down with my 20% mix.
remember my NY Gas already has 10% methanol wich hurts performance as is but helps emissions from 100% gas.
and My engine is Highly matained as far as clean fuel sustem and so on - do you pull all your fuel sustem parts and flow test them with calibrated flow meter? and your injectors and test flow @ pressures with a pulse generator, and test spark system for actual voltage and current at the plug gap in Jules of energy???? Ha HA.
just cause I beat the C --- out of it doesent mean I dont follow scientific method accepted by ASTM and way more strignent test case control that you may think..
I do high purity chemical engineering for 20 years and am not your usual joe Mechanic .
I A MAD Scientist and Mopar ADDICT by nature and profession.
you nay sayers can say all ya want while I and some other believers bring the future to fruituition in fuel improvement and keep performance as a priority unlike gas companys which want to sell more gas not less.
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Emissions are way down with my 20% mix.





Glad to hear, since you are not your usual Joe mechanic, you won't get offended by me asking you to quantify the "way down" in your sentance above? And the method and conditions you tested at?

And please don't dumb it down, I work as a test cell engineer for the worlds leading catalyst supplier...

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on My 2.2 which is Carb/MSD/dash timing control at 36 deg adv total and intake vac @15 1000rpm my Hc dropped by 110 ppm and my Nitrogens by 1/2

in my 302 EFI there was better decrease cause the computer reset mixture as per O2 sensor out put
and the HC were 300 ppm less and N2s were still about 1/2 without Ace tone as with Gasoline
the results vary on actual ppm as the static air press goes from high 29s to 30"s as the denser air days heve closet to the 21% o2 as I live at 3 ft above sea level on Long island and unless its a storm im never below 20% o2 as per my Nyosh Gas air monitor shows. and its caled. to 1%,10%,20%,100% using lab bottles of air products calibration gas.

I run the system empty put in 5 gallons of Gas which is already 10% methanol by NY code 89 octane Sunoco. same station 5 years get gas every 2 days .
add 1 gallon Acetone leaving house drive 2 blocks then put the gas in. need to do that to run the car from empty.
its industrial acetone (like Fisher reagent)
so im a little above 20% but I usually pound it for 2 blocks on 100% acetone and figure as a minimum 20%

been doing this for at least 4 months before that i did it with Xylene and tolulene but that stuff gets expensive. even though cost was not a determing factor the xylene was less controlled as i did not totally empty system each time and filled 5 gals and for approx a quart each time anythindg over a quart of Xylene gave much better top end and highway acceleration but was rough on idle caues the o2 sensor got confused on the mixture as the out put voltage looked very noist (500mv ac backround at idle vs 80 mv noise on gas or acetone or Meth.)
I pulled my injectors 4 times and fuel pump and flow tested it on a bench with 3 different viscositiy fluids alch, gasoline,kerosene thru 2 differnt flow meters, ultrasonic mass flow meter(Brooks) and analog ball float in series both open head flow and restricted to heas press of 5 back psi which is typical head at 1k rpm and 35 % opening or duty cycle on the injectors which I control with a squear wave of 12 volts loaded sidnal. the car gives a modified wave not as clean as the bench but within 5% total open area when plotted on a scope (my fav for road test if Fluke Scope meter) my bench is a Techteronix 4 trace circa 1988 (calibrated to National stds every year) Im also the Metrology engineer for last 15 yease here at work.

I summerize by saying the Acetone enhances the mixing of gas and air (inter diffusion) or oxidation enhancement cause it allows more free O2 TO BOND onto the Hydrocarbon chain. Octane is rather stable and needs help to bump open a spot surrounding the carbons and the Carbon in the Acetone grts right in there.
I have run O2 in PPM and PPB test on my Leco 410 oxygen determinator which you must be familiar with and it show more 32 ppm average Free O2 with acetone /gas in every 1 cc carbon crucible tested . so this transfers to more o2 per CC that the particular car has delivered to the cy;l. and the EFI does it better as real time mixture enrichment then the carb (unless i open up my jets)
No I didnt writd it all in a registered lab notebook and patent it cause it for fun and Moparts info. I have patents for oxygen induced into many materials to achieve different results, thetmal activity,electrical,chemical, and mechnical propeties such a strain and denuded zones in thermal anneals. published The Marerial Research scociety as break thru technolgy and seinor engineer for worlds largest discrete Semiconductor Company.
lets have fun with this not dissention.
you do a HC test and N2 and get back to me.
ps ive got my own sun and also Heathkit emissions analyzers to test at home before they hit the state cert. dyno.
but I pre fer the long term actual road usage test to provr it where the rubber meets the road or where the rubber goes up in smoke.
ps how bot you send me a gal of real Tetraethyl lead. Im Hazamt lavel A set.

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I forgot to add, for the non scientific method ,I have been using Methanol and Acetone for a good 10 years in all my cars to get thry NY inspection and in every instance it improved my performance and lowered my emissions to a passable value what ever that was , since 10 year old cars still got to pass and just leaning it out didnt kill the nox. only lowered the HCs.
thats 12 cars X 10 inspections minimum.
I started trying lacquer thinner early 80s but that was wayyy worse HCs and black smoke.
ant that was even with 10 cfm of pure O2 into intake vacuum fitting. geeze what was i thinking then all were well maintained .
even the lawnmower,

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Thanks. 110 ppm reduction from what originally?

Funny, some of the stuff (registered lab notebooks, etc), I still use.

You state:
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I summerize by saying the Acetone enhances the mixing of gas and air (inter diffusion) or oxidation enhancement cause it allows more free O2 TO BOND onto the Hydrocarbon chain. Octane is rather stable and needs help to bump open a spot surrounding the carbons and the Carbon in the Acetone grts right in there.





While I too do not want to argue, an not having the kinetic chemistry background, could you clarify how acetone allows O2 to bond to a stable chain? Doesn't the heat of compression/combustion first have to start to break downthe octane molecule to expose free radicals? Does acetone breakdown easier allowing faster propagation of this reaction? I can see how diluting octane with acetone can increase the rate of combustion by putting easily breakable chains amongst the harder ones, but that is providing the fact the acetone is easier to combust, right?


And, we buy our specialty fuels pre-blended, I could probably get my hands on lead, but it easier to get toluene....


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HCs generally 500s ppm.
the Gasoline and methane mix are less stable than the gasoline alone. as the mixture evaps into a "vacuum" of whatever level it begins to expand the mollecular chain leaving more actual space between the bonded surrounding carbons.as does happen a molecular sieve vacuum generator which tears apart atoms by heat and enpansion then cooling and heavy molecules drop out into the diffusion oil boiling below.
like decrease air pressure allows water to boil or channge state and asorb energy to do so and vise versa a pressure cooker is higher press and requires more input energy (>212) to boil and push the atoms apart.


see any good or industrial evaporator or sputtering or implanter or particle accelerator.
(as in atom smasher) these "spaces" get larger and the coheasive effect between the 8 outer electrons is weaker and vulnerable to attack from a "friendly lookind free electron or carbon looking to ozidize as every thing on the perodic table likes O2 to stabilize (well most cept for inerts at netural state)then it totally breaks open in the combustion compression. thats why aediabatic heat of compression can ignignt low octane gas cause its broken open and most vulnerable to the rapid combination of the entered oxygen with little energy as it looking to satisfy its "dangling bonds" of Hs and Cs with O2 produccing HC+NOX (Nitrogen from atmosphere 80%+ 1 oxygen )
kinda like we ram electrons into Lead to increase outer shell by to and its now Gold in an implanter with high voltade, huge magetic field to steer it and ultra high vac in a few Millitorr. to keep unwanted molecules out of the way.
as I type im running 10 Pure Hydrogen reactors to create different elemential propeties of basic chemicals O2,Ar,H2,N2,HCL,HF,KOH,HN03,and all kinds of metal dopants too.

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isn't that similar to Lucas fuel treatment?

Re: assatone in da gas????? [Re: BigTerry] #17321
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probably its no magic just basic chemestry and can be achieved with most hydro carbon solvents.
I sold my Mass Spectrometer for A hemi, wish I still had it now you guys got me going again.

Re: acetone in da gas????? [Re: whiplash] #17322
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Glad to hear, since you are not your usual Joe mechanic, you won't get offended by me asking you to quantify the "way down" in your sentance above? And the method and conditions you tested at?

And please don't dumb it down, I work as a test cell engineer for the worlds leading catalyst supplier...

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Did you enjoy his song and dance? Love how he danced all around how it works and brought in lots of irelevant info, did you?

Typical.

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HCs were avg 700 ppm no acetone (Ford 302 EFI)
Hc with 20% Acetone 500 ppm on rolling dyno 1000rpm loaded engine 65degrees and 29.9"Mb atmos.

How do you figure i explained right down to atomic level how the reaction occurs even down to the electrons in the HCs outer shell, so hows that going around the subject you cant get much more into detail than that???
if you can please explain.
no dancing allowed.

same as surfactant (soaps)breaks surface tension to make water molecules open to grabbing grease and dirt ,the Acetone opened the HC chain to allow it to grab more O2 as it evaporates increasing the mixtures oxidation reaction (burinin BTU).
thats another way of putting it.
or do you need the charge of each valance electron on the chain and its energy level at given pressures and temps. if so just look at your periodic table of elements. hint, H is first one top left

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more viewers than 71 Cuda Grille and no one else has any thing constructive to add????????

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Yep - these guys getting all this extra milage must really get tired of pumping the gas out of their tanks.

