70 440 6 barrel correct road runner air cleaner decal??
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I am not sure if I need to put on a 440 six barrel decal or a coyote duster decal on the orange air cleaner for a 70 440 six barrel road runner air grabber car I am working on...Which is it?
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Re: 70 440 6 barrel correct road runner air cleaner decal??
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Article from Dec. '69 Motor Trend. LA built & sold v-code, ag, rr. Note shield on front of air cleaner, which my LA built, CA sold, 6bbl, ag car has, too.
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Edited by b54406barrel (Tue Dec 16 2008 01:48 PM)
I thought it should have that decal...but I was suprised to see the shield in place on the air grabber....Interesting!!
Thanks!
Same with the lid. 
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Re: 70 440 6 barrel correct road runner air cleaner decal??
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I have had my 440 six pack 70 RR since 1975.
It was one of the early 70 six pack cars which had the aluminum intake manifold. It also had the "69" decal.
Never seen an air grabber car with the front shield before.
Bob
PS My car is also an LA built car, first sold on Dec 23. Don't remember build date. RT
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AAR 4-speed 3.91, Tor-Red;
70 440 6 pack Roadrunner 4-speed 3.54, Plum Crazy;
68 Formula S conv 383 4-speed 3.23, Electric Blue;
69 Barracuda conv Slant 6 OD4 2.94, 71 B5 Blue;
78 Lil' Red Truck, Red;
70 Challenger S/E. 505 6 pack, Passon 5-speed, 3.55, B7 Blue
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Re: 70 440 6 barrel correct road runner air cleaner decal??
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So we have seen it with the 440 six barrel decal, the 69 coyote duster decak and now the 70 coyote duster decal. With the shield and without. Oh boy.... 
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Re: 70 440 6 barrel correct road runner air cleaner dec
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The shroud would be a process error on an N96 car. I've seen that on one other original car.
Make that at least 3, then. 
My car's build date is 7/24 & I always assumed it had the wrong air cleaner because of the last day of production. It has some other oddities, too. Anyway, that's the air cleaner it's had since it left the dealership, new, at Fort Bragg. I did forget to mention, my lid did not have that little rectangular decal in the middle on it when new. Don't see how you could be wrong placing decals on one like in the Motor Trend picture. Can't argue with a 39 year old magazine picture!
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Re: 70 440 6 barrel correct road runner air cleaner dec
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The shroud would be a process error on an N96 car. I've seen that on one other original car.
Make that at least 3, then.
My car's build date is 7/24 & I always assumed it had the wrong air cleaner because of the last day of production. It has some other oddities, too. Anyway, that's the air cleaner it's had since it left the dealership, new, at Fort Bragg. I did forget to mention, my lid did not have that little rectangular decal in the middle on it when new. Don't see how you could be wrong placing decals on one like in the Motor Trend picture. Can't argue with a 39 year old magazine picture!
OK this is bizarre. The car in the article was sold in CA, your car was sold in CA and the car that I know of was a 70 Hemi Coronet R/T sold in CA.
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Re: 70 440 6 barrel correct road runner air cleaner dec
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OK this is bizarre. The car in the article was sold in CA, your car was sold in CA and the car that I know of was a 70 Hemi Coronet R/T sold in CA.
Seems like it could be a couple of things. A mistake, done several times at least or, LA ran out of correct air cleaner bases occasionally. I say occasionally because my car is the last built '70 6bbl rr I can find and the one in the magazine is probably a fairly early one.
My last 'best guess' is it had something to do with the noise reduction package, mandatory on CA cars. I can't remember riding in another 70, ag car & listening for carb noise @ WOT but when mine was bone stock, (muffs & res) you could never hear the carbs open, with the scoop down.  Guess it's just one of those things I'll never know.
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Re: 70 440 6 barrel correct road runner air cleaner dec
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Question.When you close the hood,how close is the shield to the air box gasket? When I had my 70 6pk Bee it came without an air cleaner.The base I had with the shield would catch on the gasket.Had to remove the shield.
No 'catching' issue although you can feel the gasket graze the shield when you open & close it very slowly. It's the original gasket & has no damage at all. The only rub/wear spots are the perimeter of the base, where the gasket rides normally.
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Re: 70 440 6 barrel correct road runner air cleaner dec
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Looks like I'm not the only one - my '70 Coronet R/T has that shield and Ram Charger. It is a very original car - still had original hoses and plug wires when I got it. I knew it wasn't right but could not figure out why a car so original whould have the wrong base. Must be a factory error. I'm leaving it... BTW it does not hit/rub the air box. Sept '69 Lynch Road car. Dave.
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Re: 70 440 6 barrel correct road runner air cleaner dec
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My last 'best guess' is it had something to do with the noise reduction package, mandatory on CA cars
Bingo, That's what i'm thinking...........I see N95 on the fender tag
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Re: 70 440 6 barrel correct road runner air cleaner dec
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Looks like I'm not the only one - my '70 Coronet R/T has that shield and Ram Charger. It is a very original car - still had original hoses and plug wires when I got it. I knew it wasn't right but could not figure out why a car so original whould have the wrong base. Must be a factory error. I'm leaving it... BTW it does not hit/rub the air box. Sept '69 Lynch Road car. Dave.
Did the car go to California when new? Does it have N95 & N97?
