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Question on high-end paint brands
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Hey Guys, What are some of the higher end paint brands these days for a base/clear paint job? Is PPG still a top of the line paint? Thanks! 
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Hey Guys,
What are some of the higher end paint brands these days for a base/clear paint job? Is PPG still a top of the line paint?
Thanks!
I believe Sikkens is one of the top brands, above PPG and Dupont. web page
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ATTENTION - I AM HIJACKING THIS POST.
There, okay what about acrylic enamel? Whose at the top of the heap there?
"We live in a time when intelligent people are being silenced so that stupid people won't be offended".
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There, okay what about acrylic enamel? Whose at the top of the heap there?
For Acrylic enamel/single stage to emulate a factory finish, as well as good color match Alts, (although ANY paint can be made to match a desired color/shade) Dupont Centari is about as good as it gets in my opinion
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Standox...
Only because you live near Detroit do I mention this.
I have been in a really fancy hi tech paint training facility in Detroit owned by Akzo Nobel, they make Sikkens, Lesonal and U tech paint. They painted one of my dragsters there, they tell me they use Sikkens on some of the worlds most expensive cars at the factory's.
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All very good choices for top of the line paints listed so far.....but the OP hasn't given a dollar figure he has in mind just for product alone, if he hasn't purchased paint ever, or product in some time, he's in for a shock, I have no issues dropping $500 to $1000 for a gallon of color, and another $3-$500 for clear on a high end paint product, it is what it is...but for some, the dollar amount decides the "quality" of paint....generally I refuse to paint a customers car with inferior grade economy lines offered by many of the current paint mfg's
So A34 is a $ fiqure part of your paint selection?, I know we all want the best bang for our buck, but we all have to pay the piper at some point
Mike
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but we all have to pay the piper at some point
This is true...
20 years ago, when we painted this car, the material cost was $2500.00...
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The Sikkens chip we looked at wasn't even close to a match...
The problem with color chips, color eye, color keys, computer mix formulas, that yesteryear and more so today, is that the paint mfg's have streamlined the color ALTs to an extreme minimum, and at some cases, just one formula code/mix, ANY color or Mfg's paint can be made to match the desired color/hue/tint/etc....picking paint based on a "chip" is just the beginning, for some it's the end all to their paint quest, so many times I have a customer tell me their "paint guy" says no mix/formula for a certain color, or they buy their own paint believing it's an exact match, because the chip is so close (usually out of a 30 year old book), or the computer says it's right....I've gone to great lengths to get color matches at times, only to have the guy mixing it, FUBAR it....or supplied paint for a customers project that another painter is going to use, only to find out he changed the primer shade value on the car, which can result in a profound effect on the finished color at times depending on the paint, and color in question....so intial color/chip matching means nothing if the entire painting process to achieve a "match" isn't followed and this means right up to the tech applying the paint and his/her technique(s) employed
Mike
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color/chip matching means nothing if the entire painting process to achieve a "match" isn't followed and this means right up to the tech applying the paint and his/her technique(s) employed
You bring up valid points...
I worked 'mixing paint' in the past...
Many are the variables...
I am basing my observation on what we saw come out of the gun on our 'sample' if you will, from Sikkens...
And from some cars I've seen in these parts sprayed FC-7 using Sikkens...
Not even close...
Could the formula from Sikkens be tweaked???
Perhaps...
All I'm saying is the formula from Standox was dead-nuts as far as a match for what we were looking for...
A formula I still have recorded to this day...
Your results may vary...
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All very good choices for top of the line paints listed so far.....but the OP hasn't given a dollar figure he has in mind just for product alone, if he hasn't purchased paint ever, or product in some time, he's in for a shock, I have no issues dropping $500 to $1000 for a gallon of color, and another $3-$500 for clear on a high end paint product, it is what it is...but for some, the dollar amount decides the "quality" of paint....generally I refuse to paint a customers car with inferior grade economy lines offered by many of the current paint mfg's
So A34 is a $ fiqure part of your paint selection?, I know we all want the best bang for our buck, but we all have to pay the piper at some point
Mike
Good question and point. My paint guy originally said he would use Glasurit, now he wants to use PPG. Ultimately, he said he'd use whatever I want. I'm trying to understand the rankings of quality. I want something that will give the longest lasting shine. I hope I never have to paint it again in my lifetime. So, for the next 40+ years what will stand the test of time?
Budget? Like most resto's I'm way over budget as is. What's another Grand? $500 to $1000 for paint is ok with me.
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This car was painted last weekend with Lesonal... My buddy that painted it said it was some of the best paint he has ever sprayed.. It is gy2 curious yellow, but looks more green inside his flourescent lighted shop. Kevin
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I hope I never have to paint it again in my lifetime. So, for the next 40+ years what will stand the test of time?
Good luck with that...
Much has changed since we laid down some Standox color...
'Water Bourne'...The absence of lead...
I hear some OEM is only looking for 7 years now...
My advice would be to research as much as you can...
You already know who gets my vote...
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All very good choices for top of the line paints listed so far.....but the OP hasn't given a dollar figure he has in mind just for product alone, if he hasn't purchased paint ever, or product in some time, he's in for a shock, I have no issues dropping $500 to $1000 for a gallon of color, and another $3-$500 for clear on a high end paint product, it is what it is...but for some, the dollar amount decides the "quality" of paint....generally I refuse to paint a customers car with inferior grade economy lines offered by many of the current paint mfg's
So A34 is a $ fiqure part of your paint selection?, I know we all want the best bang for our buck, but we all have to pay the piper at some point
Mike
Good question and point. My paint guy originally said he would use Glasurit, now he wants to use PPG. Ultimately, he said he'd use whatever I want. I'm trying to understand the rankings of quality. I want something that will give the longest lasting shine. I hope I never have to paint it again in my lifetime. So, for the next 40+ years what will stand the test of time?
Budget? Like most resto's I'm way over budget as is. What's another Grand? $500 to $1000 for paint is ok with me.
If the choice for you is Glasurit or PPG, ...I wouldn't hesitate to use Glasurit, IMHO PPG's line has always been sub-par as far as a quality/lasting product, esp for a vehicle you value, and plan on retaining...I only believe in restoring and painting a vehicle ONCE, unless there's been a accident/incident involving the vehicles finish, one should expect the finish to outlast them, the same goes for bodywork/rust prevention  
FYI Glasurit has a very good color matching system offering up to 4/5 Alts in some colors, very heavy in solids, I hope your painter has shot it before? if going Glasurit, make sure it's the 55 line which is BC/CC, avoid Glasurit's RM or Limco line, that's the cheap "production" stuff (bodyshop blow out crap)...
Mike
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