Re: acetone in da gas????? [Re: HemiGreg] #17326
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I believe thunderstruck is AWESTRUCK TMI. Or he was being sarcastic? Its far easier to be a smart than SMART. No insult intended or implied. This is interesting stuff but its beyond my education or lack there of.
I thought anything more flamable would be more likley to detonate/lower octane? Or is that vapor point?
Is this actually cost effective for milage and power?

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I havent evaluated cost vs power /milege. in a controlled Proper accounting format.
only the factors that it does in fact improve MPG
and Power -Response in several given engines and cars.

Opinion statement - "It seems to more than offset the price difference from 93-89 octane in NY this last year and perform better overall than just 93 Sunoco." **

**these statements are the sole opinion of the writer

all depends on how cheap you get your "Tone" man!


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Hemigreg I find mostly the same. On my FI 89 Honda accord still getting 2 mpg more with acetone. On the 77 chrysler lebaron I'm getting almost 8 mpg more 5 mpg on average. TQ and lean burn intact. Also as noted I have gone down from running 93 to running 89 octane no ping audible. These are city driven calculations.

As far as how much I use I am using alot less then 20% but i have started to just measure by eye and go with that. I am very happy with the results.

I have been running 3 tanks with. 3 tanks with out and can see a notciable differance first fill up on the switch.

Only vehicle it hasn't worked on is the wife's 99 astro van awd. Ran 4 tanks with acetone on the way back from Miami Fl. and did not see any noticable differnace. Dunno why but I blame GM.


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My "average Joe mechanic" experiment is complete.

The daily-driven vehicles under my care are:
1994 Ford Taurus 3.0L V6
1995 Chrysler Town & Country 3.8L V6 AWD

I used Sheetz "Regular Unleaded" gasoline throughout the experiment, as that is what I've been using for over a year now, and I didn't want to introduce any new variables. I performed the experiment for about two months. The average MPG of the above vehicles did not change; no improvement nor degradation of fuel economy was noted. My wife (who drives the van) didn't even realize that I was adding the acetone! The only difference I observed was that the Taurus motor seemed to idle a little smoother. Even before reading this latest series of posts, I realized that with continued usage, the acetone must have cleaned some deposits in the fuel-delivery system. But overall, this was not enough to justify the cost. I discontinued adding the acetone about two weeks ago.

I think the results will vary wildly, depending on who you ask. There are too many variables to say that ONE additive will be the cure-all in all situations. Quality of gasoline presently used, compression ratios, fuel atomization, spark plugs, operating temperature, driving conditions, atmospheric conditions, quench, etc. The list goes on and on!! Therefore, I think adding acetone will neither help nor hurt the performance in MOST cars. I think adding it will hurt some cars, and it will help some cars. The typical "bell curve".

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I think you broke it down to simple english when you said it broke the surface tension of the gas, allowing it entrain O2, thereby getting a more complete combustion.

Re: acetone in da gas????? [Re: dart_sportsatellite] #17331
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I been using it fairly regularly for a couple months now.I've noticed if I don't remember to add it when I get home from filling up and go without for a couple days; the gas gauge goes down alot quicker. Haven't actually done any calculations, but I know it makes a difference.


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Actually tested this in a semi controlled environment.
2002 VW Jetta. 4 holer. 23K miles.
DTW (Detroit Metro Airport) to ORD (Chicago O'Hare).
Without 27.4 mpg.
With 29.3 MPG.
New Plugs, Oil, Oil and air filters before 1st trip/test.
Same car, same miles, same driver, same load, even real close to the same temp out, there and back.
1.9 mpg increase.
Mixture: 1 oz to 6 gallons.
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Re: Acetone in your No Lead????? [Re: Terencejiminy] #17333
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Cool inputs thanks guys for the real world inputs

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amazing isnt it? this post is immortal. being the author of acetone in da gas. i never imagined this would go on for so long well i have been useing it since last september 2 ounces up to6 ounces per 10 gallons of gas and thats many many tanks in that amount of time and yes it does seem to make the engine run smmother at idle. but i have never had an increase in mpg. even in a couple of road trips rangeing from 500 to 1000 mile trips. but my fuel system and carb is still new and clean. well it's a year and1/2 old. this has been my expierence with ass a tone in da gas. oh yeah do you all like the new challenger that was at the car show??? wisht i had one

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I tryed it on my 1995 Ford Mondeo 2.0 station wagen with a 2.0liter Zetec engine and 5spd.
MGF just went down very little, probably was more measuring tolerances than real gain. But I felt (maybe it was just a feeling?!) that the engine is stronger and revs quicker. A friend with the same car did the same, he also didn't gain mpg but also felt more power when accelerating hard.
So I don't really know if I should continue with that, but surely will try it this summer with my 440...

Re: Acetone in your No Lead????? [Re: 6o4o] #17336
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I used 6oz in each 20 gal fillup in my Explorer for a several months last year and saw: a) an increase of 2-3 mpg, b) an elimination of ping, and c) more 'seat of the pants' power. Then my can of acetone ran out and I ran about 5 tanks of regular unleaded. The 'ping' has not returned, but my mpg has significantly dropped, and the 'pep' is not in the motor now. I'm picking up another can next time I'm at the hardware store.

Re: acetone in da gas????? [Re: Luvcars69] #17337
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Ok I found it! I guess it is time to reread all these pages. I bought a measuring cup and a gallon.


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industrial grade (HPLC)acetone is pretty expessive! ($20/gal w/ company discount)...curious if you have tried acetonitrile??? Interesting work so far!

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the home depo stuff is good enough for most cars.

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Has anyone tried this at the strip. IE: with acetone and without to compare ETs or on a dyno to quantify HP increases? Just curious.


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"Mad Scientists" should know how to do a proper fuel economy test....especially since other 'mad scientists' have put a lot of thought into how good science only can come from good testing.

If a 'good' test is done
all this nonsense about acetone in gasoline would go away.
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Got a buddy with a vehicle with the overhead trip computer?
(His vehicle does not have to be exactly the same as yours, but the closer the
better)

Since you are making a modification with hopes of getting better MPG
why not do a "before & after" test?

Do a 'before test' with both vehicles
* you and your buddy fill up at the same gas station and put the same air
pressure in all tires
* Pick a highway without too much traffic and hopefully where the wind is a
head wind or tailwind (side winds mess things up)
* Your vehicle and your buddy's vehicle follow one another staying at least 6 vehicle
lengths apart
* talk to one another with cell phones or walkie talkies
* drive at the same speed
* reset the overhead computers at the same time
* drive at least long enough to burn up 10 to 20 gallons
* exit highway, turn around, and continue the test in opposite direction
(this is to partially cancel out wind direction)
* write down average MPG on overhead computers at end of run
and compare this to the gas pump numbers and odometer mileages.

After doing your modification
redo the test the same way as above,
hopefully at a time of day where the temperature is about the same as the
'before' test and the wind speed & direction is not a problem - which you
can check here:

http://tribunewx.wunderground.com/US/Region/US/2xWindSpeed.html

Note that in the above weblink you can type in your zip code and get exact
wind, temperature and other weather data.

The value of your buddy's pickup being along on is that on this 'after' test
if his MPG is greatly different you should suspect something has gone wrong
like strong cross winds, a change in temperature, tire air pressure, etc.

If you want to test two vehicles against one another that are already modified
like comparing 3.55 differential gears to 4.56 gears
or an underdrive pulley, syn versus dino oil, tire air pressure, thermostat,
SuperChips, etc......
you can modify this test slightly for even better accuracy.
Swap two tires from one vehicle to the other.
Now both vehicles have the same 'average' tires.
Weigh the vehicles and add weight to the lighter truck to make them even.

If you really want 'gold standard' accuracy that you can trust
(or if you are measuring a small effect like a thermostat)
then swap the mod over to your buddy's truck
and do the tests another time with your truck as the 'control'.

If you are presently thinking:

"Wow, who would be that careful for a lousy MPG test?"

then just think about a dragstrip
which will have:
carefully measured distances,
highly accurate timing trigger by light beams,
know its altitude,
have a weather station,
and have a computer program to 'adjust' results for weather conditions.

All this type of MPG test is doing is applying the same standards to MPG
that is expected when someone brags about their vehicle's ET or MPH in the
quarter mile.

By doing a test this way you are doing a simplified version of a
SAE/TMC Type IV fuel economy test RP 1109.

Here the SAE stands for Society of Automotive Engineers and
TMC stands for Truck Maintenance Council which is a group
of professional 18 wheel truckers who have banded together to share
information. RP stands for recommended procedure.

Credit for inventing a 'reliable' MPG test like this goes to many, but
especially Claude Travis, known to his peers at TMC as "Mr. MPG,"
who has spent 37 years managing the operation, maintenance and testing
of heavy-duty, on-highway vehicles. Highly regarded for his exhaustive
research in the field of heavy-vehicle fuel-economy, he is principal of
Claude Travis and Associates, Fleet Consultants, Grand Rapids, Mich.

In the actual SAE/TMC type IV test they also take the temperature of the
fuel both before and after, because a gallon of fuel coming out of an
underground tank at 57 degrees F will expand/contract several percent
as it approaches that day's air temperature.

If you are interested in learning more about this
there are also SAE/TMC tests I, II and III
and no doubt someday an even better test V will be invented.

