fast answer, Needing high output alt GM kind easy swap
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yeap... considering:
-must be able to use V belt dual pulley -internally regulated and cluster warning light -to fit on stock location and brackets without any mod -rated around to 80-100 amps. -not really expensive and easy and cheap for service ( yes I'm overseas, but price diff is also down here )
suggestions? Need to buy one tomorrow
( sorry I'm just on a stock Mopar alts and this is not for my car )
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Re: fast answer, Needing high output alt GM kind easy swap
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I run a 10si Delco Remy on my 440. 100amp Alt. You won't find anything with stock brackets. I had to make my own. You also have to "clock" the alternator for the mounting post and rear output to be furthest from the cylinder head.
I bought mine for $90USD
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Re: fast answer, Needing high output alt GM kind easy swap
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well of course I would fit a Mopar alt, but is not posible to fit it with the warning light without build an external "sensor". Wiring is already done for AC Delco alt
was wondering about somekind of alt like the NipponDenso used on upgrades, which are plug and play to fit on stock brackets... but wired like the AC Delco alts ( no matter if 2 or 4 pins )
Am I asking too much? LOL
BTW, its for a Small Block
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Re: fast answer, Needing high output alt GM kind easy swap
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( and dunno about the width )
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Re: fast answer, Needing high output alt GM kind easy swap
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The Denso alternator like found on the later Mopars is a popular up-grade.
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Re: fast answer, Needing high output alt GM kind easy swap
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None of the alternators listed above put out many amps at idle. I used a CS144 and a $35 adapter bracket. I did have it rewound and had a heavy duty rectifier put on it.
It puts out 115 amps at idle and can deliver over 225 amps if needed. I did have to run 2 gauge wire to a front mounted distribution lug, but it does have remote voltage sensing and a wire for the little light you are looking for.
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Re: fast answer, Needing high output alt GM kind easy swap
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Mine puts out all and more than I need. I rod check it and the alternator turns on. I have a cassette player with two speakers. No amp, no sub. An electric pusher fan, and HID headlights with ballasts. Thats pretty much it. I dunno about SBM, but my BB looks like it belongs there. Mine looks like that CS130D you posted, but its just a 10si. Summit Special, generic replacement. I also do not know about the double V belt
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Re: fast answer, Needing high output alt GM kind easy swap
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None of the alternators listed above put out many amps at idle. I used a CS144 and a $35 adapter bracket. I did have it rewound and had a heavy duty rectifier put on it.
It puts out 115 amps at idle and can deliver over 225 amps if needed. I did have to run 2 gauge wire to a front mounted distribution lug, but it does have remote voltage sensing and a wire for the little light you are looking for.
Do have a freezer in your trunk? Why would you need that many amps?
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Re: fast answer, Needing high output alt GM kind easy swap
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checking the connections, what it says: "PLIS-type Mandatory connections: 1) Connect the alternator output terminal (B or Bat) to the electrical system's main distribution point (bus bar, junction, etc.) Less optimal alternatives that will work include connecting it to the battery + terminal or a terminal on the starter motor that also connects to the battery + terminal. 2) Connect the L terminal to a source of switched ignition power through an indicator lamp wired in series. Also connect a 50 Ohm resistor in parallel with the indicator lamp so that if the bulb burns out, the alternator will still be excited. 3) Connect the I terminal to a source of switched ignition power through a 50 Ohm resistor wired in series. 