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Re: Small block Cam Dilemma [Re: pittsburghracer] #1700867
11/21/14 04:06 PM
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Best way to solve the dilema is to build the motor the way you like and put it in your car, and enjoy the car. That way the only person that needs to be made happy is you.
Win, win


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418 eddie headed stroker
Best so far, 10.77@122.62.. 1.44 60 ft
6.780@101 in 1/8

Re: Small block Cam Dilemma [Re: B3422W5] #1700868
11/21/14 04:38 PM
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I think a lot of guys are forgetting that he started this post asking about RESALE purposes.


1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
6.143@110.85 mph
9.73@135.05 mph shifting at 6700 RPM
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

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Re: Small block Cam Dilemma [Re: pittsburghracer] #1700869
11/21/14 04:41 PM
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I think a lot of guys are forgetting that he started this post asking about RESALE purposes.




Actually he said he was thinking about putting it in his barracuda...... OR....... Selling the motor

But..... I am as old or older than you Pittsburgh, and my mind isn't what it used to be...... Lol


69 Dart GTS A4 Silver
418 eddie headed stroker
Best so far, 10.77@122.62.. 1.44 60 ft
6.780@101 in 1/8

Re: Small block Cam Dilemma [Re: BPE] #1700870
11/21/14 06:35 PM
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Just put something together and sell it so you can buy your dream car....

Re: Small block Cam Dilemma [Re: Dbl"00"Joe] #1700871
11/21/14 07:09 PM
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Just put something together and sell it so you can buy your dream car....



Why rush now??


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Re: Small block Cam Dilemma [Re: pittsburghracer] #1700872
11/21/14 07:24 PM
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I think a lot of guys are forgetting that he started this post asking about RESALE purposes.


yep more like a thinly veiled for sale add, but i don't mind

Re: Small block Cam Dilemma [Re: Quicktree] #1700873
11/21/14 08:47 PM
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I think a lot of guys are forgetting that he started this post asking about RESALE purposes.


yep more like a thinly veiled for sale add, but i don't mind





That's what I saw it as. A solicitation of sorts, with hopes of members PM,ing him asking him to build this SB or that.

Re: Small block Cam Dilemma [Re: Quicktree] #1700874
11/21/14 08:51 PM
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This was actually a real question about what other people would do, as well as what people would or wouldn't pay extra for. I'm well aware of where the for sale section is slow wood.

Rod

Re: Small block Cam Dilemma [Re: BPE] #1700875
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it's ok beeper, you can slide one in we don't mind, everyone has to make a living

Re: Small block Cam Dilemma [Re: Monte_Smith] #1700876
11/21/14 09:30 PM
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Monte,
My post wasn't really aimed at you. It's just that there are so many guys beating down flat tappet builds anymore that the guy with very little budget is almost bullied into thinking if he doesn't spend the money for a roller he will destroy his engine.
I personally enjoy out running big inch roller cammed race fueled bracket cars with a flat tappet stock stroke pump gas build.

But I'm poor so maybe that's why???
Keith

Re: Small block Cam Dilemma [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1700877
11/21/14 09:43 PM
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I have built and run all of them FT, Hyd Roller and solid rollers. If its a 100% race motor than for me its a solid roller period.
For a street\strip motor than maybe a Hyd roller but I would never do another FT and its not because I am afraid of them its just old azz technology, and you can just get a much better lobe going to a roller.


70 duster full chassis super pro 416 CNC Indybrock heads 727 w/brake

best so far 1.212 60 6.219 in 1/8 at 110.88 9.768 at 137.81 1/4
Re: Small block Cam Dilemma [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1700878
11/21/14 10:55 PM
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Monte,
My post wasn't really aimed at you. It's just that there are so many guys beating down flat tappet builds anymore that the guy with very little budget is almost bullied into thinking if he doesn't spend the money for a roller he will destroy his engine.
I personally enjoy out running big inch roller cammed race fueled bracket cars with a flat tappet stock stroke pump gas build.

But I'm poor so maybe that's why???
Keith


Yeah, but you are not doing that because you have a FT cam. You are doing that because the other guy just likely has a pile of mismatched parts and you have a well sorted combo.

I like everybody else ran a big FT years ago, but that was because you HAD to. Don't now, so I surely don't.