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I did a rather unscientific test several months ago after reading acetone may help mileage. I have a cardlock fueling service on my company vehicle. I know the exact mileage since the truck was put into service(3 years ago). For 2 months I added 2 gallons of acetone every fillup(about 10%). At the conclusion of the 2 month period I compared the before acetone data to the during acetone data and found that if I added the volume of acetone I mixed with the gasoline(say 20 gallons gas plus 2 gallons acetone=22 gallons fuel) I lost over 3/4 miles per gallon. Maybe unscientific but my money's on "IT DON'T HELP MILEAGE". Another myth busted! -Bob

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Acetone eats through just about anything given (not much) time. I work with the stuff on a daily basis, and I guarantee that you'll have issues if you use it regularly. A much better additive (and one that doesn't tear everything up quite as quickly) is toluene (which I also work with on a daily basis). It'll raise your octane 4 or 5 points (a 6:1 ratio is safest) and it won't eat through rubber as long as it's well cross-linked.
Using acetone on a regular basis isn't such a great idea.


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I did a rather unscientific test several months ago after reading acetone may help mileage. I have a cardlock fueling service on my company vehicle. I know the exact mileage since the truck was put into service(3 years ago). For 2 months I added 2 gallons of acetone every fillup(about 10%). At the conclusion of the 2 month period I compared the before acetone data to the during acetone data and found that if I added the volume of acetone I mixed with the gasoline(say 20 gallons gas plus 2 gallons acetone=22 gallons fuel) I lost over 3/4 miles per gallon. Maybe unscientific but my money's on "IT DON'T HELP MILEAGE". Another myth busted! -Bob





Just for myself thats seems like to much Acetone. Im using just a few onces per fill up. A few gallons per fill up sounds like the cost would be to high for a few mpg.

I don't have anything good or bad to add to this really excpet the same things. I just run it all the time now I haven't done any comparisions in a while.


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True too much acetone hurts MPG the most gain would be at approx 4 oz per gallon of 89 octane or 2 oz per gallon of 92.
and yes tolune is as good or better (xylene even better) at breaking down the molecular bond(surface tension)of the evaporating gasoline and increasing the effective combustable heat l,oad(BTU/Lb)
I been using up to 10% acetone in my orig 70 hemi Cuda since 1980 and yet to have anything disolve cept for the paint around the gas fill.
above 10% it starts eating the rubbers,plastics etc.
hows Benzine work, since it used to be present in larger % in "Good" leaded gas. i dont have much free asccess to this stuff only a few OZs reagant grade. not enough to run several years worth of testing like i did with the tone.
A dyno test would be awrome but i dont have my own yet

and im still getting 2-3 More MPG with the tone as before, same "signifiently controlled variabled" as before and best point of tone is it runs smoother and more responsive.
and my friend runs state inspections on his online Dyno for emissions and the tone ALWAYS!!!
makes the c ars that initally fail, pass when rerun with 2 oz added . the HCs drop more than 50%.
and thats quantitive data that proves more complete combustion in dozens of different makes,models,trucks etc
soon ill be trying some Propolylene Oxide if some one can send me some

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they did this on mythbusters and found it didnt work, waste of time and money

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once a year i run a gallon of acetone to 10 gallons of 92 just to clean out my fuel system. never noticed a power or fuel mileage increase. lotsa impurities in the junk they try to sell you at the pump today ( almost every fuel station here is switching to E10). i've seen claims of 5, 10, even 20mpg increases, if that was the case, everybody and their uncle would be selling the stuff. i'll just stick with my R10.

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I was wondering if the guy's that are seeing an increase in mileage are getting it just because thier fuel delivery system was so gunked up. The Acetone just cleaned it up and made it more effecient.

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"True too much acetone hurts MPG the most gain would be at approx 4 oz per gallon of 89 octane or 2 oz per gallon of 92."


That's funny, Greg, because when I asked you what the optimum acetone/gasoline mixture back when I did my little experiment you told me 10%. That's what I did(give or take 1%). I have since seen the mythbusters episode where they exploded the myth. Guys, there ain't no mileage benefit to using acetone. PERIOD. -Bob

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from the test i seen, it didnt work at all,

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I'm running it in my demon and have two other guys at work that just started. One is a furd and the other is a chebby both V8s. The one with the furd says his idle rpm's have dropped 200 and hasn't did anything for the chebby truck yet. Will keep you posted.

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Was talking to a guy yesterday, who uses it in small carburated engines, and an OBD1 Toyota. He swears he sees an improvement. I saw no improvement in my '02 Dakota, OBD2. But it got me thinking. All the test info I had read was on older cars/trucks. Wonder if this has any impact on the subject?

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I was wondering if the guy's that are seeing an increase in mileage are getting it just because thier fuel delivery system was so gunked up. The Acetone just cleaned it up and made it more effecient.

Jack




I was kind of thinking the same thing. But don't they already put degerents in gasoline to do that?


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One of the biggest scams in gas is the detergent in the gas, detergents don't burn and cause just as many if not more deposits than they remove.


I am not causing global warming, I am just trying to hold off a impending Ice Age!



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Acetone in Fuels (A Study of Dimethylketone or Propanone)
http://www.lubedev.com/smartgas/additive.htm

Subject: Acetone in Fuels (A Study of Dimethylketone or Propanone)
Author: Louis LaPointe
Date: October 25, 2007

(c) Copyright 1990-2007 Louis LaPointe All rights reserved

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It is indeed possible to double your mileage on most cars:
This article about acetone (CH3COCH3) draws conclusions that Big Oil and the American Car Manufacturers and their politicians do NOT want you to know. They apparently suffer from unlimited corporate GREED. They want bad mileage. It seems that way because if they wanted good mileage, we would all have excellent mileage. We get worse fuel, not better fuel. We get overly rich mixtures. Just look at the SUV and pickup mileage situation. They have tried to squash the widespread use of acetone in diesel fuel and gasoline. The opposition stories deny the benefits of acetone, xylene and other additives to improve your mileage. They make silly claims of acetone being harmful. At the very least, one would think they would feel shame for blasting a good and noble cause like this one.

How do I learn these things? Knowledge comes from constant testing. From my readers who test. From hundreds of letters and calls from people who know better. And from papers such as The Wall Street Journal or magazines like Utne Reader. I am a truthful person. I would never publish a false technical statement deliberately. YUK. Yet that is the implication some persons like to give. Nor would I publish anything I have not verified over and over and over. Plus they give no motive or reason for me to lie. It sure is not for cash as I give many of my discoveries away to the public. However it is now well known that only pure acetone works, such as from beauty supply stores. A fake test would not use the good stuff but would come from a tainted source. I found a nice boost in MPG from tert butanol, with or without acetone.

The above title says you can double your mileage. That is quite true. However, acetone alone will not do it. You need a good engine and a good vehicle. Pickups and SUVs are not a good start. This website explores numerous ways to get better mileage and each of these tips donates its share of mileage gains until the total becomes double the MPG you started with. In many cases, we have tripled mileage with these suggestions. There are no miracles. Great mileage takes work and the cooperation of a good open-minded mechanic in your area. Preferably an older mechanic who remembers what it was like to work on real cars.

To be blunt, I do not care who uses our suggested mileage ingredients and who does not. A researcher simply presents his or her facts and lets the wind take that information wherever it goes. This is not about any particular chemical or procedure. It is about you, the public, taking a hand in your own destiny and doing a little trial testing on your own if you are so inclined. Maybe you can discover things that may save our country a lot of dollars and help the quality of our air in the process. There are obstructionists who deny whatever they can for no real reason other than their huge egos, tiny brains and lack of shame. They should never try acetone or my other hints. I prefer that nice, intelligent people take the suggestions and verify to their own satisfaction what works for them and what does not. There is nothing to argue about.with words and counter words. There is a lesson to be learned however, that existing fuel lacks the quality we need for good mileage. You have the ability now to make your gasoline and diesel fuel much better. It will save you money and help the air we all must breathe. It can be like recycling so we are at least trying to make a better world for ourselves and our kids and their kids.

When the fake claims mentioned above did not pan out, they said acetone causes gasoline to burn faster and thereby loses mileage. This is false, of course. Pure acetone does not cause fuel to burn faster but to burn BETTER. Acetone, xylene, neohexane and other methyl carrying hydrocarbons are among the slowest burning chemicals known to man. Here is how they operate. These survive the heat of combustion for a very long time although they vaporize readily. Still they burn slowly. By their fierce vibrations, they break apart the massive fuel fragments that surround them. Thus they encourage great vaporization, the key to mileage. The oil industry seems determined to halt the use of acetone and to stop sites such as this one that operate non-profit and are a public service to boost mileage and lower pollution and halt atmospheric warming. Why is the industry corrupt in this respect? Why lie and spread fake rumors regarding acetone and mileage in general? Because the threat of acetone (the 'A' word) has been feared by the oil industry for many years. They most likely fear that good mileage will cost them billions. They are fighting a losing battle however. They will have to stop acetone AND xylene AND iso-octane and a dozen other chemicals that can supply the methyl ion CH3 into gasoline. Plus they will have to shoot down several Fog devices that create fantastic vaporization. But they will undoubtedly try because of the billions involved. Those are YOUR billions they want. They remain committed to taking your money from you. Possibly because they know petroleum is a dwindling commodity and they want to get all the loot they can before the stuff runs out. And it WILL run out. The Peak Oil point has aleady been passed. Demand is rising as easy availability is dropping. Those of you who studied economics are well aware of this.

