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Re: 470 to 512 [Re: fattire] #1712419
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Read AndyF's threads about his 505" with the EZ heads. He's had them over 800hp, although with some fairly exotic valvetrain. S/F....Ken M

Re: 470 to 512 [Re: EchoSixMike] #1712420
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Read AndyF's threads about his 505" with the EZ heads. He's had them over 800hp, although with some fairly exotic valvetrain. S/F....Ken M




If I recall correctly he was/is using TD rockers..
nothing exotic about them... just good

Re: 470 to 512 [Re: fattire] #1712421
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I'm running out of the box Indy EZ heads now but after port work will these support a 12.5 to 1 512" motor? And what gains do think I would see using the ported heads and going from 975cfm carb to 1050 on the 470"?





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Re: 470 to 512 [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1712422
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I run H.S. rockers and Manton rods with a Scott Brown solid roller, I don't think I will go beyond this level.

Re: 470 to 512 [Re: fattire] #1712423
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I run H.S. rockers and Manton rods with a Scott Brown solid roller, I don't think I will go beyond this level.




I was running a Scott cam in my W-9.. I didnt like it..
it gave up a lot of power.. he was/is big on the wide
LSA like the 112 that mine was

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So what do you run now?

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So what do you run now?




I sold that engine and I sent a blank 48* cam with it
so he can have what ever he wants to run.. I like the
Bullit/Ulradye grinds.. I have a old MP cam in my 416
thats a roundy round solid roller grind with a 105 LSA
and thats where I installed it.. its making 590hp
for my street rod.. its actually more than I wanted
for power since I only want to run 10.0

Re: 470 to 512 [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1712426
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Read AndyF's threads about his 505" with the EZ heads. He's had them over 800hp, although with some fairly exotic valvetrain. S/F....Ken M




If I recall correctly he was/is using TD rockers..
nothing exotic about them... just good





Thought he was running the paired Jesels, that's getting into the semi-exotic stuff, for an EZ head.

Not so exotic on B-1's and up. Just my opinion, obviously nothing set in stone. Heck, I'm looking at putting cut down NASCAR Ti valves into iron heads, just because I can, lol. S/F....Ken M

Re: 470 to 512 [Re: fattire] #1712427
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Fattire, what are the specs on your Scott Brown solid roller?

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Have to dig them up 650-290ish @112 cl. if I remember have not had to mess with it for a while

Re: 470 to 512 [Re: fattire] #1712429
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I'm running out of the box Indy EZ heads now but after port work will these support a 12.5 to 1 512" motor? And what gains do think I would see using the ported heads and going from 975cfm carb to 1050 on the 470"?




JMO.. but I would port the heads... I believe you will
gain more in the head work than you would in the cubes
and more than likely be a fair bit cheaper so you
can invest the extra money elsewhere

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Think I'll do the heads and the bigger carb then see what happens, would need to do the heads for a larger motor anyway.

Re: 470 to 512 [Re: fattire] #1712431
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I've been building and racing Mopar V8 for a lot of years, from street to NHRA class and S/class racing. I have not had a N/A Mopar V8 motor that liked wide LSA including some blown gas street Hemi motors I've tried a lot of different cams in a lot of different motors, all the SB Mopar I've raced or helped race like 106 or closer LSA and the BB, unless intended to be shifted above 8500 RPM like 104 to 110 LSA, not 111 to 114 no matter where the intake lobe center was degreed into The theory of opening the lobe centers up is based on RPM and HP and torque peak, wider LSA (112 or more)looses low speed(below7000 RPM) HP and torque and moves the peak up to a higher RPM like 7500 or higher. Closer LSA below 110, make more power down low, above 4000 RPM and peak sooner, 5500 to 7000 RPM I had a very good Mopar sponsored S/S 4 speed racer (Joe Alread, RIP) tell me years ago to concentrate on the first 100 ft. of the track, he said you get it right and the rest of the track will take care of itself That has worked very well for me Huh, Dominic


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Re: 470 to 512 [Re: fattire] #1712432
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I bet you'd be quicker with a different cam also. Even a 590 purpleshaft with 1.6 rockers installed around 102 would make your motor a torque monster.

Re: 470 to 512 [Re: Cab_Burge] #1712433
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I've been building and racing Mopar V8 for a lot of years, from street to NHRA class and S/class racing. I have not had a N/A Mopar V8 motor that liked wide LSA including some blown gas street Hemi motors I've tried a lot of different cams in a lot of different motors, all the SB Mopar I've raced or helped race like 106 or closer LSA and the BB, unless intended to be shifted above 8500 RPM like 104 to 110 LSA, not 111 to 114 no matter where the intake lobe center was degreed into The theory of opening the lobe centers up is based on RPM and HP and torque peak, wider LSA (112 or more)looses low speed(below7000 RPM) HP and torque and moves the peak up to a higher RPM like 7500 or higher. Closer LSA below 110, make more power down low, above 4000 RPM and peak sooner, 5500 to 7000 RPM I had a very good Mopar sponsored S/S 4 speed racer (Joe Alread, RIP) tell me years ago to concentrate on the first 100 ft. of the track, he said you get it right and the rest of the track will take care of itself That has worked very well for me Huh, Dominic




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Re: 470 to 512 [Re: Thumperdart] #1712434
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Will a tighter LSA change the way it handles on the street? And not to wonder off but any idea on the HP gains I might see from having the heads CNC'D? If not Scott's cam give me a few ideas but I want to stay with a solid roller.

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EZ heads leave a lot on the table in stock form. The standard window on the max wedge port kills flow, just compare the EZ to the EZ-1.
Have them CNC ported by Modern and get a max wedge intake with a minor clean up an additional 100 hp is very realistic.

Re: 470 to 512 [Re: Cab_Burge] #1712436
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I've been building and racing Mopar V8 for a lot of years, from street to NHRA class and S/class racing. I have not had a N/A Mopar V8 motor that liked wide LSA including some blown gas street Hemi motors I've tried a lot of different cams in a lot of different motors, all the SB Mopar I've raced or helped race like 106 or closer LSA and the BB, unless intended to be shifted above 8500 RPM like 104 to 110 LSA, not 111 to 114 no matter where the intake lobe center was degreed into The theory of opening the lobe centers up is based on RPM and HP and torque peak, wider LSA (112 or more)looses low speed(below7000 RPM) HP and torque and moves the peak up to a higher RPM like 7500 or higher. Closer LSA below 110, make more power down low, above 4000 RPM and peak sooner, 5500 to 7000 RPM I had a very good Mopar sponsored S/S 4 speed racer (Joe Alread, RIP) tell me years ago to concentrate on the first 100 ft. of the track, he said you get it right and the rest of the track will take care of itself That has worked very well for me Huh, Dominic




That's strange, went from a 106 to a 112 lsa on my 422 small block and it picked up 6 mph in the qtr. I only shift it at 7200 so I don't turnit that hard. It does go through the traps at 7600 at 162. It seems like all the engine master combos are going to large lsa also.


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Now I'm really confused

Re: 470 to 512 [Re: fattire] #1712438
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Now I'm really confused




I am a power adder guy so it makes sense about lsa. But I do say if you look at a lot of the new builds they are all going bigger lsa.


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