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Re: Lots of shock questions lately
[Re: tboomer]
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Sound advice and I agree often the most overlooked part on a racecar.
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Re: Lots of shock questions lately
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This spring I plan on buying new shocks for my Road Runner. My plan is to go with Afco DA in the rear, and Afco singles in the front with Bounce control. I know DA's in the front would be best, but is it really NEEDED for a bracket car?
Jeff
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Re: Lots of shock questions lately
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hey monte, Never heard this before. i love sound advise.So bear with me. i thought the front end was suppose to lift up with as little resistance. and come down hard on the shock? i have New QA1's all around,single adjustment. car runs 10.0's comes up maybe 6"at most. which is good for drag racing. i thought i'd be on the back bumper when i launch! not so. thanks
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Re: Lots of shock questions lately
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11/17/14 04:37 PM
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Coming from 2 wheels and going around corners, we would do the same thing. Compress the front and rear, and watch how fast they came up...stock valving always looked like a pogo stick, where a good shock would take a couple seconds.
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Re: Lots of shock questions lately
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11/17/14 05:16 PM
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hey monte, Never heard this before. i love sound advise.So bear with me. i thought the front end was suppose to lift up with as little resistance. and come down hard on the shock? i have New QA1's all around,single adjustment. car runs 10.0's comes up maybe 6"at most. which is good for drag racing. i thought i'd be on the back bumper when i launch! not so. thanks
Not EVERY car needs to instantly stretch the shock when the car leaves. The point here is buy a GOOD shock. If you need it loose, it can be loose, if you need it tight, it can be tight. When I mention the test above, notice I said adjust your shock "full tight" and do the test. But that doesn't mean you can't loosen the shock up if it needs to be.
Now lets look at something else. Your car is going to snatch the front way harder than you can hit it with a floor jack, so if your shock can't pass the test, when you leave it is likely headed straight to limiter and or topping out shock........which immediately stops weight transfer at THAT point.
Even a low powered car that needs a LOT of pitch rotation, still needs shock control. You don't want it to hammer the stops or top of the shock
Monte
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Re: Lots of shock questions lately
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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11/17/14 05:32 PM
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Even a low powered car that needs a LOT of pitch rotation, still needs shock control. You don't want it to hammer the stops or top of the shock
You don't mean that CLUNK I hear when the front suspension tops out against my trimmed-down control arm bumpers just off the hit, do you? 
Perhaps I'll see what a couple of clicks more on the front rebound adjustment does when the car gets back on the track... 
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Re: Lots of shock questions lately
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bought the car in 97 built it raced from 98-2002 with what ever old shock were on the front 
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CE 50/50 on the back
So what's your point? I used to run my own car with drilled front stock shocks and some old truck shocks, with homemade extenders and managed to get it down the track. But was it the BEST it could be........hell no........far from it. But a couple years later, that same car with good shocks was going high teen 60fts on a 10.5 tire.
"Good enough" is relative to who is saying it. Your interpretation of that statement and mine are likely different
Monte
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Re: Lots of shock questions lately
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11/17/14 06:43 PM
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...........LOL!!!........doubt anybody would show up for that
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Re: Lots of shock questions lately
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Monte
Do you have any brand shock preference you would recommend for a double adj. rear shock on ladder bar car.
Thanks Tom
I get this question all the time and it is a hard one to answer. If you have a 7 sec door car and a 12 sec door car, your shock needs are different. But if you just order a DA shock from Jegs, Summit, whoever, you will get the same shock for both cars.
I see guys say Strange all the time, and they DO make a good shock, but their standard shock, has too soft of valving in it for higher HP cars, yet may be perfect for some. And the same goes for about any other mainstream shock company. You order a generic shock, you GET a generic shock. As with any other parts, you need what YOU need. The best way to get that might be custom. You need to talk with the actual shock company and get a shock YOU NEED. Will this route cost you more........maybe, unless they feel their "shelf" shock will fit your needs.
Now, as to what shocks I use. I generally use Santhuffs, but they ain't cheap. Now does every car out there need $1500 worth of shocks on both ends........No, but you do need a decent shock..............So, my answer to your question, about what shock I suggest..........it depends. But the companies I feel make a GOOD shock, provided you get the right one....probably Strange and Afco are on top of my list. Obviously I am leaving out the more "expensive" shocks like Santhuff, Lamb, Penske, Koni, JRI, etc. but these will ALL be made for your car and are considered custom shocks.
Monte
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Re: Lots of shock questions lately
[Re: JERICOGTX]
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11/17/14 07:00 PM
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This spring I plan on buying new shocks for my Road Runner. My plan is to go with Afco DA in the rear, and Afco singles in the front with Bounce control. I know DA's in the front would be best, but is it really NEEDED for a bracket car?
Jeff
I have Afco eliminator big gun doubles on the rear of my car, but Afco Reactor singles in the front with BNC. The reactor singles with BNC definitely DO NOT pass Monte's test as of right now, the gas pressure is so high in them that it is a real chore compressing them to put them on the car and it actually raises the front when installed. I talked to a guy at the last IMIS show and he assured me that the extreme gas pressure was correct for the BNC valving yet when I called AFCO later the guy I talked to said they went out with way too much of a charge and recommended I buy a nitrogen shock charging kit to fine tune, I dont want to do this so I recommend going with eliminator doubles up front and get the BNC if you think you'll need it.
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