The biggest probable reason for the grief and fear caused by good mileage to the oil companies and auto companies is overproduction. There is no shortage of car production lines or refineries. They simply fear that the production lines are not being utilized enough, according to the Wall Street Journal. People who own cars with good mileage tend to keep them. Cars with good mileage stay on the road until they fall apart. The companies fear that a drop in oil usage due to high mileage will cause them to enter a lower demand and overproduction phase and car prices may drop. It is obvious they want to keep those refineries and car factories busy and productive regardless of the consequences. Thus they love ethanol. Good mileage is their worst enemy, so their agenda is to kill mileage. Not Toyota or Honda of course. The American companies care nothing for the masses or for engine efficiency or good mileage or ideals for saving the Earth. They care only for money--lots of it. The corporate mind cares nothing about the future or the disasters that are around the corner due to their massive greed. What the car and oil creeps are doing is a disgrace and should be stopped. I basically do not like the unethical way the car and oil people make money. Do you? So it angers me and I write about it. At least in this country, I have a free voice. So does Chris Paine who wrote and directed Who Killed the Electric Car? The movie is a scathing exposure of the brutal arrogance of American car and oil companies, American politicians and the slick corporate manipulation of the American public to keep rising profits the way they are. Utne Reader is a magazine that tells about the ethanol fiasco. Sicko is a movie that goes into our rotten health system--if it can be called a system.

Pure acetone is a stable vaporization additive rather than a fuel additive per se. As such I do not consider acetone a fuel. It is successful in very tiny amounts from about 1/4 of one percent to 1/3 of one percent. Mileage seems to taper off at larger amounts while HC emissions actually are greatly reduced with too much acetone. Acetone not only improves mileage but cuts pollution dramatically and gives longer life to engines. The peak gain in mileage comes between .20 of one-percent and .35 of one-percent acetone, depending on the actual vehicle which may be running gasoline or diesel fuel. This is the roughly the same as 2 to 3 oz. per 10 gallons. I prefer three. Note .781 ml per liter or .78 parts per 1000 or one part per 1280 is the same as one ounce per ten US gallons. Another way of getting the correct mix for motorcycles is to add 1/4 to 1/3 oz. of acetone per gallon of gasoline. Acetone is not the only additive to boost your mileage. Xylene (xylol) and trimethylbenzene do the same thing. There are three variations of xylene that depend on how the pair of methyl ions in the benzene ring are distributed. These are the meta, the ortho and the para molecules of xylene. A doctorate student at Clemson University in South Carolina is checking the mileage boost from the four types of xylene. Xylol (the fourth type) is the mix of the first three. So far they have verified that acetone yields 3 or 4 better MPG and that o-xylene can yield another 2-3 MPG..

I do not just dump additives into gasoline and casually drive around town. I only go by test results and am highly critical of my findings. I live by empirical results. Preparation is half the battle. I prepare for short trips of about 75 miles in one direction and carry my own base fuel. When I have tested a fuel additive, I run all the additive out and go at least another tank with just plain gas--but a good gas that I know is dependable and consistent. Without a solid baseline, all my efforts would be wasted. So I get more baselines and drive the same route again adding a small amount of the additive at a time until I reach a predetermined level. Then I again remove the additive and get a fresh baseline and repeat the whole thing again and again. There is no rush to judgment and no hurry. I started doing this in 1953. When I state a conclusion, it is pretty damn solid. True, not all cars are equal and I have not tested all the cars or engines in the world. I am extremely careful with fuel as I carry many burn scars and wounds on this body and do not wish to receive more, so am fearful of mistakes. That is why we are building a dyno facility with three engines to do fuel testing and testing of Fog devices. We will have solid proof via video--compelling recorded evidence. Our tests are conducted very much like a forensic investigation to derive compelling evidence of the results whereby only one conclusion is possible--to the exclusion of all others. We do not rely on one test or even several tests. We conduct tests over and over ad nauseum. Some testing goes on for years. That is the nature of science--to include all possible parameters. We feel a sincere responsibility to give the public the facts we discover so mileage will truly improve. See my article on A Word or Two About Testing.

Acetone has been used in race cars since about 1930. It was found to improve octane and give slightly better HP when added to fuel but only in very small amounts. Nobody has ever tried to run acetone by itself because the slow burn rate that would require a 17:1 or 18:1 compression ratio. This additive always helps any fuel to burn more completely. This is most helpful with alcohols that combust somewhat sluggishly back when methanol was the fuel of choice at places like the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. Racers discovered that the absolute maximum amount of acetone to use in fuel was much less than one-percent. They found acetone burns rather slowly with a high octane rating. Xylene has also been used in race cars for many years but now we suspect it is a boost to mileage when used together with acetone in equal amounts. Acetone is very helpful during second stage combustion while the piston is going down the power stroke, promoting reverse adiabatic cooling. It is common for combustion to stall during this second stage of combustion and thus leave a lot of the fuel fragments incompletely burned. This is the normal situation. With acetone, the combustion stays lit and more fuel is completely converted into water and carbon dioxide. Thus more work is done and the engine runs efficiently. Acetone certainly does not speed up combustion but keeps it from dying on the vine. Keeping combustion alive and more efficient is not the same as making it proceed faster. The base fuel and its chemistry dominates the combustion process, not the addition of some teeny amount of an additive. Acetone improves the vaporization process and allows good burning to continue without lapses during the latter phase of second stage where cylinder volume is rapidly increasing. This additive generates a very smooth and complete burn. No ping. No hesitation. No jerking. No stalling. No wasted fuel. Read the new article WILD COMBUSTION and the one on Dangerous Fuels.

Acetone operates on the unburned portion of the fuel through better vaporization to improve combustion efficiency. It improves the probability of successful combustion. It bumps the Thermal Efficiency of all engines--over 25% for gasoline and over 35% for diesel. Acetone and xylene further operate like electron absorbers to protect against detonation or rough running and against water in the fuel. It is the ideal additive for gasoline, jet fuel and diesel fuel. There are no bad effects whatsoever and there is every good reason to use acetone in your fuel. We have driven over one million miles across this country, Canada and Mexico during the past 50 years with excellent results from acetone. Wonderful results. During all that time, anything abnormal would have shown up. Not one single problem has appeared or I would say so. The base fuel characteristics during combustion remain exactly the same as those of the original fuel because the gasoline (for instance) stays 99.70-percent gasoline. The fuel retains the same basic heat value in BTUs. The fuel just burns more completely with insignificant amounts of acetone in the fuel. This phenomenon happens to reduce pollution as well as improve mileage. Engines love it. Your pocketbook will love it and you will probably never stop using the stuff.

However the acetone purity is not all the same when you buy it at stores. I and others have found the best acetone for mileage is nearly 100-percent pure. While we often get technical grade from a chemical supply house, we rely on the brands at beauty supply stores labeled 100-percent pure. Actually these are 99.4% pure. But we cannot conveniently find better than that. What happens with impure acetone, even that which is labeled falsely as 100-percent pure? The engine runs rough. You mileage will not improve. Look at the label for undesirable ingredients, such as benzoate. Water in the acetone will also make it go bad. If your car has bad plugs or faulty ignition wires or the engine needs work, you will not gain a mileage boost. Do not buy acetone from drug stores. I recently tried bad acetone with good gasoline in two of my cars. Both suffered a small decline in MPG from their normal mileage. Ran all that gas out and went back to the beauty acetone. The cars' mileage recovered to what it had been.

Years ago I was fortunate to stand on the shoulders of automotive giants. One was Jack Henry at National Schools. Another was Harold Daigh. Another was Bob Lancaster. Mr. Henry and Harold had been mechanics at Indy under Clay Smith. Mr. Henry told me several times that the fewer cylinders in an engine, the more efficiency the engine was liable to have. He said V-8 engines tended to be fuel hogs and needed bigger tanks to run the course at Indy and other tracks. He compared the fabulous Offenhauser four to the Novi V-8 when both were run normally aspirated. We even drove to see these engines disassembled side by side in East LA. The Offy pistons looked like buckets compared with the Novi pistons. That was in 1954. In 1974, I asked Harold to explain in more detail what Mr. Henry meant. The two men knew and respected each other. Harold pointed out that two engines of the same displacement but with a different number of cylinders behaved quite characteristically NOT the same. The V-8 needed to be revved nearly twice as high and tended to output less torque and needed steeper gears. It also needed longer cam timing. The Offy for instance made gobs of torque and was great for pulling through the corners. He explained the longer stroke and bigger bore of the Offy did not need extreme RPM to do its job and that in general it preferred perhaps half the RPM for peak torque compared to a V-8 of the same displacement. This gave the 4-cylinder engine a longer time to consume fuel during the power stroke. Indeed all the cycles were twice as long in seconds--for the same displacement. Each cylinder of the four-banger had twice the capacity of a V-8 of the same total displacement. Harold then carried the point further, stating that a 2-cylinder engine had twice the time available to burn its fuel and air as a 4-cylinder of the same displacement because its torque came in at roughly half the RPM of the four and at 1/4 the RPM of the eight. Harold cared more about torque than HP. So the longer the engine has to burn its fuel, the greater will be its inherent efficiency. This is proved easily as Harold and I did it in San Pedro on his engine dynos. We especially had fun playing with his single cylinder Research Engine with variable compression to measure octane. Harold made racing gas. So if you see a mention of a four being more efficient with fuel, it is with the same displacement--not at the same RPM. I have wished many times to own one of the Offy engines today. I wish. You can still see them at the Racing Museum at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway.

There is a down side to longer burn periods. The burn starts with the spark plug or when the diesel injection begins. It should continue until the exhaust valve(s) open. If the fuel is not high enough in octane rating and the time of the burn is long, it could detonate because of the appearance of a secondary flame front. In a diesel, knock is avoided with little or no lag time by using fuel that combusts easily--the opposite of a gasoline engine. In some cases more than one flame front can appear. This is called abnormal combustion. It must be avoided through proper combustion chamber design and good fuel characteristics. But the longer burn time allows all of the mixture to be consumed and maybe produce higher Thermal Efficiency. At least with longer durations in seconds, the probability is there that most or all the fuel will get burned correctly. A lot of randomness prevails in the combustion chamber. No two burns are exactly the same. Engine design can be argued but in the final analysis, you build one and see what happens. Right now I am putting together a pair of one-cylinder research engines to test fuels. Plus a Neon 4-banger to evaluate mileage products. I would like to get a diesel eventually.

