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Small Block Stroker question part 2 #1713284 12/20/14 09:17 PM 12/20/14 09:17 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 523 MN D dustyswinger OP mopar
dustyswinger OP mopar D Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 523 MN	I am ordering a BPE crank and some scat H beams. thanks for the help. I am asking about the cam now. As I said I`m looking for 585 HP. I have the top end off of IMM machine`s 621HP motor that was in Hot Rod. The cam, valve train, heads and intake. I have a 950 holley carb and 1 7\8 hedman hedders. I am not looking for all out power. The cam is 260\266 at .050 with .683/.653 lift and 112 centerline. The other cam I`m looking at is 248\252 and with the 1.65 ratio rocker arms it turns out to .630 lift with a 110 centerline. I don`t know alot about cams but think it would be a better cam for me. What do you guys thnk. Thanks again. Craig

Re: Small Block Stroker question part 2 [Re: dustyswinger] #1713285 12/20/14 11:01 PM 12/20/14 11:01 PM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,906 IL, Aurora A ademon master
ademon master A Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,906 IL, Aurora	best guys to ask is IMM

Re: Small Block Stroker question part 2 [Re: dustyswinger] #1713286 12/20/14 11:04 PM 12/20/14 11:04 PM
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340B5 pro stock Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,532 off the grid	Your best bet is to call a good cam company like Bullet or Racer Brown and let them recommend one. Myself (if it for a 4"stroke)I don't think either cams mentioned is right. Yeah, it's got a smallblock.

Re: Small Block Stroker question part 2 [Re: 340B5] #1713287 12/21/14 01:31 AM 12/21/14 01:31 AM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 523 MN D dustyswinger OP mopar
dustyswinger OP mopar D Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 523 MN	The bigger can is the one that came with the parts of the 621 hp motor from Brian. I'm not looking for that much power, just wondering if the smaller cam would get me where I want to be.

Re: Small Block Stroker question part 2 [Re: dustyswinger] #1713288 12/21/14 01:41 AM 12/21/14 01:41 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,185 PA. pittsburghracer "Little"John
pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,185 PA.	Let me get this right. The engine made 621 HP on a dyno BUT you only want 585 HP. Don't be surprised if the 621 DYNO HP ends up acting like 585 hp when it hits the track. Fantasy dyno numbers usually never end up panning out on the track. Give it a try. 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: Small Block Stroker question part 2 [Re: pittsburghracer] #1713289 12/21/14 01:58 AM 12/21/14 01:58 AM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central RobX4406 I Live Here
RobX4406 I Live Here Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central	Quote: Let me get this right. The engine made 621 HP on a dyno BUT you only want 585 HP. Don't be surprised if the 621 DYNO HP ends up acting like 585 hp when it hits the track. Fantasy dyno numbers usually never end up panning out on the track. Give it a try. That isn't one of the fantasy dynos. Seen more than enough 600+hp engines from others in 3000# cars running 11.00 at 120... LOL 568 at 3350 10.52 570 at 3200 10.36 529 at 3300 10.68 485 at 3350 6.93 in 1/8 All at better than 124-125 (except the 1/8 mile one) If the op wants less hp, put less compression and cam in it.

Re: Small Block Stroker question part 2 [Re: RobX4406] #1713290 12/21/14 02:13 AM 12/21/14 02:13 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,185 PA. pittsburghracer "Little"John
pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,185 PA.	Quote: Quote: Let me get this right. The engine made 621 HP on a dyno BUT you only want 585 HP. Don't be surprised if the 621 DYNO HP ends up acting like 585 hp when it hits the track. Fantasy dyno numbers usually never end up panning out on the track. Give it a try. That isn't one of the fantasy dynos. Seen more than enough 600+hp engines from others in 3000# cars running 11.00 at 120... LOL 568 at 3350 10.52 570 at 3200 10.36 529 at 3300 10.68 485 at 3350 6.93 in 1/8 All at better than 124-125 (except the 1/8 mile one) If the op wants less hp, put less compression and cam in it. You are talking about 35 HP. put the thing together and race it. Didn't read the article but did it have a set of dyno headers on it and the same carb? Corrected HP????? 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: Small Block Stroker question part 2 [Re: pittsburghracer] #1713291 12/21/14 02:18 AM 12/21/14 02:18 AM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central RobX4406 I Live Here
RobX4406 I Live Here Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central	Quote: Quote: Quote: Let me get this right. The engine made 621 HP on a dyno BUT you only want 585 HP. Don't be surprised if the 621 DYNO HP ends up acting like 585 hp when it hits the track. Fantasy dyno numbers usually never end up panning out on the track. Give it a try. That isn't one of the fantasy dynos. Seen more than enough 600+hp engines from others in 3000# cars running 11.00 at 120... LOL 568 at 3350 10.52 570 at 3200 10.36 529 at 3300 10.68 485 at 3350 6.93 in 1/8 All at better than 124-125 (except the 1/8 mile one) If the op wants less hp, put less compression and cam in it. You are talking about 35 HP. put the thing together and race it. Didn't read the article but did it have a set of dyno headers on it and the same carb? Corrected HP????? Most of those were with a set of tti or hooker 5204's and a 950 hp. Same as what was installed in the car. That dyno isn't the infamous westech lottery machine. Cars ran those numbers. Are those not good et's for that HP... they sure are and the MPH was right in line.

