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I offered the engineer working on them help and I was told they had it handled....they didn't need any outside help!

There are a few guys who know about the help Edelbrock was receiving and that's why they are back at engineering...

Guess they got it handled!

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what exactly are you guys looking for? there are several heads out that will get the job done.

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what exactly are you guys looking for? there are several heads out that will get the job done.

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A W5 replacement head or better but workable with the stock block without the huge expense (or weight) of W2's.

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I actually didn't specify which/what head. But yes the Victor would be nice and and worth the money if they are what they claimed.

There was recent posting of a small block head someone was working on that was going to be ready to ship and something about being a distributer of the head.

I try to order pistons by the end of oct. due to everyone else doing things over the winter.

Looks like another year of edelbrock rpm heads, but at least ya know what your working with and there limits and its a easy 10 second build head.

But it would be nice to have a head that could do more without a lot of high cost rocker gear.

Someone kick me as I must be dreaming.

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I don't understand why it takes them 30 years to make an aluminum W2? Is that too much to ask for?...

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indy is better than a W5, so you are looking for $1000 set of heads capable of W5 ?

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indy is better than a W5, so you are looking for $1000 set of heads capable of W5 ?

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W5 was an awesome head for stressing a stock block build. Erson rockers for them were very nice also and I didn't think the $700 I paid for them was a bad deal at all. I'd still be running W5s if I didn't learn the hard way that they were casted from junk. We also considered the Indy route, but I've also heard some stories of casting issues with them also. Seems to me right now Ebrock heads are a good comprimise since you can no longer get R blocks. What's the sense in anybody making a good head if you don't have a block to bolt them to?

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The W5 had problems with the early castings which gave them a bad rep they never shook off.

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Threads like these make me feel warm and fuzzy when thinking G3 Hemis lol

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Ya know, for a long time ive put off even thinking of the newer hemi but looking back, way back what were some of the street rod guys doing when there inline 6 or there flathead was not getting it done.

Nailhead V8 That about sums it up.

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Ya know, for a long time ive put off even thinking of the newer hemi but looking back, way back what were some of the street rod guys doing when there inline 6 or there flathead was not getting it done.

Nailhead V8 That about sums it up.

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I think my next engine is going to be diesel fueled.

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It amazes me that most people havent seen the light. They'll spend $6k on worked up ultra exotic sb heads but will scoff at an OOTB 3g hemi head that is over 300cfm stock.

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It amazes me that most people havent seen the light. They'll spend $6k on worked up ultra exotic sb heads but will scoff at an OOTB 3g hemi head that is over 300cfm stock.

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But adjustable rocker gear for those heads approaches 2000 dollars( Harland sharp) intakes are expensive, and you can't run a solid roller either. Good headers aren't cheap either, and to install one In a typical Abody isn't exactly a bolt in deal either.
Some positives no doubt, but plenty of negatives as well.

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YOU my friend need to make the change. With your knowledge you would not be disappointed.

Just look at the factory stock and Dave Barton.
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Gen3 will be a good route someday. If you get warm and fuzzy over these hemis and discounting LA designs you have not payed attention. I have witnessed some very fast stock head combo LA engines.

Funny how many aluminum magnum heads have been produced yet people bought the iron rt heads.

You guys talk yourselves out of all the smart solutions. Nothing gets made for lack of sales. Mopar could make a head that flowed 450 corrected geometry and strengthened the block to handle 2500 HP price them at $2000 complete and you guys would find some excuse to not buy them.

Sorry for the rant. This is why I went R5P7 it's cheaper and makes way more power. And the parts are everywhere. Don't have to wonder if they will get made or not.

Carry on with the excuses.

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Who said ANYTHING about discounting LA designs Leon??? If your referring to my post, which you are in your first line, you got it ALL wrong.

Waiting for more LA head designs to come out that aren't all copies of the Eddy performer is useless...because that is all there has been in the past few years, unless someone can prove otherwise???

The new gen hemi on the other hand, well factory castings that flow what exotic SB race heads cost...what is not to get exited about?

By the way, I am still racing an LA, and more then likely will be for a long time...Not sure what "excuses" are being made in here, but you yourself now race an R5P7 yet condemn me for mentioning Gen3 hemi heads...go figure! If there are still lots of "smart" solutions with the LA platform, why are you racing something otherwise??

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I honestly don't run into that many fast new style Hemi's in my travels but would like to see more. I would also like to see a break-down of the costs of building one too. I could care less about Dyno queens or super stock type builds because I know those costs are way above what most are willing to spend.

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Look harder! I'm not even into them since I have cool LA stuff but I know of a full weight pump gas street driven charger that runs 8's with the production trans which I imagine eats a lot of power. I can also think of a very low 9 magnum that's also a pump gas car. Keep in mind these are in cars that are at or above 4000lbs....

The gen 3 works. I like the R5 P7 also but if you can only afford a 358" (like I could have bought) it seems like getting the right converter is a nightmare and they want a huge converter, that takes the fun out of driving my car to me. Big W heads it is

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The gen 3 works. I like the R5 P7 also but if you can only afford a 358" (like I could have bought) it seems like getting the right converter is a nightmare and they want a huge converter, that takes the fun out of driving my car to me. Big W heads it is

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I'm not scared of change,I just don't want one of them.
Who the hell wants to spend 6 grand on an unmachined alum block and the cost of all the bells and whistles to go mid 9's when it can be done with a stock 340 and procomp heads.
Mopar is out of their minds and trying to force this on their tiny amount of diehard fans.
I know there is a pro charged one in x275 w billed heads,but to be honest it don't compete and cost I bet 60+ grand.JMO

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Rob Goss that qualified 4th in GA don't compete? Just a few thou off
Rhodes isn't competing?

