Re: Cam ideas for a 493: Idle to 5800 rpm range
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07/06/14 03:01 PM
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You can not make generalizations about LSA, because everything is related. Don't listen to any generalization about LSAs because most are misleading.
Get a custom cam, or there will be another thread on here in six months asking what other cam you need. It costs like 30 dollars more.
Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street
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Re: Cam/Converter ideas for a 493: Idle to 5800 rpm range
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07/18/14 07:32 PM
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Thanks to all that responded. After much consideration and after reading several articles, threads online and REreading Andy F's Big Block book, I settled on the Mopar 284/528 solid lifter cam. I'm impressed with what I have seen in regards to dyno sheets of engines built using this cam as it has an operating range exactly where I need. The 112 LSA will give a huge improvement in idle quality and vacuum. I use 1.6 rocker arms and intend to run the lash tighter than the .028 & .032 that is listed. This will put the net lift at around .543 to .550. I ordered another set of the Howards EDM lifters and a Howards billet timing set. In addition to the cam, I called Lenny at Ultimate Converter Concepts. He is going to build an 11" TC and should have it ready within 2-3 weeks. I will not miss the rough idle. I will not miss the loose feeling at cruise speeds. I am not driven by gas mileage, but the same engine with the 509 cam got almost 13 mpg at cruise. This Lunati got mid 10s. The 528 may allow me to get 15 or so. I like to drive the car a bunch and if I can get great street manners, tire frying torque and decent mpg, who could complain about that?
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Re: Cam/Converter ideas for a 493: Idle to 5800 rpm range
[Re: Kern Dog]
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07/18/14 08:30 PM
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.... and intend to run the lash tighter than the .028 & .032 that is listed.
Why?
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Re: Cam/Converter ideas for a 493: Idle to 5800 rpm range
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07/19/14 01:13 AM
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.... and intend to run the lash tighter than the .028 & .032 that is listed.
Why?
Of all the posts I have read regarding this cam, the majority prefer to tighten the lash to .020 intake and .022 exhaust to reduce clatter and to make the cam seem "bigger".
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Re: Cam/Converter ideas for a 493: Idle to 5800 rpm range
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07/19/14 09:01 AM
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.... and intend to run the lash tighter than the .028 & .032 that is listed.
Why?
Of all the posts I have read regarding this cam, the majority prefer to tighten the lash to .020 intake and .022 exhaust to reduce clatter and to make the cam seem "bigger".
Right. "...the majority prefer...."
Did the majority provide data? What does the majority have to do with your application?
I suggest that you install it per the manufacturer's recommendation, conduct your own tests with appropriate data collection, and conclude with clear evidence what works for your application. Maybe it is tighter lash, but prove it, don't assume it.
I can tell you that there are several very technical and data based decision making mopar guys that will tell you that their cars performed best with the MP lash spec verses a tighter lash, and can prove it. This is for their application.
Buying a cam and planning to install it with something other than the manufacturer's specs kinda means that you are planning to buy the wrong cam.
And don't forget, you have to advance it 4°.
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Re: Cam/Converter ideas for a 493: Idle to 5800 rpm range
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07/19/14 10:48 PM
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Cams are designed with a lash ramp or clearance ramp and the purpose of that ramp is only to take up the slack in the valve train and to allow the valves to to land softly and completely close. A start and finish line if you will. After the lash is taken up, it moves to the opening ramp. The problem that can arise with what you are considering is if you tighten the lash to where the lash ramp starts to open the valve, the lifter will see the opening ramp as a bump in the road so to speak which can shock load and de-stabilize the valve train when opening and potentially have the lifter lose contact and smack the heel on closing. None of the above is conducive to to a happy engine or engine owner. There is some tuning wiggle room on a "loose lash" cam but I think 010" would be excessive. I found this web site that has a bunch of cam design stuff. All non traditional engines but I believe the principals apply to any engine. http://www.tildentechnologies.com/index.htmlKevin
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Re: Cam/Converter ideas for a 493: Idle to 5800 rpm range
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07/20/14 02:42 AM
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I don't know the rest of your combo but I very happy with mine. Similar car I think but I have 4:10 gears and a 4 spd. My engine is very snappy, and I pretty darn happy even though most would not recommend my mix of parts or even consider it mismatched. 470" Mopar aluminum heads. Stage 6 but not the raised ports. MP .590 cam 10.4/1 CR HS 1.5 rockers Timing is 20/35.
The biggest improvement I made was taking off the M1/950 combo and going to a performer RPM and a holley 1000 cfm annular booster. Noticeable low end and midrange increase. Top end seems the same. Very responsive.
What is the rest of your combo?
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Re: Cam/Converter ideas for a 493: Idle to 5800 rpm range
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07/20/14 03:12 AM
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Hey Josh,
The engine is a '74 440 block .030 over. 4.15 stroke crank, 6.76 Manley rods. Ross flat tops with 6cc valve reliefs. Pistons sit .012 in the hole. Edelbrock heads ported and milled, 82cc chambers. .075 Cometic head gasket for a final CR or 10.07 to one. Lunati solid flat tappet cam 261/271 @ .050 INT/EXH, .556/.578 lift INT/EX, 106 C/L advanced 4 degrees to 102. .020/.022 lash INT/EXH. Howards EDM lifters. Mancini Racing/Harland Sharp 1.6 rocker arm set, Smith Brothers pushrods. Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, Demon 850 VS carb 83/92 jets with 3.5 PV. MP electronic distributor recurved: 17 initial, 34 total in by 2400. Chrome ECU, Taylor plug wires, NGK plugs gapped to .035 2" TTI headers, 3.5 collectors, 3" exhaust with X pipe and Dynomax Ultra Flo mufflers. 727 with shift kit, D & P 9 3/4" TC approx 3000 stall. Gear Vendors .78 overdrive 8 3/4" axle with '489 case, 3.91 gears with Power Lok Sure Grip. Moser Axles.
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Re: Cam/Converter ideas for a 493: Idle to 5800 rpm range
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07/20/14 08:52 AM
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....INT/EX, 106 C/L advanced 4 degrees to 102.
FWIW, the cam has a 108 LSA, The cam manufacturer recommends, and has ground in 2° advance, and you advanced it an additional 4°. Therefore the cam is installed 6° advanced.
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