Re: Small Block Stroker question part 2 [Re: RobX4406] #1713292 12/21/14 02:27 AM 12/21/14 02:27 AM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	I just dont understand the OP reason to drop 35hp.. if he wants to.. put a smaller carb on it.. the engine was/is a proven piece

Re: Small Block Stroker question part 2 [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1713293 12/21/14 02:54 AM 12/21/14 02:54 AM
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dustyswinger OP mopar D Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 523 MN	I put a 641 HP motor in my car and it went 9.84 at 136 and put the car on the rear bumper leaving from 2000 rpm on a 9 in slick so I'm not looking to do that again. With 500 HP or went 10.43 so I figured 585 would get me low tens without the chance of wrecking the car.

Re: Small Block Stroker question part 2 [Re: dustyswinger] #1713294 12/21/14 02:59 AM 12/21/14 02:59 AM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: I put a 641 HP motor in my car and it went 9.84 at 136 and put the car on the rear bumper leaving from 2000 rpm on a 9 in slick so I'm not looking to do that again. With 500 HP or went 10.43 so I figured 585 would get me low tens without the chance of wrecking the car. Retard the cam some so you loose some torque and a smaller carb.. and you can pull timing

Re: Small Block Stroker question part 2 [Re: dustyswinger] #1713295 12/21/14 03:00 AM 12/21/14 03:00 AM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central RobX4406 I Live Here
RobX4406 I Live Here Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central	Quote: I put a 641 HP motor in my car and it went 9.84 at 136 and put the car on the rear bumper leaving from 2000 rpm on a 9 in slick so I'm not looking to do that again. With 500 HP or went 10.43 so I figured 585 would get me low tens without the chance of wrecking the car. {sarcasm}How ignorant and foolish of you to have a plan.{/sarcasm} LOL

Re: Small Block Stroker question part 2 [Re: RobX4406] #1713296 12/21/14 03:03 AM 12/21/14 03:03 AM
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pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,185 PA.	Switch out the 1.65 rockers for a set of 1.5's 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: Small Block Stroker question part 2 [Re: RobX4406] #1713297 12/21/14 03:08 AM 12/21/14 03:08 AM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 523 MN D dustyswinger OP mopar
dustyswinger OP mopar D Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 523 MN	To me that can seems big. I've thought about taking timing out of it but I don't know about taking HP out of a motor. I just think it might be easier on valve train parts with a smaller cam? Or am I wrong with that?

Re: Small Block Stroker question part 2 [Re: pittsburghracer] #1713298 12/21/14 03:10 AM 12/21/14 03:10 AM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 523 MN D dustyswinger OP mopar
dustyswinger OP mopar D Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 523 MN	It would be cheaper to buy a $315 roller can than buy a set of T&D rockers.

Re: Small Block Stroker question part 2 [Re: dustyswinger] #1713299 12/21/14 03:55 AM 12/21/14 03:55 AM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central RobX4406 I Live Here
RobX4406 I Live Here Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central	Quote: It would be cheaper to buy a $315 roller can than buy a set of T&D rockers. Yes it would.

Re: Small Block Stroker question part 2 [Re: dustyswinger] #1713300 12/21/14 07:54 AM 12/21/14 07:54 AM
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Quicktree I Win Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394	Quote: I put a 641 HP motor in my car and it went 9.84 at 136 and put the car on the rear bumper leaving from 2000 rpm on a 9 in slick so I'm not looking to do that again. With 500 HP or went 10.43 so I figured 585 would get me low tens without the chance of wrecking the car. fix the dang chassis, dropping a few HP is not going to help. 585HP can do the same thing

Re: Small Block Stroker question part 2 [Re: dustyswinger] #1713301 12/21/14 12:50 PM 12/21/14 12:50 PM
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B3422W5 I Live Here B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,718 Portage,michigan	Quote: I put a 641 HP motor in my car and it went 9.84 at 136 and put the car on the rear bumper leaving from 2000 rpm on a 9 in slick so I'm not looking to do that again. With 500 HP or went 10.43 so I figured 585 would get me low tens without the chance of wrecking the car. Sounds to me like you need better shocks, not less power. 69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight 418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4 1.41 best 60 foot 6.60 at 103.90 1/8

Re: Small Block Stroker question part 2 [Re: B3422W5] #1713302 12/21/14 01:25 PM 12/21/14 01:25 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	WHY ask us??? Ask the guy that built it--he knows what is best for that engine period.

Re: Small Block Stroker question part 2 [Re: ] #1713303 12/21/14 02:42 PM 12/21/14 02:42 PM
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viperblue72 top fuel V Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,141 junction city oregon	With the smaller camshaft, it may launch just as hard. You will just have less at the top end.

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