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Re: The Dodge pro-stocks are going down-hill fast.
[Re: gofish]
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10/07/14 02:36 PM
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Nothing, I repeat NOTHING on this planet, even a Top Fuel car, will blow the tire smooth off at the hit........NOW, if you underpower and over bite the tire early, it will slam the tire so hard that the car immediately jumps straight back up in the air and gives the appearance of an immediate "blow off" but this is NOT what really happened. They show this over and over on the super slo mo deal and Dunn always talks about it. Bottom line, if the car is shaking, it is trying to "stick" the tire.......period, end of story
Monte
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Re: The Dodge pro-stocks are going down-hill fast.
[Re: MRMOPAR622]
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10/07/14 08:35 PM
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You should put on your listening eyes. Monte is telling you a FACT and you are refusing to get it.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: The Dodge pro-stocks are going down-hill fast.
[Re: madscientist]
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10/07/14 09:00 PM
10/07/14 09:00 PM
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You should put on your listening eyes. Monte is telling you a FACT and you are refusing to get it.
 tire shake is not caused by a bad track even in top fuel.
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Re: The Dodge pro-stocks are going down-hill fast.
[Re: MRMOPAR622]
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10/07/14 11:18 PM
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You disagree with what???.......If it is shaking it is trying to "stick" the tire
Monte
I disagree with what you said about the Track being to good.What Mike Dunn said about the TF/D & TF/FC had nothing to do with the Pro-Stock cars!The track was either not good enough or not prepped good enough.The ProStock Guys & Girls are just to smart for that many to have missing the set up.They have had problems at a few more tracks this year as well.
Ummm.......ok.........whatever you say. Car after car rattled the doors off and the track is slick?...........okie dokie
Having actually run a clutch car before, this happens often. You FORECAST how good you think the track will be for the next round and set the gearing, base and counter accordingly, then go to the lanes. If several cars ahead of you shake, about your only recourse once in the lanes is more launch rpm, add counter to "get after it" or remove counter and hope to slip it through. Either is a crap shoot. But Pro-Stocks don't run much counter generally, so if you missed the setup badly, it is hard to fix in the lanes. The fact that SEVERAL cars missed the setup and shook, tells me the track was MUCH better that round than previous. 5 minutes of cloud cover on the track will WRECK the setup in a Pro-Stocker. The window is THAT tight. Everybody thinks big tire high HP cars are "easy".........NOTHING could be further from the truth
Monte
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Re: The Dodge pro-stocks are going down-hill fast.
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10/08/14 01:14 AM
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If the track is good the tires can't spin and if the tires can't spin they can't shake!I have been Racing long enough with High Horse-Power cars both Dragster & Door-Cars to know that.
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Re: The Dodge pro-stocks are going down-hill fast.
[Re: MRMOPAR622]
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10/08/14 01:28 AM
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If the track is good the tires can't spin and if the tires can't spin they can't shake!I have been Racing long enough with High Horse-Power cars both Dragster & Door-Cars to know that.
You can't be serious about that quote..............this has to be a joke?
Monte
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Re: The Dodge pro-stocks are going down-hill fast.
[Re: bigtimeauto]
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10/08/14 02:39 AM
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If the track is good the tires can't spin and if the tires can't spin they can't shake!I have been Racing long enough with High Horse-Power cars both Dragster & Door-Cars to know that.
wow is all I have 
Well, you asked above were we gonna learn something new here.........there's your answer........LOL!!!
Monte
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Re: The Dodge pro-stocks are going down-hill fast.
[Re: bigtimeauto]
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10/08/14 02:46 AM
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If the track is good the tires can't spin and if the tires can't spin they can't shake!I have been Racing long enough with High Horse-Power cars both Dragster & Door-Cars to know that.
wow is all I have
I'm in on the "wow" as well. Followed by "What the....?"
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Re: The Dodge pro-stocks are going down-hill fast.
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10/08/14 11:42 AM
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Connolly said he underestimated conditions and didn't put enough clutch in it. 
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Tire shake, especially early is usually caused by too LITTLE wheelspeed and it tries to stick the tire instead of jump up on it. If that is the case, be hard to blame that on track prep. That is setup
Believe it or not, it is HARD to make enough wheelspeed in a Pro Stocker to snap it right up on the tire. Not much torque and a tiny tuning window, because it is mostly done with gearing.
Monte
track was fine, a bunch just missed the setup due to how good the track actually was.
hmmmmmmm
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Re: The Dodge pro-stocks are going down-hill fast.
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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10/08/14 03:09 PM
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Having actually run a clutch car before, this happens often. You FORECAST how good you think the track will be for the next round and set the gearing, base and counter accordingly, then go to the lanes. If several cars ahead of you shake, about your only recourse once in the lanes is more launch rpm, add counter to "get after it" or remove counter and hope to slip it through. Either is a crap shoot. But Pro-Stocks don't run much counter generally, so if you missed the setup badly, it is hard to fix in the lanes. The fact that SEVERAL cars missed the setup and shook, tells me the track was MUCH better that round than previous. 5 minutes of cloud cover on the track will WRECK the setup in a Pro-Stocker. The window is THAT tight. Everybody thinks big tire high HP cars are "easy".........NOTHING could be further from the truth
Monte
Can you do anything with tire pressure if you don't have the luxury of changing the clutch setup? Lowering it, maybe?
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Re: The Dodge pro-stocks are going down-hill fast.
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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10/08/14 04:27 PM
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 Have not been on in a few days and read this and now I feel much better. That has to be some of the funniest stuff I have seen here in a long time MrMopar..
It's on par with the thread where he argued with mccandlessboy about turbo street cars. He was boastful because he once owned a turbo Vette, that is till he realized who mccandlessboy's dad was, then his tone changed.
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