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Re: acetone in da gas????? [Re: HemiGreg] #17265
09/18/05 08:44 PM
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Got to admit this was one of my favorite threads in a long time.I just thought you were a Hemi junkie ,not a mad scientist.

So what is the answer for lower cost modified or home brewed fuels? I'd actually love to try some of this stuff out.I have access to low buck cars at our dealership all day.Not sure I would want to try it in my truck.

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Im a Hemi junkie, mad scientist, electronics mad man and anything out there excites me as long as its to excess and beyong common sense
best fuel is 89 octane plus a quart of acetone per tank no harm will come of it.
but avoid my home made nitro recipes unless you want some splaining to do to your boss.
Im also heavilly into physics of crystline substances, iron, silicon,eutectic combinations of each and microscopic stuff like electron shells around atoms and diatomic bonding.
Ive done some work on a atom smasher(particle accelerastor) to convert silicon based electronics to saphire and diamond based semi insulator/ conductor thats where 2-3 volt computer chips come from instead of the old 5 volt.
as we speak i have poured liquid oxygen on the asphault outside work and did a nasty burn out and the oxygen and heat of the rubber ignites the oils in the tar and makes a nice show but now I got a clean up job on my Qtr panels from carbon charring.
but it amused the local houndourans who live 40 to a house around here and they dont dare look me in the eyes or ever stay on the street when they see me comming.

Re: acetone in da gas????? [Re: HemiGreg] #17267
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Perfect.I grew up on Long Island years ago.Lived in Lynbrook.I'm afraid if I had remained there we might be a dangerous combination!!

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cool an X LI er.
Im also into heavy duty sound systems 25ooo watts rms in my basement enough to make Nicoli Tesla proud to make an earthquake.
for my college I designed and built a 1.5 million volt tesla coil made lightning in my yard at will but the local power company said it doesent comply with local non industrial zoning for power useage so it went to the copper scrap pile.
I also mess with microwave transmission of modulated waveguides to give headaches to nasty neighbors. but again the town made me take down my pabarolic dish with 12 syncronized maganatrons aiming at him. for some reason all his bushes in the path died and he lost all his hair .
theres hothing you cant do with the right science knowlege!!!!!!

Re: acetone in da gas????? [Re: HemiGreg] #17269
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i would be hesitant to burn non-conventional fuels in stock production engines. mainly due to the fact that they were designed to run only on gasoline and who knows what effects may occur internally. maybe none at all. mainly i've seen alternative fuels act as solvents and eat certain seals. also some alternative fuel concoctions may burn "hotter" or contain contaminates that could damage the engine.


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Re: acetone in da gas????? [Re: 340duster340] #17270
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so why did the gas companys put MTBE and alcohol in their gas??????? now thats troubling.

my solvents are 99.99999% pure the purest grade there is anywhere. not like the stuff you buy.
and acetone Xylene and toluene are already in the gas and more so in race grade gas. and they burn cooler not hotter as they inhibit the flame to explode only wnen the spark ignites it not from compressive heat (aedibatic heat of compression)
or knock or ping as the layman call it.
all gasoline in NY now contains 10% methonal wheather you like it or not and that was to limit the NOX produced when the nitrogen burns .
air we breath and burn is 19.5% oxygen 80 % nitrogen and 1-2% everything else.
so limit the NOX by 10% with Acetone and get
a new hexavalent disbonding instead of contaminated air.
also why do cars run well on propane and compressed natural gas, cause of less nitrogen and moisture containing contaminates mixed in to slow the flame front propergation from spark plug to piston top. thats why quench is important. you need enough new cool intake charge to displace the last load of burned heated gas out of the chamber to bring the equation back into balance.
simple thermodynamics happens in all compressible burning states.
the modern engine is wayyyyy more tolerant of alternative fuels then you might think with hypereutectic pistons, silicon coated fuel lines, butly o rings, stainless fuel lines, non rubber diaphrams, and so on. Im also a Materials scientist by trade believe me its a good thing .
ive looked at all the various burning states with a mass spectrometer and analyzed the residuals in not parts per million but parts per billion and use 5 nines hydrogen and helium as a basic calibration gas. even sometimes use atomic infared abvsorption which gives a wavelength for each element known to man on a spectrometer and I say go for it or youll get left behind running a steam engine powered car. just kidding
im waiting for the refineriery guys to chime in with their refractometers and analysis.
I spend 12 hours a night with this type stuff so im not just hobby ing it we dope silicon chips to several parts per trillion and have to be exact 6 million bucks of parts per shift so theres no room for idle gusses and hypothesis.
see my atricles in the Materials science national library.

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Where can 99.99999% acetone be purchased?


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what does 100% pure on the typical hardwear store can mean then if it isnt really 100% pure?? is there a difference? what other stuff lurks inside the can.?

Re: acetone in da gas????? [Re: HemiGreg] #17273
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i am not questioning your findings. i am just worried for the guy that might read this and put his wife's nail polish remover, draino, kerosene or who knows what in his gas I.C.E. tank.

i am a mechanical engineer and have worked in the auto industry as well as done research in alternative fuels, so i understand what you are doing- maybe not all the chemistry behind it, but i follow you.

i my opinion, if you want cheap fuel, get a diesel and make biodiesel. it is the most tested, easily made and can be run in any diesel engine. plus you might be able to get tax incentives to make/use it. i am actually in the process of applying for a patent on a device that i co-designed to facilitate mass production of biodiesel.

i'm also on long island and i need to figure out how to increase certain bio-fuel properties. maybe you are interested in helping out? currently both my research partner and i are trying to get DOE and NYSERDA funding but its tough to say the least. so far we've been paying out of pocket and have a fully working proto-type.