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Bingo, That's what i'm thinking...........I see N95 on the fender tag
How about N97?? --------- Maybe the 6bbl & HEMI cars required the "more restrictive??" air cleaner base with the "shield" as part of the "NOISE REDUCTION PACKAGE". I imagine there was some negotiations between automakers and CA to "conform" to their regulations/wishes. The non-fresh air 383 "MAGNUM" & 440 "SUPER COMMANDO" lost their un-silenced '68-'69 style air cleaner for the dual snorkle "new for '70" air cleaner.
similar post about '70 Coronet details
1970 performance cars sold in California
Super Bee
HEMI - N41, N95, N96, N97 (STD or Mandatory) N97 = NO TIPS
383 4bbl - N41, N95, N97 (STD or Mandatory) & N42, N96 (optional) N97 = noise reduction mufflers
440 6bbl - N41, N95, N97 (STD or Mandatory) & N42, N96 (optional) N97 = add resonators
Coronet R/T
HEMI - N41, N95, N96, N97 (STD or Mandatory) N97 = NO TIPS
440 4bbl - N41, N95, N97 (STD or Mandatory) & N96 (optional) N97 = NO TIPS
440 6bbl - N41, N95, N97 (STD or Mandatory) & N42, N96 (optional) N97 = add resonators
Charger R/T
HEMI - N41, N95, N97 (STD or Mandatory) N97 = NO TIPS
440 4bbl - N41, N95, N97 (STD or Mandatory) N97 = NO TIPS
440 6bbl - N41, N95, N97 (STD or Mandatory) & N42 (optional) N97 = add resonators
Challenger
340 4bbl - N41, N42, N95 (STD or Mandatory) & N94, N96 (limited/optional)
Challenger R/T
HEMI - N41, N95, N97 (STD or Mandatory) & N94, N96 (limited/optional) N97 = NO TIPS
383 4bbl - N41, N42, N95 (STD or Mandatory) & N94, N96 (limited/optional)
440 4bbl - N41, N42, N95 (STD or Mandatory) & N94, N96 (limited/optional)
440 6bbl - N41, N95, N97 (STD or Mandatory) & N94, N96 (limited/optional) N97 = NO TIPS
Road Runner
HEMI - N41, N95, N96, N97 (STD or Mandatory) N97 = NO TIPS
383 4bbl - N41, N95, N97 (STD or Mandatory) & N42, N96 (optional) N97 = noise reduction mufflers
440 6bbl - N41, N95, N97 (STD or Mandatory) & N42, N96 (optional) N97 = add resonators
GTX
HEMI - N41, N95, N96, N97 (STD or Mandatory) N97 = NO TIPS
440 4bbl - N41, N95, N97 (STD or Mandatory) & N96 (optional) N97 = NO TIPS
440 6bbl - N41, N95, N97 (STD or Mandatory) & N42, N96 (optional) N97 = add resonators
'Cuda
HEMI - N41, N95, N97 (STD or Mandatory) & N96 (optional) N97 = NO TIPS
340 4bbl - N41, N42, N95 (STD or Mandatory) & N96 (limited/optional)
383 4bbl - N41, N42, N95 (STD or Mandatory) & N96 (limited/optional)
440 4bbl - N41, N42, N95 (STD or Mandatory) & N96 (limited/optional)
440 6bbl - N41, N95, N97 (STD or Mandatory) & N96 (optional) N97 = NO TIPS
 The guides make it "clear-as-mud",
but what happened to a 383 4bbl Charger, Sport Satellite, or Coronet 500?
 I'm thinking the 383 4bbl, 440 4bbl, & 440 6bbl b-bodies with N97 may have required resonators only if "tips" were ordered??
Who has a b'cast sheet that can add or confirm info??
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Re: 70 440 6 barrel correct road runner air cleaner dec
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The 70 parts book shows the resonators as part of the noise reduction package, but the intake section shows the same part number lower air cleaner body, or "retainer", as the same for all fresh air packages. Oddly, the factory parts book I have only lists a separate functional air scoop B body retainer for Belvedere but not Coronet. Typo?
Also, LA built cars didn't have build sheets, correct?
Bob
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68 Formula S conv 383 4-speed 3.23, Electric Blue;
69 Barracuda conv Slant 6 OD4 2.94, 71 B5 Blue;
78 Lil' Red Truck, Red;
70 Challenger S/E. 505 6 pack, Passon 5-speed, 3.55, B7 Blue
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Re: 70 440 6 barrel correct road runner air cleaner dec
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Who has a b'cast sheet that can add or confirm info??
I do. I have a California 70 Superbee Coupe 440+6 with tips. I'll check the build sheet when I get home. I'm in China currently.
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Re: 70 440 6 barrel correct road runner air cleaner dec
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Some LA assembled cars do have b'cast sheets (1 in 10, 1 in 20? ). What I've heard is they (LA) had a "clean car" policy, they didn't leave any trash in customer cars including b'cast sheets???  from the same '70 coronet post: Quote:
1970 b-body - b'cast sheet tailpipe codes LT & RT:
OVER THE AXLE w/TURNDOWNS
03 & 10 (part #s 3404 003 & 3404 810) w/ N41 on:
383 4bbl Charger, 383 4bbl Sport Satellite, 383 4bbl Road Runner
440 4bbl Charger R/T, 440 4bbl Coronet R/T
440+6bbl Road Runner, 440+6bbl Superbird
------ also on a N41 & N95 440 4bbl Charger R/T
OVER THE AXLE w/N42 - "CHROME TIPS"
14 & 13 (part #s 3404 014 & 3404 013) w/ N41 & N42 on:
383 4bbl Road Runner
440 4bbl Charger R/T, 440 4bbl GTX
OVER THE AXLE w/RESONATORS & N42 - "CHROME TIPS"
20 & 09 w/ N41 & N42 on:
HEMI Charger R/T, HEMI Coronet R/T
Anybody have a '70 b-body b'cast sheet with N97 - "noise reduction"??
or a combination not covered above
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