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Re: E85 ruining my oil
[Re: cudaboy]
#1638798
06/28/14 07:37 PM
06/28/14 07:37 PM
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Sweet Home Alabama
MRMOPAR622
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Sweet Home Alabama
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I have been running alcohol for quite a few years(Rons Terminators)with a vacuum pump,my engine see's 180 degrees when I first crank it using the lean out valve to build temp.so I can shut it off and let it heat sink(aluminum rods)it never milks the oil.As long as my water temp. is a 140 degrees are higher when I pull into staging thats fine with me,most times by the end of the run its around 150 degrees,I turn the fan on and by the time I drive back to my pit its down to 140 degrees I turn everything off and hook the battery charger up only,no cool down of any kind needed.It repeats the numbers and is just as fast as when the temp. is at 180-190 degrees.I'm a Bracket Racer so it has to repeat,I don't understand the need for 180-190 degree temp. in an engine.A lot of times when you milk the oil all you need do is lean out the barrel valve at idle. I will set my combined barrel valve & shut off valve then adjust it to help build heat in the engine either way colder or hotter and the throttle response is much better set this way. PS sometimes we over look the simple things,when we have a problem. 
Last edited by MRMOPAR622; 06/28/14 07:38 PM.
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Re: E85 ruining my oil
[Re: Racebuddy]
#1638802
06/29/14 01:44 AM
06/29/14 01:44 AM
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Bend,OR USA
Cab_Burge
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I Win
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Bend,OR USA
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It takes no time for the E85 to milk down my Brad Penn oil.
It looks like crap. i run evac system and thats all. there is a tremendous amount of moisture in the motor.
Talking to a few guys at the track who run E85, they are talking about "lean out valves" and running the motor 200 degrees and such. Does not sound good to me.
Is E85 really this difficult? Small Block stroker 418,W-2, roller, drag race set up.
If your evac system is the old style hose from the breathers on the valve covers to the header collectors with a GM anti backfire valve in the collector it is probally the cause of your oil getting moisture in it  I had that happen many years ago when those sytems, Million Dollar Promotions and the Moroso brands first came out on my old bracket car racing with race gas It would milk up the oil in the valve covers around the breather connections  The motor cools down a lot slower than the headers do so it ends up sucking air back into the motor up the hoses into the valve covers and condenses the moisture in the air at the top of the motor   Once I disconnected the system it stop doing the milking of the oil so I took it off and warned other racers about those systems, you've been warned now  My next, maybe  , motor will have a vacume pump on it so the motor will be sealed up tight, no breathers or any other way for outside air to enter the motor  Moroso did add a PCV valve to thier systems later I think, I seem to remember that helped dry the moisture out of thier sytems according to other racers that used them  
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
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Re: E85 ruining my oil
[Re: MRMOPAR622]
#1638804
06/29/14 11:57 AM
06/29/14 11:57 AM
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Romeo MI
MR_P_BODY
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Master
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Where do you get these lean out valves and how are they plumbed in?
A lean out valve is the same as a cut off valve,you can buy them at Home depot,Lowes or Marvins most any hardware store.They are used for both water & gas and come in all sizes so you will have no problem finding one the size of your fuel line,you just splice it into your fuel line close to the carb.and when finish measure to see how long of a push pull cable you will need and go to the boat place and you can find them in most any length you need.I like the Morse cable best its more heavy duty,or you might could find a choke cable at Napa or Car Quest.When you get the cut off valve in your fuel line & a cable to open & close it,when you crank you engine you just close the valve(reducing the flow of the fuel) about 1/2 - 3/4 closed(close as much as possible with out stalling the engine) to warm the engine.Before I cut my engine off after making a pass or just warming it up I will lean it out with the barrel valve till it brings the idle up and then turn the engine off.
Thats why I like to induce the vac leak to lean it down..
its cheaper and easier to do the vac side.. no cable
and you dont have to mess with the fuel line.. hook
up a hose on the intake and run the hose inside to
a ball valve... I never did the one last step of putting
a needle valve on the ball valve so I could flip the
ball valve full open and the needle valve controlled
the leak rate... that just makes it super easy
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Re: E85 ruining my oil
[Re: Cab_Burge]
#1638806
06/29/14 01:06 PM
06/29/14 01:06 PM
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Quicktree
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I Win
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It takes no time for the E85 to milk down my Brad Penn oil.
It looks like crap. i run evac system and thats all. there is a tremendous amount of moisture in the motor.
Talking to a few guys at the track who run E85, they are talking about "lean out valves" and running the motor 200 degrees and such. Does not sound good to me.
Is E85 really this difficult? Small Block stroker 418,W-2, roller, drag race set up.
If your evac system is the old style hose from the breathers on the valve covers to the header collectors with a GM anti backfire valve in the collector it is probally the cause of your oil getting moisture in it I had that happen many years ago when those sytems, Million Dollar Promotions and the Moroso brands first came out on my old bracket car racing with race gas It would milk up the oil in the valve covers around the breather connections The motor cools down a lot slower than the headers do so it ends up sucking air back into the motor up the hoses into the valve covers and condenses the moisture in the air at the top of the motor Once I disconnected the system it stop doing the milking of the oil so I took it off and warned other racers about those systems, you've been warned now My next, maybe , motor will have a vacume pump on it so the motor will be sealed up tight, no breathers or any other way for outside air to enter the motor Moroso did add a PCV valve to thier systems later I think, I seem to remember that helped dry the moistureee out of thier sytems according to other racers that used them
ran that vac system for 2 seasons, no milk in the oil. So I doubt that is the cause.
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Re: E85 ruining my oil
[Re: Racebuddy]
#1638810
07/10/14 11:01 AM
07/10/14 11:01 AM
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Indy
FlyFish
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What does it normally run MPH wise? 60' is almost all in the squirters, your jetting is in the MPH. 7 sizes is a LOT...sounds like you might be lean now if it isn't pulling hard. What is your jetting and HSAB? Have you checked a plug, or do you have a wideband to tell the air/fuel ratio?
67 Barracuda street car, 408, e85, 1.38 60', 6.44 @105.9 in the 1/8 mile, 10.19 @130.5 in the 1/4...so far....
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Re: E85 ruining my oil
[Re: jst19600]
#1638812
07/10/14 01:23 PM
07/10/14 01:23 PM
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OH
TheBlackCar
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http://www.mcmaster.com/#6692k11/=ss05guThis is what most around here use. Just plumb a line to manifold and connect to back of valve. Mount valve within drivers reach and simply pull slide on this out to create a vacuum leak (lean out). Hope this helps...
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Re: E85 ruining my oil
[Re: TheBlackCar]
#1638813
07/10/14 10:27 PM
07/10/14 10:27 PM
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Posts: 7,348
Mt.Vernon ,Ohio
VernMotor
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Mt.Vernon ,Ohio
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http://www.mcmaster.com/#6692k11/=ss05gu
This is what most around here use. Just plumb a line to manifold and connect to back of valve. Mount valve within drivers reach and simply pull slide on this out to create a vacuum leak (lean out).
Hope this helps...
Now that is cool. I think I will have one of them. Never seen one 
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Re: E85 ruining my oil
[Re: VernMotor]
#1638814
07/10/14 10:46 PM
07/10/14 10:46 PM
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Romeo MI
MR_P_BODY
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Master
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Romeo MI
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For $30 I'll still use a needle valve(I'm cheap).. set it 1 time and thats it.. just turn the 1/4 ball valve wide open and let needle valve control the leak
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