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Re: acetone in da gas????? [Re: Junky] #17274
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Where can 99.99999% acetone be purchased?




Semiconductor grade, someone's been pilfering from work.

It ain't cheap if you buy it, in fact odds are if you figured the cost of semiconductor grade acetone into to your fuel pricing it will cost more money even IF and I say IF it increases your mileage. That stuff isn't cheap.

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So what if I give the hardware store acetone a try about a quart to a tank you say? Should I try it on an olds 307 that burns a little oil? or am I asking for trouble?

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i don't know about a whole quart? but go to this web site for the original article about the whole thing. http://www.lubedev.com/smartgas/additive.htm it is good reading if anything else.

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Well is this the lsast of this thread? I want to hear more!


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Re: acetone in da gas????? [Re: JD340] #17278
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so..how much does a quart of acetone to 20 gallons of 91 octane gasoline raise the octane?

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guys ive been putting 3oz of acetone per 10 gal ...(from home depot..a gallon is like $3.00)
into my tank for a few months now.
..actually all summer..3oz per 10 gallon my truck holds 25 gallons... so i fill up an 8oz soda bottle and dump it in then fill er up..
...its a 305 gmc 96 model throttle body with the performance chip..
..its a 5 spd and i tow the race car to the track with it.. when i dont put the acetone in the truck it will ping like crazy while tryin to back up or go up a grade from a stop w/ the trailer. 5spd
i dont notice to much of a performance gain.
not sure if its seat of the pants or my imagination..
the truck does tend to idle about 2/300 rpm higher and i saw about 18/25 additional miles per tank full. about the equivalent of running the truck with out a/c..
its more noticable when i dont put it in the tank.
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Re: acetone in da gas????? [Re: cheapstreetdustr] #17280
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I was talking to a couple of guys who use acetone, they add about 2-1/4 ounces to 13 gallons of gas. One of them has done a lot of research and experimentation, they both claim about a 20 percent increase in mileage. According to them, the reason is that acetone breaks the surface tension of the gas, so there is better atomization of the fuel, so it's a more efficient burn. More gas is burned instead of going out the exhaust. Just what I have heard, I think I will try it.

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Maybe that is Greg Anderson's edge.


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Where can 99.99999% acetone be purchased?




Semiconductor grade, someone's been pilfering from work.

It ain't cheap if you buy it, in fact odds are if you figured the cost of semiconductor grade acetone into to your fuel pricing it will cost more money even IF and I say IF it increases your mileage. That stuff isn't cheap.




you cant cept for 60 bucks per gallon ans same for 5 999999 Hydroges 1k $ PER CULINDER.
i WELD A THERMOCOUPLE O RACH OUTLRT PORT SND SET UP FLOW TO MAX COOLNESS OF MIXTURE THST MEAND MAX QUENCH AND MAX POWER THEN ADJUST DISTRIBUTION WITH TINY OIL URNRT NOZZLES WITH GATE VALVES THEN PEAK OUT YUOR MIXTYRE AT FULL LOAD RPM AND BE SURE TO BAKALCE ALL Y THERMOCOUPLES. THOSE oS SENSORS ARE JUNK EVER SEE ONE ON A GOOD DUYN>>>> RUN.
GO MAX OF 10% TO COUJTER ACT THE 10 % METHANOL.
THIS WEEL ITS GOING TO BE 40 DEGREES TIMING, NITRO,vp111, ACRTONE AND 20% PURE OXYGER.
OFF TO THE MOON BABY.

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Quote:

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Where can 99.99999% acetone be purchased?




Semiconductor grade, someone's been pilfering from work.

It ain't cheap if you buy it, in fact odds are if you figured the cost of semiconductor grade acetone into to your fuel pricing it will cost more money even IF and I say IF it increases your mileage. That stuff isn't cheap.




you cant cept for 60 bucks per gallon ans same for 5 999999 Hydroges 1k $ PER CULINDER.
i WELD A THERMOCOUPLE O RACH OUTLRT PORT SND SET UP FLOW TO MAX COOLNESS OF MIXTURE THST MEAND MAX QUENCH AND MAX POWER THEN ADJUST DISTRIBUTION WITH TINY OIL URNRT NOZZLES WITH GATE VALVES THEN PEAK OUT YUOR MIXTYRE AT FULL LOAD RPM AND BE SURE TO BAKALCE ALL Y THERMOCOUPLES. THOSE oS SENSORS ARE JUNK EVER SEE ONE ON A GOOD DUYN>>>> RUN.
GO MAX OF 10% TO COUJTER ACT THE 10 % METHANOL.
THIS WEEL ITS GOING TO BE 40 DEGREES TIMING, NITRO,vp111, ACRTONE AND 20% PURE OXYGER.
OFF TO THE MOON BABY.



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i think he test drinks his fuel before the rest goes to the tank

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