The way to do proofs of the above items is to measure the SFC or specific fuel consumption on several engines. This is the right way to test fuels. If done correctly, fewer cylinders give more dependable SFC readings than engines with more cylinders. The engine dyno facility we are building will have two single-cylinder engines and at least one four-banger. No V-8 engines. All the tests will be read on camera and the data fed to a computer for immediate analysis. A history will be kept for some period of time, including fuel properties, additive properties, air and climate readings, torque, HP, speed, load and any special devices being examined. We will investigate ethanol and give you the truth. We will try to make very exact conclusions that can be repeated if necessary at a later time. Using a V-8 would be a waste of time.

Thus what you will find in real life is that 4-cylinder engines with stick shifts are more likely to grant better mileage than six or eight-cylinder engines. An automatic tranny eats up fuel and is down at least 5 MPG in some cars. A good 4-banger is what you should buy for mileage. We just acquired a one-cylinder test engine for fuels. You will hear more about this later when we conclude tests with tetramethylbenzene. My personal ideal engine configuration is an O-2 or 2-cylinder opposed with no valves, no removable cylinder head and many other beautiful innovations. None of the components would be made from the common automotive materials we have today. Such an engine would test the extreme limits of Thermal Efficiency. And it would run very different fuels. Stuff you have never dreamed of.

We prefer 2-3 oz. acetone per ten US gallons in gasoline and 2 oz. per ten US gallons in diesel fuel. We place this amount in our cars and suggest friends use the same amount for every tankful. It has been reported that we only add acetone every other tankful. That was for test purposes only. We normally do the acetone every tankful. There exists a condition called persistence where some effect remains despite the removal of the primary cause. We have a pyrex measuring bowl for all the ingredients to mix before pouring it into the tank. The mix should include a tiny amount of xylene (XYLOL) at about 1 oz. per 10 gallons of gasoline. We are currently using the same amount of acetone and xylene per 10 gal. of gas after much verification by many people. But please test for yourself. To carry this concept further, we finished tests with the BrightGreen Fog Squirter to automatically inject the correct amount of additive into the engine. This means you need not put additives into the gas tank. This excellent device is being sold for cars and trucks. Call 612-345-5085 or see BrightGreen.Us.

Note the amount of acetone to use has been misrepresented in other sites by 100 to 200 times too much--probably to discourage its use. Stick to the correct values given here. Please disregard information on other sites by non-experts or by unscrupulous persons. All devices or additives that improve mileage are liable to be attacked by those who stand to lose big money if engines last too long. Mileage and long engine life go together. For instance the car dealers are afraid of losing new car sales. Mechanics are afraid of losing repair work. Oil companies are afraid of losing gasoline and diesel fuel sales. It is sad that the Nation's urgent need for better fuel economy is not considered important by many in power. Global Warming is being totally ignored. No matter, at least our friends' and family cars have doubled their MPG and greatly reduced pollution. We get a lot of smug satisfaction from these very nice facts. You have a limited time to act, Folks. After that it will be too late.

A few years ago there was one solitary site talking about acetone. Just one. This one. Now there are suddenly 80,000+ sites promoting acetone and mileage in general. They have copied much of my material but in the course of copying my copyrighted text, they try to make word changes and damage the original meaning as they introduce their own peculiar inaccuracies into the highly technical and accurate original writing. If it comes from a different source, it might not be correct and might be untrue. Beware of that fact. Check with the original. Plus we make frequent changes to this material as we keep on testing. See the article APPROACHING FOOTSTEPS.

Some unreliable and perhaps crooked persons have called me names and ridiculed my technical statements on their own sites BECAUSE they have products they are selling and consider my writing to be a threat or competition. So they resort to cheap nonsense just to make money. The worst part is their products are likely to be in the 98% the EPA says are worthless. Their language may superficially look like mine, but it was ripped off. DO NOT fall for the hype, especially when their language is loaded with misspelled words and phony pseudo-technical explanations.

A reader in New York in early 2004 filled bottles with varying amounts of acetone, half acetone/gasoline and straight gasoline. He carefully miked a number of O-rings, pump diaphragms, pieces of fuel hose and other n-buna stuff--then placed those parts into the bottles. A couple of months later, he dried and miked the parts again, finding the growth in some parts to be about two to five-percent in all three bottles. We duplicated these tests and found swelling with 100-percent. But with 10-percent and lower, there was no swelling and no problems. Nobody should ever attempt running 100-percent acetone. I constantly test parts outside in various mixes of chemicals that remain in bottles for long periods. And it is totally pointless to test parts in 100-percent of anything. Nobody runs 100-percent. It is always a mix. After six months in 10-percent acetone, the New Yorker checked all the parts again and found nothing abnormal. I suggest a mix of one-percent and five-percent for a realistic compatibility study. Still, that is 3 to 15 times too much acetone. You would never actually use that much. He basically repeated my old compatibility tests from the 50s and 60s. In our opinion, people who worry about these things should do their own tests and not trust the words of others. Bad gasoline is our enemy and we must search for ways to fight bad gas. Read my article on Dangerous Fuels. The quality of gasoline has dropped in recent years and now includes traces of sulfur that can make your gas gauge not read correctly.

The government of Vietnam banned the use of acetone in their fuels. They claimed it damaged the rubber in fuel systems. But there is no rubber in fuel systems. In tires and coolant systems, yes. But fuel systems have n-buna and neoprene that resist over 200 ingredients in gasoline, including acetone. They wanted to stop people from getting a slight increase in mileage and hurt their profits--just like a capitalist oil company. Their oil industry is owned by the state. So they lied. They lied a lot in the past, you recall. In recent days, I heard comments that are just plain silly lies. Acetone is corrosive and will eat up metal parts. That one made me laugh. Acetone will speed up combustion and wreck your engine. That one is the opposite of the truth. Acetone will wear out your engine. Hilarious, because my 1964 Ford Econoline van went 567,285 miles after digesting more acetone than any other of my vehicles over a 25 year period. Acetone will damage engine parts and cause them to leak. That is odd because I have never noticed any leakage or smelled it in over 50 years. The guy who tried to tell me this stuff worked for an ethanol producer. One cannot help but wonder where he received his training, if any.

An excellent way for us to team up against bad gas is to force a vote in each state of this democracy so the voters can decide if they want ethanol in the gasoline and diesel fuel. You do not want ADM or Cargill making that decision. We cannot let politicians make that decision for us. These guys are lawyers, not engineers. Thus far they have sold us down the river of alcohol. The lobbyists for the Corn Growers Association have bought and paid for the existing rulings in favor of ethanol. The vote is a powerful device in this supposedly free country. Use it. But WHY do so many in government want ethanol? It seems to be for profit. There is enormous profit to be made if you jump on the business bandwagon for ethanol. There are HUGE subsidies from government to produce ethanol or to import ethanol from abroad. Profit is the main reason why we are forced to use this lousy product in our cars, not because it is any good.

Face it. YOU are to blame for the high prices. YOU are to blame for the poor mileage. YOU are to blame for the ethanol. Who else is there? Why do you tolerate it? When was the last time you wrote to your senator and complained about bad mileage? When was the last time you organized a writing campaign to protest the mileage situation? Because it WILL get worse and fuel IS running out. Are you going to wait until the glaciers are licking at your doorstep? It is now open knowledge that 75-percent of the farmland in Minnesota is down to 58-percent moisture content due to the heat that seems to get worse every year. Soybeans and corn are becoming harder and harder to grow to maturity. The yields are way down from what they were ten years ago. The paper ran a story today on how bad the crops are becoming each year. This is real. This is happening. The U/M in St. Paul released a story last week of how ethanol is not the answer and that corn is becoming a very unlikely crop as a source of fuel. On top of that, half of the ethanol we use is being imported from Europe, according to the Wall Street Journal. Plans are afoot to import ethanol from Brazil and destroy more of the forests. This helps who?

Please read the companion articles Science and Testing Methods in the SmartGas series. We are quite willing to show people HOW to conduct valid tests. Many people condemn my findings without ever conducting a single test. That is not logical. Proper test methods are far from obvious. Good testing is half the battle. Also see Practical Mileage in SmartGas.net. The latest additions to the articles is "When the Cars and Machines will Stop" from 1952 that deals with the end of oil in 2020 and the "Future of Fuels."

Please do not think there is just one thing to do for great mileage. A number of things must be done and these are outlined in other SmartGas articles. The right spark plugs are NGK. The right oil is Torco. The right thermostat is 195. The right oil filter is Baldwin or Donaldson. Find the best gasoline station in your area--preferably one without alcohol. THEN we add a little acetone to the fuel. Or these items may be done concurrently. I fear you will not get great mileage by putting acetone in bad gas. At least we never have. So that is the general methodology we regularly use. We try things over and over. We cannot speak about things we have not actually tried. The first thing you notice with acetone is much smoother running, easier starts and a little more power. Those are the qualitative aspects of a good additive. A quantitative aspect is the numerical MPG, which will take time and effort to determine because you need an accurate history of your old parameters and previous MPG so you have something to compare against. Most people have no idea what a control device might be or understand proper testing methods. That control can be done in two ways. You obtain a baseline and history without the item being tested and then with. Test what you have now and find the best gas station. Most people cannot wait and breathlessly jump into the acetone right away, eager to find huge jumps in mileage. However you are looking for patterns when you test--not miracles. You check only one thing against another. One thing at one time. You keep an unbiased record and you are consistent. A ScanGauge is a necessary improvement in road testing.

