Re: Aluminum BB Cylinder Head hierarchy
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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I think they are pretty much obsolete these days. My understanding was they came about due to the lack of Hemi blocks back in the day. That is simply not the case these days. But contact Stage V and ask them. The Hansens are great folks, we used their stuff when we had a Hemi in the Cuda.
They still make them?!
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Re: Aluminum BB Cylinder Head hierarchy
[Re: 1320Dart]
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I think they are pretty much obsolete these days. My understanding was they came about due to the lack of Hemi blocks back in the day. That is simply not the case these days. But contact Stage V and ask them. The Hansens are great folks, we used their stuff when we had a Hemi in the Cuda.
They still make them?!
Looks like they do..
http://www.stagev.com/
http://www.stagev.com/pages/hcheads.html
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Re: Aluminum BB Cylinder Head hierarchy
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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My list would be Predator....B-1 TS....B-1 PSO.......B1-MC.......B-1.......600-13......572-13......440-1 and then anything else. Might be some debate on the original B-1 vs the 600-13. Also a stretch to call a 440-1 a "race" head as it is common on street cars. I myself would pretty much consider anything less than a 440-1 a street head or street/strip head at best. Just depends on your performance goals and intended use. Just because you have an Edelbrock head on your "race" car, doesn't mean it was designed to be a "race" head.
Likely the LEAST user friendly head of the group is the B-1 TS, as there just are not commonly available parts to make it work correctly. Needs a custom intake and really needs the lifters moved in the block to be optomized
Monte
What about the B1 T/S 4.84 heads.. I remember you saying you have a set stashed away, and since the Predators are only 4.80 I would think that puts the B1 T/S on top..
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Re: Aluminum BB Cylinder Head hierarchy
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The 600-13 is also a 4.84 BS piece, don't necessarily mean they make any power I did not include the TS as it is a way out there exotic piece. IMO if you are gonna go that way then go 99 Hemi...
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Re: Aluminum BB Cylinder Head hierarchy
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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My list would be Predator....B-1 TS....B-1 PSO.......B1-MC.......B-1.......600-13......572-13......440-1 and then anything else. Might be some debate on the original B-1 vs the 600-13. Also a stretch to call a 440-1 a "race" head as it is common on street cars. I myself would pretty much consider anything less than a 440-1 a street head or street/strip head at best. Just depends on your performance goals and intended use. Just because you have an Edelbrock head on your "race" car, doesn't mean it was designed to be a "race" head.
Likely the LEAST user friendly head of the group is the B-1 TS, as there just are not commonly available parts to make it work correctly. Needs a custom intake and really needs the lifters moved in the block to be optomized
Monte
Don't forget FBS heads, probably just above B1 originals.
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Re: Aluminum BB Cylinder Head hierarchy
[Re: 451Cuda]
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I bought a set of FBS's recently, haven't arrived yet though. Once they do, I'll have them flowed. Will use them in our 478 turbo engine.
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Re: Aluminum BB Cylinder Head hierarchy
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I bought a set of FBS's recently, haven't arrived yet though. Once they do, I'll have them flowed. Will use them in our 478 turbo engine.
Have them pressure tested before you run them.
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Re: Aluminum BB Cylinder Head hierarchy
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So where do Bulldogs fit in that list, I know they're not available and not many out there but that's what I'm stuck with for the moment.
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Re: Aluminum BB Cylinder Head hierarchy
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So where do Bulldogs fit in that list, I know they're not available and not many out there but that's what I'm stuck with for the moment.
probably right around with the Mopar StageVI head.... undesirable and near the bottom
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Re: Aluminum BB Cylinder Head hierarchy
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My list would be Predator....B-1 TS....B-1 PSO.......B1-MC.......B-1.......600-13......572-13......440-1 and then anything else. Might be some debate on the original B-1 vs the 600-13. Also a stretch to call a 440-1 a "race" head as it is common on street cars. I myself would pretty much consider anything less than a 440-1 a street head or street/strip head at best. Just depends on your performance goals and intended use. Just because you have an Edelbrock head on your "race" car, doesn't mean it was designed to be a "race" head.
Likely the LEAST user friendly head of the group is the B-1 TS, as there just are not commonly available parts to make it work correctly. Needs a custom intake and really needs the lifters moved in the block to be optomized
Monte
What about the B1 T/S 4.84 heads.. I remember you saying you have a set stashed away, and since the Predators are only 4.80 I would think that puts the B1 T/S on top..
Chris..
I do have a set of 4.840 TS heads with the "Wayne County" head bolt pattern. They are currently at Buck Racing Engines getting some work done on them. They SHOULD be better than a Predator because of bore size alone, but I really didn't include them because of rarity and most don't even know they exist.
Monte
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Re: Aluminum BB Cylinder Head hierarchy
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At the risk of sounding naive. What is the pecking order of the available BB aluminum cylinder heads? Starting with the best and working down to the worst. I have been just a bit confused by all of the offerings now. Thanks, Mike (Digger73)
My 610 Predator makes 1210hp and is only 14:1…..one off set with cast tunnel ram….heads flowed 535/403…turning out to be a pretty good engine to spray
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