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Re: make a 46re non lockup
[Re: Tobbe]
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08/07/14 09:13 AM
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You are going to need more than that. You need a non lockup valve body as well and since there were no non lockup valve bodies for the RE I'd say you are out of luck. You need to convert to a RH which would require a different case as well.
"Follow me the wise man said, but he walked behind"
'92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion.
'74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost conversion.
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Re: make a 46re non lockup
[Re: Tobbe]
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08/07/14 11:41 AM
08/07/14 11:41 AM
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Romeo MI
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ok i like the e-shift ,its in a dakota -99
did you do anything to the valvebody?
Mine is a RH and no I didnt except for a shift improver
kit..in the kit I think there was a spring to change how
it shifted... I wouldnt even get into a RE
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Re: make a 46re non lockup
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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08/07/14 03:36 PM
08/07/14 03:36 PM
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ok i like the e-shift ,its in a dakota -99
did you do anything to the valvebody?
Mine is a RH and no I didnt except for a shift improver
kit..in the kit I think there was a spring to change how
it shifted... I wouldnt even get into a RE
I agree to use the RH. The RE has a gov pressure sensor , gov solenoid , fluid temp sensor along with the lock-up and overdrive solenoids so you would need a computer to work it to controll gov pressure. The RH only has the lock-up and the overdrive solenoids which can be worked by switches or they have kits that can work them on speed , rpm , eng temp and vacum. Ron
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Re: make a 46re non lockup
[Re: 383man]
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08/07/14 04:38 PM
08/07/14 04:38 PM
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ok i like the e-shift ,its in a dakota -99
did you do anything to the valvebody?
Mine is a RH and no I didnt except for a shift improver
kit..in the kit I think there was a spring to change how
it shifted... I wouldnt even get into a RE
I agree to use the RH. The RE has a gov pressure sensor , gov solenoid , fluid temp sensor along with the lock-up and overdrive solenoids so you would need a computer to work it to controll gov pressure. The RH only has the lock-up and the overdrive solenoids which can be worked by switches or they have kits that can work them on speed , rpm , eng temp and vacum. Ron
still have the oem ecu ,i can load new shiftpoint into the ecu 
no need to change weighs and get oil all over the shop
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Re: make a 46re non lockup
[Re: SpareParts]
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08/07/14 09:39 PM
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Being a diesel guy also I gotta ask, why don't you want lock up?
If you want a high stall conv they are too small
for the lock up(you need a thicker conv to get more
lock up clutch in the shell) and the cost is WAY UP
THERE and you need a spacer between the trans and engine
for the added space
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Re: make a 46re non lockup
[Re: Tobbe]
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08/30/14 09:08 AM
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I just put a TRANSGO shift kit in a lockup trans, and the instructions were very detailed and phone support was great. I am not sure about the RE trans, but the hydraulic lockup valve bodies can be set up to not lock up simply by blocking the movement of one valve in the valve body. If you are going to work with the RE, then a TRANSGO kit would be a great help in understanding what you can/can't do. If you do, be sure and put the accumulator spring in, or if you can't, call them and find out what to change in the mods of the separator plate. Without that spring there can be a bad overlap with the aggressive mod on the 1/2 shift out of manual low. Also if you can get/find the circuit diagrams for that valve body and trace them out, it may lead you to a simple method of locking this out without having to go to the RH trans. There are low and high stall versions of the torque converters, but they will only be suited to moderate cams, or larger than stock engines due to the "high stall" not being too high..
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Re: make a 46re non lockup
[Re: Tobbe]
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08/30/14 02:40 PM
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Chandler, AZ
Duner
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i can build a race 727 any day ,right now i have a aluminum drum low gearset 727 whit manual reverse valvebody in the shop.
i like that you could set the shift rpms whit a tuner and still have the oem column shifter for stealt look.
That's been working for me.
I just put it in drive and mash the gas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMXv3u7rrog
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Re: make a 46re non lockup
[Re: Duner]
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08/30/14 02:44 PM
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i can build a race 727 any day ,right now i have a aluminum drum low gearset 727 whit manual reverse valvebody in the shop.
i like that you could set the shift rpms whit a tuner and still have the oem column shifter for stealt look.
That's been working for me.
I just put it in drive and mash the gas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMXv3u7rrog
cool !
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Re: make a 46re non lockup
[Re: Duner]
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08/30/14 02:56 PM
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I wish you the best of luck with using the non-lockup converter. I've been trying to make the lockup work for me in my 46RE - but keep tearing up parts in it. I just had the converter rebuilt with more lockup clutch, and am going thru the trans right now again. I continue to hear how I'm "giving away" lots and lots of ET to the higher rotating mass with the overdrive portion. Is there any special reason why you are staying with the 46RE even without the lockup?
I would think that going to overdrive but having a stall converter would simply mean it's stalling all the time and creating massive heat - without the lockup portion.
I'm running a 5000 stall with my 518.. no lock up
but still use the OD all the time except the track
and I'm not seeing big temps... one good size cooler
but if I need I have another cooler a little larger
with a fan on it... if needed I'll put that cooler
on a thermo switch to turn on the fan
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Re: make a 46re non lockup
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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08/30/14 03:04 PM
08/30/14 03:04 PM
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Chandler, AZ
Duner
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That is encouraging that you can pull the temps down with enough cooler. I guess I keep thinking of things from my 4200# perspective. LOL Like Tobbe - I do like the idea that my trans shifts on time without me having to shift it. I could just as easily build my 727 instead of my 46RE again - but the OD, lockup and self-shifting thing is tough to beat… even if it does cost me some ET. IF I can actually make it reliable - then it will stay in the truck. If it fails again - it might be time for the 727, shifter, shiftnoid setup - and I'll just put up with the higher rpms on the freeway. 
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prob its time to go 727 all in