And the cost thing in my opinion is blown WAY out of proportion. Somebody said it cost $1500 to put a roller cam in his motor. Really, how was that. A FT is $200 a roller is $350.......so that's $150. Then lifters for a FT are $125 and roller lifters are $350 and up. So that's less than $400 more the roller setup costs you. Now if you went from a small hydraulic and had to buy springs, locks, retainers, pushrods etc, you could spend that much......but wouldn't all those same parts be required if you went to a BIG FT??.......Then there is the aggravation of breaking the FT in properly and the fear of wiping a lobe off it doing so..........No thanks, I will spend the extra $500 or so.

I understand a budget, I really do, but I am also a believer in spending my money wisely, on things that will help the motor and make it MORE reliable. Because more times than not, it ends up saving you money in the long run.

Monte

Re: Small block Cam Dilemma [Re: Monte_Smith] #1700879
11/21/14 11:05 PM
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Monty, how can a solid roller make my engine more reliable? The flat solid has been in for five years with no issues. When I checked prices this summer using all Comp stuff it was going to cost over $1400 to go solid roller. The only thing I can reuse is my rocker arms.

Re: Small block Cam Dilemma [Re: Monte_Smith] #1700880
11/21/14 11:15 PM
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I have seen just as many failed roller lifter and cam combinations as I have flat tappets. But to be fair I believe it's because a lot of guys don't think they have to worry about break in with a roller and maintenance is also lacking.
Opinions will vary on this subject, but I am glad to see Monte posting more on here.
Anyway, carry on.
Keith

Re: Small block Cam Dilemma [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1700881
11/22/14 12:20 AM
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I personally have had WAY more roller lifter failures than I have solid cam failures.


1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
6.143@110.85 mph
9.73@135.05 mph shifting at 6700 RPM
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

Livin and lovin life one day at a time




Re: Small block Cam Dilemma [Re: Monte_Smith] #1700882
11/22/14 12:21 AM
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Monte,
My post wasn't really aimed at you. It's just that there are so many guys beating down flat tappet builds anymore that the guy with very little budget is almost bullied into thinking if he doesn't spend the money for a roller he will destroy his engine.
I personally enjoy out running big inch roller cammed race fueled bracket cars with a flat tappet stock stroke pump gas build.

But I'm poor so maybe that's why???
Keith


Yeah, but you are not doing that because you have a FT cam. You are doing that because the other guy just likely has a pile of mismatched parts and you have a well sorted combo.

I like everybody else ran a big FT years ago, but that was because you HAD to. Don't now, so I surely don't.

And the cost thing in my opinion is blown WAY out of proportion. Somebody said it cost $1500 to put a roller cam in his motor. Really, how was that. A FT is $200 a roller is $350.......so that's $150. Then lifters for a FT are $125 and roller lifters are $350 and up. So that's less than $400 more the roller setup costs you. Now if you went from a small hydraulic and had to buy springs, locks, retainers, pushrods etc, you could spend that much......but wouldn't all those same parts be required if you went to a BIG FT??.......Then there is the aggravation of breaking the FT in properly and the fear of wiping a lobe off it doing so..........No thanks, I will spend the extra $500 or so.

I understand a budget, I really do, but I am also a believer in spending my money wisely, on things that will help the motor and make it MORE reliable. Because more times than not, it ends up saving you money in the long run.

Monte




I'm the king of cheap.....you CAN buy used roler cams cheap....and get roller lifters rebuilt....lol lots of good used stuff out there for the smart shopper . Helps to if you know/trust the guy you buy from.mimgot some roller cams that I'll sell cheap.


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Re: Small block Cam Dilemma [Re: pittsburghracer] #1700883
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I personally have had WAY more roller lifter failures than I have solid cam failures.



This is what I have been hearing also

Re: Small block Cam Dilemma [Re: pittsburghracer] #1700884
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I personally have had WAY more roller lifter failures than I have solid cam failures.




then there is another problem that has not been addressed like not enough spring and bouncing the lifter off the lobe.


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best so far 1.212 60 6.219 in 1/8 at 110.88 9.768 at 137.81 1/4
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I personally have had WAY more roller lifter failures than I have solid cam failures.




then there is another problem that has not been addressed like not enough spring and bouncing the lifter off the lobe.





Or being cheap and not wanting to buy new ones.


1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
6.143@110.85 mph
9.73@135.05 mph shifting at 6700 RPM
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

Livin and lovin life one day at a time




Re: Small block Cam Dilemma [Re: pittsburghracer] #1700886
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I personally have had WAY more roller lifter failures than I have solid cam failures.




then there is another problem that has not been addressed like not enough spring and bouncing the lifter off the lobe.





Or being cheap and not wanting to buy new ones.




Ok maybe that


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best so far 1.212 60 6.219 in 1/8 at 110.88 9.768 at 137.81 1/4
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