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The gen 3 works. I like the R5 P7 also but if you can only afford a 358" (like I could have bought) it seems like getting the right converter is a nightmare and they want a huge converter, that takes the fun out of driving my car to me. Big W heads it is

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A 8" 7000 stall converter for a 800 + HP engine with a 7600-9500 powerband does not stall 7000 at street rpm. I ran one with 4.10 gear a 1.76 first an 33" tires. It was very streetable and got 15mpg. "This is what I call an excuse". If I hadn't tested documented and posted my results, would agree with your issues. But, it is proven not to be an issue.

Moving on....
Gen3 hemi heads do not outflow exotic LA heads.300cfm is not even comparable to 410+. And really a W8 is not exotic anymore. P5 is exotic and their numbers are out of site.

I like the gen3 just like to see people realize aftermarket designs is what is running the big power. Although the built up stock engines are impressive to.

In the past 15 years there have been several sb heads available. They were just more expensive. The edelbocks were priced better but are 38 year old design. The Indy's are also a very old design. Anyone remember Batton? arrignton even made a head for 59 degree blocks. They made good power.

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Why buy an aluminum block when the stock ones can take twice what a 340 can?

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I'm not scared of change,I just don't want one of them.
Who the hell wants to spend 6 grand on an unmachined alum block and the cost of all the bells and whistles to go mid 9's when it can be done with a stock 340 and procomp heads.
Mopar is out of their minds and trying to force this on their tiny amount of diehard fans.

I know there is a pro charged one in x275 w billed heads,but to be honest it don't compete and cost I bet 60+ grand.JMO

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Rob Goss that qualified 4th in GA don't compete? Just a few thou off
Rhodes isn't competing?

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I'm not scared of change,I just don't want one of them.
Who the hell wants to spend 6 grand on an unmachined alum block and the cost of all the bells and whistles to go mid 9's when it can be done with a stock 340 and procomp heads.
Mopar is out of their minds and trying to force this on their tiny amount of diehard fans.

I know there is a pro charged one in x275 w billed heads,but to be honest it don't compete and cost I bet 60+ grand.JMO

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Rob Goss that qualified 4th in GA don't compete? Just a few thou off
Rhodes isn't competing?

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4th to you for a motor of the money is competing ? I guess purple cams and pinion snubber are here forever lol

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4 out of 32 of the nations fastest is definitely competing. Rhodes won it, I guarantee his motor isn't cheap. Goes is the fastest small tire Mopar I know of since he's been 4.50's (Rhodes also runs .50's) so I guess I will ask you. What does it take to impress you? How do you define competing?

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I thought this was a small block head post, not an LA versus Gen3 post?
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I thought this was a small block head post, not an LA versus Gen3 post?
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Believe it is.... or was. The smell of death in the small block circles in overwhelming. Dinosaur heads, no blocks..... Is that a sunset I'm riding off into?

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I don't think LA stuff is dinosaur, but it is hard to ignore factory parts that will compete with exotic race parts of a motor from a previous generation...Even more so when the parts from the previous generation are getting harder to come by, and promises for new development never seem to come to fruition.

Oh wait, we're Mopar guys...of course we'll ignore it and acknowledge only the downsides, and the aftermarket of the G3 hemi will never be as good as it could be because of that...I wonder why LS stuff is so cheap and plentiful?

My post isn't directed at anyone here in particular...It is just frustrating that we are promised or told about new LA parts, whatever they may be, are coming, but they don't usually seem to make it to reality...As much as the G3 is awesome, I will probably be racing with an LA for a long while, so it would be nice to see new developments actually hit the market and be worth their weight (there is never anything wrong with options!) ..but with the current trend in LA product development, I wish I started with a G3

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I remember a thread about the eddy victor SB head and they said "june" then someone else said they would be revealing another new head all together by the end of that week, still have not heard from either again I say, give us an aluminum W2, Indy is too much money with too low quality, heck pro-comp has less complaints maybe they should do the aluminum W2. A w2 makes plenty of power for the average guy, a little home porting and you can do 600 HP with out fragile max ported stock junk.

I have been keeping mumm about this for a while because every one says all 360 blocks are basically the same but the 5.9 magnum block can handle significantly more power than a 340 block or 92 back 360. A couple things to think about and look at, the pan rail around 2 and 4 mains has a lot more meat, kind of like a TA, and I don't see way better sonic numbers but I bet you would have a lot harder time busting a cylinder wall, try grinding some notches to clearance one for a stroker crank, then try it in the old LA block and see which one is tougher to grind on Not to mention the outer wall is thicker with the extra mount bosses, expecially the 2002-2003 blocks got to help with flexing. Oh and you get a roller cam included with every core, this is the one we need an aluminum W2 for. Go take a look with the two blocks sitting next to each other

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Doing more with less impresses me most.
Competing to me means having a chance.
Impressing me is a 20 or 30.000 motor being faster then a 50.000 motor.

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This is why I like the G3. And trust me I just built a R3 W9 engine but if I damage the thing there is no replacement. I have two 5.7 blocks in the garage and 4 sets of G3 heads including the Eagle and Apache. Ritter intake.
My W9 TD rockers were 1700.
The W9 were not cheap.
In the end I think it will be a wash for price which ever road you take and I THINK you can make more with the G3 for less.
Matt