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Right spark plug? #1710465
12/14/14 04:16 PM
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After two years of trying to get it tuned, finally took the advice of many here on Moparts and dumped the Edelbrock 750 carb. Engine is mild 440, stock intake and exhaust manifolds, 10 to 1 compression, little more aggressive cam than stock. Put on an Edelbrock 600 carb and new plugs and it's running better than ever. Plugs that were removed are Autolite 85's. All plugs were black (not wet, but black). Does that mean the 750 was running too rich, or is the plug too cold? Before going to different plug, I'll put some miles on the new carb, then pull a plug and look at it. If I need to go to hotter plug, what would you recommend for this engine?


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Re: Right spark plug? [Re: ChadP] #1710466
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too rich not too cold & the excessive richness might (& very likely) might have been from too much pumping/choke/float setting/needle/seat leaking as opposed to it being jetted too rich but I dont know the OE 750 jetting (if it's rich or lean) or what you have in there now so I am just thinking out loud. There have been some comprehensive plug threads in the past with the gist of em being the cheap offshore materials/stuff being outsourced causing problems. I'd glassbead your Autolite 85's (some ain't OK with that, I am) & toss em back in (or a new set if preferred) & you'll be fine.


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Re: Right spark plug? [Re: ChadP] #1710467
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Re: Right spark plug? [Re: ChadP] #1710468
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After two years of trying to get it tuned, finally took the advice of many here on Moparts and dumped the Edelbrock 750 carb. Engine is mild 440, stock intake and exhaust manifolds, 10 to 1 compression, little more aggressive cam than stock. Put on an Edelbrock 600 carb and new plugs and it's running better than ever. Plugs that were removed are Autolite 85's. All plugs were black (not wet, but black). Does that mean the 750 was running too rich, or is the plug too cold? Before going to different plug, I'll put some miles on the new carb, then pull a plug and look at it. If I need to go to hotter plug, what would you recommend for this engine?


all those 750 and 800 edelbrocks are calibrated way too rich. easy fix.

Re: Right spark plug? [Re: lewtot184] #1710469
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You probably already know this... just in case, Edelbrock carbs are made for around 4-5 PSI fuel pressure, not more or it can overpower the float/needle and dump extra fuel. Generally they require a regulator. Most mechanical and electric pumps p ut out 7+ psi.

Re: Right spark plug? [Re: RapidRobert] #1710470
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Your correct on the glass beading recommendation. I am not a fan of this. I have see the beads wedge themselves in between the porcelain and body. Only removing them with a small pick will work. Who knows what would have happened if the beads where not discovered. An alternative is to buy some carb cleaner. Spray some into a glass jar and immerse the plugs electrode area into the fluid. I usually close the jar and leave it over night. Plugs should come out really clean.

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Re: Right spark plug? [Re: Big Wedge] #1710471
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Ya'll do know plugs aren't really expensive don't you?


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Re: Right spark plug? [Re: mopar346] #1710472
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Ya'll do know plugs aren't really expensive don't you?


I use to buy a set of plug for every weekend at the races(back in the day before good hot race ignitions where developed),I would use the last race weekends set to load and unload the car and then warm the car up and switch them before the first run so the motor wouldn't miss on the first time trial. I ended up with many,many 3 lb coffee cans full of spark plugs that had 6 to 12 runs on them and very little actual running time on them at the track Once I switched the race cars to good ignitions, doing away with the old dual point unassited stock type ignitions, I found that one set of plugs would last a long, long time. Nothing wrong in my book on resuing spark plugs that aren't worn out as long as their cleaned and gapped properly I bought a Champion Brand blaster type spark plug cleaner when my airplane spark plugs got to be $16.00 each, that motor had 12 of them and where usually good for 300 to 500 hours before being worn out enough to have to replace them. I had to remove and inspect them on every 50 hour or annual inspection. The FAA authorised A&P mechanic had to approve reusing them so I would remove them and clean and regapped them before he got there Those where dual massive gap insulated type spark plugs and part of the FAA regulated items on the airplane so they have to pass inspection to be able to reuse them Some of us have to watch what we spend on our toys, some don't I do
OP, can you post a picture of a old spark plug and one of the current ones for us to look at? If so that will help us answer your question on the heat range and spark plug conditions

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i've got coffe cans full of 85's and j11y's,... . no telling how much money i've spent on that stuff.

Re: Right spark plug? [Re: lewtot184] #1710474
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Your basic problem...(drum roll)...ALTITUDE!

ALTITUDE ALTITUDE ALTITUDE!

Missoula MT is at elevation 3200 feet. Your engine was running rich. That's why the plugs are black.

On the carb you are using now, if it is a manual choke carb it is definitely too rich, those are built rich. If it's an electric choke carb it is built lean for economy at sea level, it may be that at 3200 ft it'll be pretty close.

On Holleys I have found one jet size smaller per 1000 ft elevation increase to be about right, for most of their legacy carbs.

I haven't had to work on AFB/AVS carbs so don't know, but Edelbrock is very good about tuning, they have put a lot of information out there.

Start with new plugs and see what you get.

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