3) Ensure there is a good ground connection between the bare alternator case, the mounting bracketry and the engine block/heads and/or install a dedicated ground wire from the engine block to the alternator's ground terminal (if it has one). Crucial connections: 4) Strictly speaking, the alternator will work with only the three wiring connections listed above, but I consider it crucial for good performance that you also wire up the remote voltage sensing terminal. To do this, connect the S terminal to the vehicle electrical system's main power distribution point (bus bar, main switch, fuse panel, etc.). If the S remote voltage sensing terminal is not connected, the voltage regulator will revert to internal sensing of the alternator output terminal voltage - with all the limitations that brings. You will see some alternators wired with a short jumper wire from the S terminal directly to the battery connection at the back of the alternators, but this is neither the proper method for remote voltage sensing nor necessary for internal sensing - do it properly or leave it out." This alt I got is 3 pins ( no Phasing pin ) so despite this. Then I have the L terminal runing to a LED on cluster on a vintage warning lights setup ( G indicator ) http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=19711.0;attach=145438;image This will be the warning light and field at the same time... right ? ( I won't use the parallel resistor for it ) I terminal... ignition. Advices to use a 50 ohms reistor in series... HOWEVER, diagram shows a parallel ? http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/Wiring/Part2/images/PLIS.jpg then the S terminal... which I would splice from same source the I terminal will be sourced wondering why the 50 ohms resistor. lot of ppl locally makes this job without any kind of resistor
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Re: fast answer, Needing high output alt GM kind easy swap
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I know is somekind a CHEBBBBBY stuff, but will great some opinions &/or guidance on this LOL
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Re: fast answer, Needing high output alt GM kind easy swap
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I have a cs130 off a 87 buick GN on my car.You will have to mod the spacer to the head and the adjuster bar will need to be ground to clear the alts fan on a big block. The resister has to be there or it wont charge, and some alts you will have to experiment with the resister ( 50 - 100 )ohms and if I remember correct 1 watt. Radio shack has them and you just solider them on the wire. I just have the s wire jumped to the big batt stud on the alt and the l term is the 12 volt ignition with the resister. When looking for cs130s you need to find the ones that have the mounting locations 180 apart. Also you will need a v belt pulley off a older gm alt as the buick and most of the cs130s come with a serp belt pulley.
great info thanks!!!
I installed 47 ohms watt but 1/4 watt. Soooooo, is mandatory use the 1 watt one ? pirate4x4 ( link I posted ) doesn't state anything about that really, so I though 1/4 watt could be enough, being should be just kinda a remote turn on signal. Or I thought that
some problem using a LED as a warning light bulb ?
Yes, this one is 180º mounting position and adjuster off with front and rear top mounting provisions ( just like originals Mopars ). original application is for a Chevrolet Aveo. Check the links pics. Also we found the diodes bank with a correct positive stud provision, what we are replacing on the original one ( plastic cover got the provision for diff stud location ). We are aware about the pulley
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about mounting, it's on a Small block, and we found the way to install it without any spacer, since being two mounting provisions, we fit it with front top provision, in front of top bracket, just like the Original Mopar Alternators. MAYBE will need some shimming ( a washer cold make it ), but nothing major.
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Re: fast answer, Needing high output alt GM kind easy swap
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led panel got resistors on each led for whatever reason ( under a shrinked tube... unkown resistance )
I asked to 12voltsguy.com thorugh an email, who is the "composer" of the article I posted the link. He didn't gave me a GREAT AND DEDICATED ANSWER BUT he told me, 1/4 watt resistors are used to cheat the flashers on led turn signals. I had to take my own conclusion with that anwers... so being these bulbs are originally 21 watts each, I think 1/4 watts should be enough then.
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Re: fast answer, Needing high output alt GM kind easy swap
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None of the alternators listed above put out many amps at idle. I used a CS144 and a $35 adapter bracket. I did have it rewound and had a heavy duty rectifier put on it.
It puts out 115 amps at idle and can deliver over 225 amps if needed. I did have to run 2 gauge wire to a front mounted distribution lug, but it does have remote voltage sensing and a wire for the little light you are looking for.
Do have a freezer in your trunk? Why would you need that many amps?
Halogen headlights, Underdash Gen V Vintage Air A/C (It makes the trunk cool though), twin 20 amp Spal fans, 40 amp fuel pump, electric windows and the rest of the normal load for the MSD ignition and lighting on the car. Got tired of it always discharging at idle with the Mopar units. The amp load adds up quick, and sucks even more amps when the fans start-up. It also has remote voltage sensing, so it reads and adjust output to the line voltage off the battery in the trunk.
I don't have a car stereo aside from the factory AM 8-track, because I like to hear every little noise the car makes, just in case.
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