There is no question that acetone improves MPG. The real question is how much?

Acetone is the secret additive for mileage. Containers labeled acetone from a hardware store are usually NOT okay to put in your fuel. We prefer cans or bottles that say 100% pure. But stay away from containers that have BENZOATE in the acetone or anything else. This ester is used to prevent vaporization in the bathroom. Not good for MPG. The very best place to buy pure acetone is at any beauty supply store. At partrs stores look for the Dupli-Color brand in quart cans. Never use clear plastic to hold gasoline or acetone. The plastic isopropyl bottles we use to hold acetone are great. We reuse the ONYX bottles over and over. The Torco 12 oz. EAL plastic bottles are nice for holding acetone. But never use an engine oil bottle. The best bottles for this purpose are never clear or cheap plastic. We refill these 16 oz. and 12 oz. bottles and keep them handy. The beauty supply bottles are very easy to pour. We also buy xylene (xylol) in gallon and quart cans. The gallon cans should have a spout from a hardware store to pour easier. NEVER use solvents such as paint thinners, kerosene or unknown stuff in your gas as that can foul the plugs. When filling bottles with gasoline or any fuel, keep a fire extinguisher handy. We do. Never use chlorinated hydrocarbons inside any engine. They can dissolve metal parts. Toluene, benzene and xylene are okay if they are pure but may not raise mileage except when mixed with acetone. The author has used ACETONE in gasoline and diesel fuel and in jet fuel (JP-4) 50 years ago. He was the first to do so for mileage and has tested fuels independently and is an authority on this important subject.

Acetone broadens (widens) the limits of combustibility of a fuel. This means the fuel will burn at a leaner mix as well as with a richer mix than with the previous fuel sans acetone. And when it burns, the acetone mix does NOT burn faster than the base fuel but it will burn far more completely and leaves far less unburned fuel when the exhaust valve opens. Plus the ignition sequence will initiate first stage combustion with a wider flame front for a more positive combustion. The positive combustion translates into greater Thermal Efficiency. Acetone is not the only chemical that performs this well on MPG. There are other chemicals that do this job too. It's just that acetone is readily available in hardware and paint stores. Because acetone burns so slowly, it can in tiny amounts raise the octane level of the gasoline. Your car's computer is no dummy. It may detect that the fuel is burning with insufficient flame velocity if you add too much acetone. But then the computer may advance the spark timing to compensate and power will pick up, as well as MPG. The process takes time to get the timing optimized again. Our dyno facility will use engines with manual distributors with TBI or floatless carburetors to avoid typical computer problems. We will test fuel saving devices and fuel additives. We will test oils on our lube testers, not our engines. Several engines have been donated to us. Two one-cylinder engines and a four-cylinder engine--all for fuel testing. This is a great start. See the article on Dangerous Fuels.

A tiny bit of acetone in diesel fuel WILL stop the black smoke when the rack is all the way at full throttle. Good acetone will greatly reduce emissions in any vehicle. Diesels can benefit from Emissions Credits. We proved that acetone can raise mileage with 3 oz. of acetone per 10 gallons of gasoline, especially in cold weather. So will GP-7. Shake the bottles really well before adding to gas tank. The Torco GP-7 is completely soluble in gasoline or diesel but has partial solubility with acetone. So we add a tiny bit of xylene to the mix. Once in the gas tank, the contents will blend completely with the fuel. Please be aware that cold arctic air or heavy rain conditions prevent accurate mileage testing in the winter. Warm air is great for mileage. Power may increase in cold air for a different reason that has to do with viscosity. Cold air has low viscosity and flows much more readily that hot sticky air. It is the opposite for liquids where cold increases viscosity. Cold or wet air takes heat away from the engine and fuel lines and thus lowers engine efficiency. It shows on the ScanGauge. So you cannot compare testing made in warm weather with testing made during cold weather. You cannot compare tests made under high atmospheric density with tests made under low air density. We cannot compare results where the air temps spread over 30 degrees or when too many variables changed. And never allow skin contact with any of these additives. Nor should you breathe any of this stuff. Read the directions on the can. And of course please use a long ATF funnel to keep these additives off the paint. When we finish our dyno facility, you will see what real data looks like. Honest data.

We heard from a former submarine engineer who used acetone in the diesel fuel so the sub engines would start easier. We hear from marine people whose boats run badly or flat quit due to alcohol in the fuel. We tell them to go to Wisconsin and get Cenex 87-octane gasoline that has NO alcohol and delivers good mileage. In the Dakotas, Wal-Mart, Cenex and Sam's Club 87-octane gas may have no alcohol. In Illinois use Casey gas. Many readers have given us positive comments. Some have given negative comments but without doing any tests. The pattern seems to be that engineers and researchers are nearly all in favor of acetone while mechanics are split or afraid to try for reasons based on myths. Engineers know how to test correctly. The negative comments mainly come from those fearful of acetone for some imagined or invalid reason. Engineers are familiar with chemicals and testing procedures while backyard mechanics are usually not. It makes no sense to throw some chemical into a gas tank, drive a few miles and try the same thing the next day, only to report it did not work. That is not a test. The guys who have tried it with intelligence for a month or two months report favorably. Many of them have ScanGauges. This is not a popularity contest where the most numerous opinion wins. Opinions are worthless without data. Think of the inflation situation due to the looming fuel cost our Nation is facing. Do fair testing. You cannot go to a station offering bad gas or mix different gasolines and be fair. You should realize there are 55 major variants in gasoline, 220 different ingredients and certain side-restrictions exist where the transport trucker puts in different additive packages at the terminals. Most additive packages work really well with acetone and some may not. That is why the ScanGauge is crucial. You must test the gas station first. That will take time. Then DO NOT use too much acetone. Work slowly up to three ounces per ten gallons. Keep accurate records. Mix the acetone with a little xylene and/or GP-7. The remarkable news about GP-7 (TFE) is the extent to which it reduces emissions by 70-percent or more. This super slippery lube is an amazing product that protects rings and walls like nothing else. It mixes with unburned fuel and forces it to burn efficiently.

Questions asked of someone in the petroleum industry and/or Corn Growers Association regarding ACETONE will automatically trigger a string of negative reactions and perhaps false assertions. The mere mention of this nice additive represents such a threat to fuel profits that you may get fabricated denials against the successful use of acetone in fuels. They are by no means honest. For this reason, test the stuff for yourself. The author has never found any valid reason for not using acetone in gasoline or diesel fuel. Plus it takes such a tiny amount to work. No wonder they fear this cheap and common additive. They do not fear other additives like they do acetone. And the reason is that IT WORKS so well while others may not. Of course you might Email this article to your congressman because clearly ACETONE should be ordered by Federal Law to be present in all fuels. This is the consensus of ALL fuel researchers who have contacted us in recent months regarding acetone and other additives that we are still evaluating. Certain technical individuals have been willing to share their fuel technology with us. And we agree. It will all prove interesting by the end of summer.

Beware of PILLS that are supposed to dissolve in gasoline. NEVER put solid materials into your gas tank. Not all will dissolve. That means the abrasive stuff will ruin your fuel pump, clog your filters, wreck your injector nozzles and turn your oil into grinding compound. Besides, the moth balls and similar abrasives do NOT improve mileage. Nor do magnets improve mileage as this is one of the most common scams these days. Ever since I was a kid there have been various magnet scams turning up or cars that run on water or employ water sprays or other silly notions. Beware of gasoline additives that make your engine KNOCK or THUD. I tried one such additive (FFT) a year or so ago and it nearly ruined my engine from the explosions it created at low speeds. I had to drain the gas tank.

There is a great little device available to check your exact gas mileage, diesel mileage, coolant temperature and more. See ScanGauge.com for a very timely instrument that fits any car 1995 or newer on gasoline or diesel. Watch your real-time MPG, inlet temperature and many more details as you drive. This inexpensive tool should end a lot of debate over what works for mileage and what does not. It works like a lie detector. We can check gas stations with the ScanGauge because we only need several gallons to see how that fuel behaves for MPG. Not a complete gas tank worth is needed. Then we run it dry and start over at a different gas station. We use the TRIP function to average the MPG at a steady 50 MPH both ways on the same day on the same road within one hour. Since every gas station offers differing MPG, the ScanGauge is an essential tool. It simply grants the Truth to become obvious because there are over 50 different gasolines sold in the United States. Then there exist a wide variety of additive choices at the terminals that affect quality. Trucks then distribute gasolines to the gas stations. There are further choices according to what month it is. For some unknown reason, the industry insists on claiming all gasolines are the same. The same? Okay, then why does my ScanGauge mislead me by such a wide spread? It is reasonable that a mileage device like this should be required on every car in every state in the country. The time for Truth in mileage has come.

There are of course other additives that improve mileage but these have been internally black-listed by the petroleum industry because anything that improves mileage is automatically forbidden. Propane, xylene, GP-7, mesitylene, neohexane and neopentane are excellent MPG additives. With any of these are in your gas, you can feel the difference. The industry could easily add these ingredients into gasoline and diesel fuel. But will they dare to improve your mileage? NO. Our few good senators have to be the ones to force the industry to start putting these ingredients into fuel for the sake of halting Global Warming. I am further informed they are taking out other good additives from gasoline.

