Re: Fuel filter?
[Re: Dodgeguy101]
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11/22/14 07:44 PM
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Cant remember who I called to ask about that filter, but I was told it couldn't handle the output of that black pump. Get a different filter type. Mine is noisy as well, but I got a good deal on it, so for the time being, its on the car.
don't know whats wrong with your install but those filters work well on my 275gph Magnafuel pump & thats almost double what the little Holley Black delivers. we change the cartridge every season & they look great everytime we pull them.
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Re: Fuel filter?
[Re: rebel]
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11/22/14 11:49 PM
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Cant remember who I called to ask about that filter, but I was told it couldn't handle the output of that black pump. Get a different filter type. Mine is noisy as well, but I got a good deal on it, so for the time being, its on the car.
don't know whats wrong with your install but those filters work well on my 275gph Magnafuel pump & thats almost double what the little Holley Black delivers. we change the cartridge every season & they look great everytime we pull them.
I didn't use the fram filter, so don't know if it would have worked or not. Glad yours is working for you.
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Re: Fuel filter?
[Re: Dodgeguy101]
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11/23/14 11:35 AM
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Cant remember who I called to ask about that filter, but I was told it couldn't handle the output of that black pump. Get a different filter type. Mine is noisy as well, but I got a good deal on it, so for the time being, its on the car.
That's BS. That fram filter is made to go after the pump and can easily handle a black pump discharge volume. All filters are made to go after the pump. Please don't be one of those geeks who have the pump and filter hanging out the back of your car for everyone to see with the filter between the tank and pump showing everyone you don't know how to plumb a fuel system. Like Cab said...and you the OP know now.
Use a AN fitting in the tank with a cone shaped stainless strainer built in and no other restrictions before the pump. Only a strainer with 100 micron screen or courser should be in front of the pump. Even a strainer housing creates turbulence in the fuel flow which can cause cavitation. And the inlet plumbing to the pump should be larger than the discharge plumbing with very little restrictions(like least amount of 90, 45s and no filters)
The reason pumps are noisy is because they are screaming for help, cavatating there brains out and dieing a slow death. Warmer the weather get's, the more important that the fuel inlet plumbing is right.
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Re: Fuel filter?
[Re: Mopar_Ray]
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11/23/14 05:40 PM
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We have used that same Fram filter on 2 different cars (after the pump) with blue Holley pumps with no problem.Plenty of fuel.
Nautilus Racing- We use Superformance gaskets and Turbo Action converters/products.
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Re: Fuel filter?
[Re: Jerry Kathe]
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11/24/14 06:54 AM
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OK...you asked. Not going to debate this one either .....but.....micron rating has absolutely nothing to due with flow capabilities when discussing fluids with the viscosity levels of fuel.
Micron rating with filters is referring to particulate size its capable of trapping.....and with fuel the smaller the number the better......and before the pump....no true racing quality level of electric fuel pump will make debris.
Not looking for a rumble....only trying to help. If I wasn't kicked back on vacation right now....I would probably not have bothered as I know this will stir the key board warriors
buy this man a beer
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Re: Fuel filter?
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11/24/14 09:28 AM
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Cant remember who I called to ask about that filter, but I was told it couldn't handle the output of that black pump. Get a different filter type. Mine is noisy as well, but I got a good deal on it, so for the time being, its on the car.
That's BS. That fram filter is made to go after the pump and can easily handle a black pump discharge volume. All filters are made to go after the pump. Please don't be one of those geeks who have the pump and filter hanging out the back of your car for everyone to see with the filter between the tank and pump showing everyone you don't know how to plumb a fuel system. Like Cab said...and you know now.
Use a AN fitting in the tank with a cone shaped stainless strainer built in and no other restrictions before the pump. Only a strainer with 100 micron screen or courser should be in front of the pump. Even a strainer housing creates turbulence in the fuel flow. And the inlet plumbing to the pump should be larger than the discharge plumbing with very little restrictions(like least amount of 90, 45s and no filters)
The reason pumps are noisy is because they are screaming for help, cavatating there brains out and dieing a slow death. Warmer the weather get's, the more important that the fuel inlet plumbing is right.
Next time I have a question, I wont call anyone but you, because you seem to be a know it all. This kind of an answer is exactly why people don't say anything anymore or offer advice. You have no idea what fuel system is on my car.
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Re: Fuel filter?
[Re: Thumperdart]
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11/24/14 03:58 PM
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Wow..........some guys get worked up over stuff that is just brutally simple...........You take two IDENTICAL filter housings, one has a 100 micron element, one has a 10 micron. The latter WILL be more restrictive, because it is finer.
Soooo, you put the 100 micron before the pump, to basically keep large debris out of the pump. Then you put the smaller one AFTER the pump, to catch what the first one did not and the small debris the pump itself makes. Because AFTER the pump, we have items that are MORE sensitive to small debris than the pump itself. Oh, I don't know, like maybe regulators, injectors or needle and seats.
AS far as those FRAM filters, they are pretty restrictive. They are rated in GPH of flow, but can't remember what that is. Also they are paper element filters and also many guys plumbing is not up to snuff. So you add up a couple of these and you get a pump starving for fuel.
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