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Converter to flex plate distance with mid plate? #1705094
11/30/14 05:46 PM
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So, working on my 572 Hemi, 727 trans mounted in there with a front engine plate and a mid plate between the engine/trans Challenger yesterday. It has been so long I am unsure of the source of some of the parts, and I noticed the converter when pushed all the way into the trans had a much larger gap then I am accustomed to so I measured and it was about 3/8 of an inch. I cannot recall if my converter setup is indeed intended for a car with a mid plate so that seems wrong to me? On the other hand if I took the mid plate out the converter would be literally touching the flex plate since indeed I have a thick aluminum type midplate that appears to be right around 3/8 thick also...

Can someone enlighten me on the proper gap? Is 3/8 ok or will I be too far out of the pump drive when I pull it forward and bolt it up? If it is too far, how do I correct it?

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1975 Trailduster Convertible, 440
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Re: Converter to flex plate distance with mid plate? [Re: moparjimbo] #1705095
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After responding to your other post last night I remember the important thing on converters using a mid plate is to make sure the converter hub on the block side of the converter fits into the crank hub snout properly. Your back spacing on pump engagement is probally fine ( No it is not , it needs to be deeper on second thought )) I use a straight edge laid across the front of the tranny bellhousing area and I measure to the converter mounting lugs, if it is between 5/8 and 13/16 deep I'm good on the converter installation into the pump How thick is your midplate Which brand converter is it? I've seen several race converters that the converter hub was to long , they would bottom out in the crank leaving a gap between the flex plate and the mounting lugs Those guys used one hardened head bolt washers between the mounting lugs and the flexplates to take up the gap, my concern is the converter bolt length having enough thread engagement to be safe I just reread your post, make sure the converter drive hub is all the way into the front pump It should be deeper than 3/8 from the tranny bellhousing front mounting surface


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Re: Converter to flex plate distance with mid plate? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1705096
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Quote:

After responding to your other post last night I remember the important thing on converters using a mid plate is to make sure the converter hub on the block side of the converter fits into the crank hub snout properly. Your back spacing on pump engagement is probally fine. (No it is not, it needs to be deeper on second thought) I use a straight edge laid across the front of the tranny bellhousing area and I measure to the converter mounting lugs, if it is between 5/8 and 13/16 deep I'm good on the converter installation into the pump. How thick is your midplate? Which brand converter is it? I've seen several race converters that the converter hub was to long , they would bottom out in the crank leaving a gap between the flex plate and the mounting lugs. Those guys used one hardened head bolt washers between the mounting lugs and the flexplates to take up the gap, my concern is the converter bolt length having enough thread engagement to be safe.

I just reread your post, make sure the converter drive hub is all the way into the front pump. It should be deeper than 3/8 from the tranny bellhousing front mounting surface.




So am I to understand the converter is a standard piece not specifically built for midplate use?

Re: Converter to flex plate distance with mid plate? [Re: moparjimbo] #1705097
11/30/14 06:49 PM
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If the mid plate is OVER .090 you need the conv snout
adjusted for the thickness of the plate... .090 is
the max for a standard conv snout(and mounting blocks)..
.090 is the min for a steel mid plate

Re: Converter to flex plate distance with mid plate? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1705098
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I wish I knew if the converter was meant for mid plate use that is the issue... The whole powertrain setup was picked up mildly used years ago and I am not sure. How would I confirm or what would I measure to confirm?


1996 Viper GTS - UGR Twin Turbo 1500RWHP, 9.02 @ 167 on pump gas and DOT tire
1973 Challenger - 572 Indy Hemi 860HP
1975 Trailduster Convertible, 440
1967 Plymouth Fury Police Pursuit 2DR 505 Stroker
2004 Neon SRT4 modded

www.milwaukeemopar.com
Re: Converter to flex plate distance with mid plate? [Re: moparjimbo] #1705099
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Make a mark that you can see on the converter hub say 1/2 inch from the nose and slide the converter into the crank hub, if the mark is more than 3/8 inch from the edge of the crank hub it needs to be extended some . Call one of th really good converter company and ask them how far the converter nose,front hub, should be inside the crank hub Let us know what they recommend, I don't know how much so it would be good for me to know that also


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