You just have to stumble onto the fuel mileage secrets all by yourself, like we have. Certain octane improvers for example also aid mileage. But unfortunately many products claiming to improve mileage are expensive and do not really help much. Others are outright fakes. For instance, a smooth flow of air into a carburetor or injector is far better for mileage than turbulent air. Yet many people deliberately introduce swirling, turbulent air into their engines. This approach will reduce MPG. There are many silly myths floating around the car industry to fool the average person. Another is that cold intake air improves mileage. NOT SO. The magnet craze is plain absurd. Warm air and/or warm fuel improves mileage. Cold air might increase power but not mileage. Warm air raises the Thermal Efficiency (TE) of the engine whereas cold air causes a drop in Thermal Efficiency. TE is the key to mileage. Diesels get over 33% TE. Gasoline engines may get 25% but with ethanol in the fuel, the TE drops to below 20%. Diesel has 139,000 BTU per gallon. Good gasoline has 124,000 BTU per gallon or more. Ethanol has 71,000 to 73,500 BTU per gallon. These facts are not well known. Nevertheless, BTU content and the degree of vaporization mostly determine MPG.

We can stop Global Warming. Getting TWICE the existing mileage is the key to greatly reduce the runaway heating effect from carbon dioxide being pumped across the Earth. Just remember this simple fact. Mileage = conservation = low pollution.

Test for yourself. Take a mileage check for each and every tank of gas or diesel fuel like we do. Your actual mileage is NOT that of a single tankful but the average of perhaps five tanks worth. To be accurate, you should not miss any checks. This takes discipline to get reliable results. Someday your car will do it for you with an MPG gauge on the dash. But for now, YOU ought to keep tabs on your mileage for all our sakes. The ideal auto would save the MPG of your last tank of gas on your instruments. Be consistent where you buy your gasoline because different gasolines vary tremendously. The best gas and the worst gas in your neighborhood will likely have a 30-percent spread in mileage, according to the author's experience. Readers report the same experiences. Same for diesel fuel. Try to keep down the number of variables wherever you gas up by using the same station, same pump, same grade or same octane before testing. In almost all cases, the lowest octane is best for mileage. Most modern vehicles do not have high enough compression to justify using high octane fuels. The testing indicates best mileage is usually obtained with 87-octane gasoline. Too much octane causes a loss of power and economy. BUT too little octane causes the same misbehavior plus knocking. Best mileage points to the correct octane when the engine is properly tuned. Pure acetone was rated in 1920 by Sir Harry Ricardo at 150-octane. Acetone turned out to be an excellent additive to reduce exhaust emissions in both gas and diesel engines as well as to improve combustion and lengthen engine life.

The question we often hear is, "Will it harm my engine?" We feel like saying, "YES, it will blow up." But instead we patiently explain how over five decades, we have never seen a problem with acetone. Would anyone use something more than once if it were harmful? Think about that. We are asking you to test accurately. Only an oil company stooge would say anything negative about this nice additive. Or perhaps a naive person with no experience with testing procedures. The engine still thinks it is running straight gasoline. The amount of acetone is extremely tiny and only affects the vaporization characteristics. Furthermore the acetone in fuel does not evaporate out of it. Gasoline itself tends to evaporate readily. Your modern car does not allow vapors to escape. The strong solubility of acetone keeps the acetone in the fuel unless the base fuel evaporates. Once the tiny concentration of acetone is in the fuel, it stays there. At this moment I have a 50-50 mix of acetone and gasoline outside for five days in a can to clean some parts. It has been 100-degrees out there and the mix is still fairly clean and has not evaporated. The smell of the acetone is still strong and the parts are clean.

The MYTH of piston damage is the latest rumor the mongers have dreamed up. This one popped up just a week or so after the acetone news became known to the general public. It is amazing that it took so little time. One wonders how such long range testing was accomplished so quickly. Was a test lab sitting somewhere with nothing to do? But I am not gullible and require specific data. Which part of the piston goes bad? The piston skirt is quite well lubricated and often gets too much oil. The pins receive more than ample oil. The ring lands and grooves are normally bathed in gasoline in the absence of acetone. Gasoline floods the cylinder walls that are harmed. Maybe the rings and walls are getting damaged from acetone. Well, let's see. If acetone is in the gasoline, then gasoline would have to reach the part in question. But gasoline will never reach these parts if acetone is present because acetone forces the fuel in the chamber to fully combust rather than saturate the rings and pistons. This means acetone and the fuel that carries the acetone will leave the rings alone. Only if the fuel does NOT contain acetone will the fuel swamp the rings and pistons to cause damage. Thus acetone and piston damage are mutually exclusive. People who spread these rumors are just plain stupid in my opinion. And I wonder why they do it. Would it not make more sense to try to improve mileage and engine life? If they are simply confused, all they have to do is call. Especially with gasoline at three bucks a gallon and climbing. The fact remains that no engine can be efficient unless the fuel contains some acetone.
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In 1990, I took my 1964 Ford Econoline engine apart after it died in minus 80-degree windchill when the water pump froze. That engine had digested more acetone than any other of my vehicles before or since. After 567,000 miles, the engine had a whopping .004 to .007 wear on the cylinder walls. That does not sound like it suffered any piston or valve damage in 20 years of my prolific driving all over creation. In eleven years of extensive driving with my Neon, some signs would have shown up by now but the thing just keeps running like a new car. Car after car after car would have shown something from the use of acetone. Wait, something did show up. The use of acetone greatly improved mileage AND engine life.

The MYTH of valve burning and its reasons had roots back when older cars were tuned by hand and mechanics did lots of things wrong when they adjusted the settings. Now computers try to do that job. The popular myth might have its origin after seeing an acetylene torch cut through steel. Not stainless though. A torch won't normally cut stainless. Lead in the gas prevented damage to valves back then. Experience on dynos shows a lean mixture might lead to misfires that occur every other cycle and give a tell-tale bang out the exhaust. It is well known that a lean mixture COOLS combustion chamber temperatures and delays peak pressures. The peak temperature near TDC happens when the cylinder is running at or slightly richer than a stoichiometric mixture. Too rich or too lean drops the peak temps. Lean mixes and/or late timing can cause slow combustion and overheating of the coolant and perhaps the exhaust valves. Late timing can lead to valve burning but these days your computer prevents late timing. Modern exhaust valve steels and induction hardened seats are designed to withstand warting and last forever without lead in the gas. But the slow burns from lean mixtures may exit past the exhaust valve still burning and ignite unburned fuel in the pipe, muffler or catcon. Note that a diesel engine idles at 100:1 AFR. Now THAT is lean. At part throttle, a diesel may have 50:1 AFR. They do not burn valves with these lean ratios that are many times leaner than a gas engine. There is no harm to diesel pistons or other engine parts from running such ultra lean mixtures. Hmmmm.What DOES hurt engine parts is late timing or running cold thermostats. But distributors are gone now. Modern cars have computers to adjust mixture and engine parameters without human help. Many sensors feed their data to the computer and the computer does what it is programmed to do. Unless someone tampers with a car computer or the sensors, the engine will behave properly. There is a strong relationship between good mileage and engine performance. For example, too lean of a mixture would NOT give good mileage. How could it? Fuel can go unburned out the exhaust with lean mixtures. You need the RIGHT mixture. When your ScanGauge says you are getting excellent mileage, your engine will last the longest possible. So it is NOT possible to damage valves or anything else at peak mileage. Back in San Pedro, we ran engines for days at a time under load with acetone while testing specific fuel consumption rates. We kept them at peak economy without problems in both gas and diesel engines. These quite obvious details should be known. Please, had any problems showed up during decades of testing, this material would not exist and YOU would not be reading this. So please do your own testing? Do not take self-serving opinions seriously.

If we had found engine damage, it would be mentioned here. But we never have. Not from using acetone because the engines last longer and run much smoother. We had lots of bad valves and pistons while using nitromethane in fuelers and nitropropane in race cars. That was to be expected. But we know exactly what the cause was in every case. Those are dangerous fuels. Acetone is rather safe unless you breathe it or drink it. In fact with these tiny, itsy-bitsy, extremely minute amounts, the engine still thinks it is running straight gasoline. Apparently some people are releasing mileage additives into stores that contain acetone. These new products might not be patented, due to the fact acetone is now in the public domain.

In general, engine parts CANNOT be affected when you actually have great MPG. High mileage actually prevents engine wear. High mileage is the ideal state for long engine life due to burning the fuel completely. Your fuel mixture is not changed with acetone. Lubrication is improved due to less wasted fuel being available around the rings and pistons. The compression ratio and timing are not changed. The basic fuel is not changed. The computer settings are not altered. The engine parameters remain as they were. The engine operating temp is still the same. The general RPM is still in the same range. The valve clearances are the same. The same hydraulic lifters and camshaft are still there. The gasoline remains 99.70% gasoline.

My old Ford van went 567,000 miles BECAUSE tons of acetone went through it during 20 years, until December 1989. The cylinder wear was a mere .004 to .007 inches when we removed the head a few months after the engine froze during minus 80-degree wind chill. My 1995 Neon has run lots of acetone (and Torco Oil) and still is like new at 150,000 miles, except for a little oil leak at the head gasket. Numerous cars of mine and friends have been run with acetone during the past 40 years and NO damage was ever caused except for accidents such as fires and driving off cliffs and other mishaps. The list is too long to mention. My Neon is by far the best car I have ever owned for MPG. It has superb high speed handling and comfort. That is the honest Truth. Just the facts are given here.

Pure acetone or propanone is an extremely clean burning fuel that burns in air with a pretty blue smokeless flame. Acetone is a highly flammable liquid. It also removes most paint. Do not get it on your paint and do not take it near a flame or spark. Acetone can reduce hydrocarbon emissions up to 60-percent. In some older cars such as my 1986 GMC, the HC readings with acetone dropped from 440 PPM to 195, as just one example. Acetone is toxic to breathe and should be stored outside, not inside your house. Gasoline by itself is also highly toxic, so treat them both with respect and great care. Just a precaution. The author has soaked carburetor parts in gasoline/acetone mixes for months and even years to see if there is any deterioration. None. Gasoline and/or acetone will dissolve paint and cheap plastics. Any parts made to run with gasoline will work with acetone just fine. Besides we are using tiny amounts per gallon. Just a few ounces per ten gallons of gas. Ethanol has been shown to be corrosive in an engine yet they put THAT garbage into gasoline. Alcohol in general is anti-mileage but the oil company stooges claim it is wonderful. Most of the alcohol that enters your gas came here from Europe as stale wine. The myth of renewable energy has been milked by the Big Guys as much as possible. They know that alcohol is no good in fuels. Look at what happened in Brazil. Millions of engines and fuel systems were ruined in that country by alcohol. But do the Big Guys want your engines to last? No, of course not. They want you to buy new vehicles to keep their production lines productive. Now it appears that greedy strategy may have backfired on them. People want cars with better MPG. People want Neons, Toyotas and Hondas. Not Hummers. Hummers are bummers WRT mileage.

One detail in modern cars needs attention. The computers on some cars are apparently sabotaged against an increase in MPG. There is some number constant in the computer memory that when the car attempts to exceed that value, the computer enriches the mixture to defeat the mileage boost. This is a form of robbery of the public. Many instances of an inability to exceed a fixed MPG might be traced to this subtle sabotage. I hear from guys who bragged to their mechanic or service manager that they were getting great mileage, but when they picked up the car after simple maintainence, the MPG was down by 5 or more. That is a rotten abuse by the dealer, if the stories are true. Why might this be a real policy? Because with better MPG, the longer the engine lasts--and the less likely the owner will trade for a new car. We are trying to track cars that do not respond to acetone for this very reason.



Shown is the percentage MILEAGE GAIN when a tiny amount of acetone is added to fuel. The curves A B C show the effect on three different cars using different gasolines. Some engines respond better than others to acetone. It is important to use the same gasoline from the same gas station when testing mileage otherwise you have too many variables and get undependable results. The D curve is for diesel fuel. Too much acetone may decrease mileage slightly due to adding too much octane to the fuel. Acetone helps the fuel become a vapor more easily inside the chamber and minimizes wasted fuel. Acetone helps gasoline that contains ethanol. Acetone offers total combustion of fuel in any kind of engine.

The A curve is with a 1995 Neon. The B curve is with a 1986 GMC. The C curve is with two Caravans, 1990 and 1997.

After you find the right amount for your car per ten gallons, and you are happy with your newfound mileage, you may one day cease using acetone for a couple of tanks. Watch the drop in mileage. It will amaze you. That reverse technique is one of the biggest eye openers concerning the use of acetone in fuel. For example in recent weeks I stopped using acetone in my Neon. At a steady 50 MPH, my old MPG delivered 48-52 per my ScanGauge averages. That was the maximum with acetone. Then the next four fills at half empty gradually came down to 43-44, 37-38, 33--34 and 30-31. The last is slightly higher than what the car delivered originally or 27-29. Same gas. The trouble with consistent mileage tests is the cold weather. This reverse test method will be repeated in the spring with new oil and some other additives in the acetone that I am working on. No trick mileage stuff was used in this particular exercise. Just straight Texaco 87-octane gasoline. Now of course I use Cenex. The lesson here is to TEST, TEST and RETEST.

What can we do? For one, do not buy a new car. Instead fix your old car if it is in reasonably good shape. Do not trade it in because you get nothing for it. Fix your cars according to our tips and double your mileage. It is easy to do. I have done it many, many times. See our articles on Mileage Tips and MPG Quickies.

Complete vaporization of normal fuel is far from perfect in today's cars. A certain amount of fuel in most engines remains liquid in the hot chamber and slides past the rings into the oil. Of course the liquid fuel then ruins the rings and walls as it enters the crankcase to further damage the lubricating ability of the oil. In order to become a true gas and be fully combusted, fuel must undergo a phase change. Still, fuel needs a kick of some kind to transform from big globs into a full vapor.

Acetone provides that kick with its rapid inherent molecular vibration that prevents fuel from escaping the combustion process and going through unburned. In the chart above, we see how little acetone in ten gallons it takes to help combust nearly all your fuel. Vacuum is the best friend your engine has to get your fuel fully vaporized. At part throttle the manifold vacuum may reach 20 inches of mercury. This important vacuum aids in breaking up the larger fuel particles and overcoming some of the disadvantages of surface tension and the London Effect. Remember a slight amount of heat amplifies the surface tension of the fuel molecules because the heat is spread across the outside of the large clumps of fuel. This draws the clumps and blobs tighter together. Just look how drops form on a hot plate. But a large amount of heat may not reach the inner-most molecules within many of the clumps. The insides of all the clumps must be broken up for complete combustion. Acetone does that chore. But acetone is not alone. Tert butanol looks really good.

The other hints and tips we give you are also important for great MPG.

A hot plate is a good way to test for water in your gasoline. Water, ethanol and gasoline have high surface tension that causes drops of these liquids from an eyedropper to ball up and dance around on the surface of the hot plate. Bob Lancaster (Torco) showed me this little trick back in 1968. There is some microscopic moisture in all fuel and oil. But the less, the better. You might expect the fallen drops to vaporize on the hot plate. But they do not. Instead they ball up to conserve their energy. When they finally vaporize, they cool and lose energy to the medium they are in, such as air. So a tiny bit of acetone will prevent the balling up and you see instant vaporization with drops of fuel. With lubricating oil, the balling up effect (when there is water present) still goes on but you will see a lighter color of the oil balls with more water content present. If the discoloration is severe, do not use that oil in your engine. Water in the oil can KILL the lubricating ability of the oil and do harm to the engine parts. Guess what? Alcohol in the gasoline always winds up in the crankcase oil along with the water it pals up with. So alcohol in gasoline leads to engine damage as well as bad MPG. You can smell the alcohol in gasoline. Alcohol makes the fuel smell weird. Good gas has a far less nasty odor and smells cleaner.

Most fuel molecules are sluggish when bundled inside a fuel particle. For instance the energy barrier from surface tension (along with the London Effect) can sometimes force some water molecules to reach 300 degrees before they vaporize. Similarly with gasoline, alcohol and water. So any amount of water in the fuel is a killer to achieving proper combustion. Water soaks up the heat that otherwise would operate on the fuel and air to generate a reaction. Fuel is commonly forced to reach excessive temperatures to vaporize. Your jump in mileage with acetone comes from the (former excess) fuel that now gets burned and no longer winds up in the crankcase. You stop the waste and end engine wear. That excess fuel was previously wasted past the rings or sent out the tailpipe but now (with acetone) it gets burned. Conventional fuels are not designed to fully vaporize or fully combust. This simple fact appears to be deliberate on the part of the oil companies although some companies such as Texaco, Chevron and Cenex deliver excellent gasoline mileage (in the opinion of the author) and in view of repeated test results.

On numerous trips across the country in a 1995 Neon, my son calculated the mileage and we ran a consistent 49 MPG with Texaco, Shell or Chevron. Often we had 45-50 MPG in town driving. With a special MAX WARMER device in the Neon, we reached 51-56 in city driving. In fact we are testing several versions of different devices in our new dyno facility. The testing will always continue. If you are interested in the BrightGreen MAX Warmer call or Email to BrightGreen. Write for information to milespergallon@gmail.com. These devices work with gasoline and diesel engines and have shown a boost of 11 MPG in the latest tests on a Mazda pickup and 1996 Olds--both getting over 44 MPG. Other vehicles we work on are able to get over 50. BrightGreen Inc. is in Minneapolis MN. See www.brightgreen.us.

Please note better gasolines will work better with acetone. We try to find the best gas in our area (Cenex) and depend on a ScanGauge to do that job. This gas (no ethanol) is in Wisconsin near the Twin Cities. THEN we introduce acetone in small increments until the mileage peaks. The better condition an engine is in, the better improvement you will see in MPG from the changes proposed here. A poor engin

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I tried it, with different mixtures. All it did was made the exhaust stink.


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yes, a myth that won't go away

perhaps the most successful 'thought virus' to spread through the internet

once, fuels for gasoline engines were important weapons of war

you can now go back and read USA, British, Nazi and Japanese fuel research from WW-II

nearly everything was tried from 1918 to 1945....
yes, including acetone

want to improve your fuel economy
with a fuel related add-on?

Concentrate on raising your compression ratio to the max, and compensating for the wide-open throttle detonation with an alcohol/water injection kit, like those sold by Snow Performance, or others

is something being hidden from the USA citizen?

well, it is not really hidden
but our engines are getting about 30% poorer fuel economy than they could get,
if only the compression ratio were raised,
but the present compression ratios are low,
because of the NOx pollution regulations

The HC and CO pollution regulations do not make fuel economy worse

there is some hope on the horizon,
as Honda claims they nearly have perfected a NOx reducing catalytic converter than can operate at lean air to fuel ratios

Re: acetone in da gas????? [Re: Rug_Trucker] #17366
06/06/09 01:34 PM
06/06/09 01:34 PM
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HYDROGEN is great.
loads of power and burns clean.
Mopar even built some vans around H2 in 2002.

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