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Re: 1970 Coronet RT ?
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No, the tips weren't standard issue........ The code will not be in the fender tag..... But hey, they look great........ A lot of cool pictures of '70's...... http://coronetrt.tripod.com/index.html
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By the looks of THIS PAGE on Andy440's site, looks to me like they were optional on the 70. But on THIS PAGE it looks like standard on 69 R/T and Super Bee.  Andy's site has a ton of great info and pictures! Darren
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By the looks of THIS PAGE on Andy440's site, looks to me like they were optional on the 70.
But on THIS PAGE it looks like standard on 69 R/T and Super Bee.
Andy's site has a ton of great info and pictures!
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By the looks of THIS PAGE on Andy440's site, looks to me like they were optional on the 70.
But on THIS PAGE it looks like standard on 69 R/T and Super Bee.
Andy's site has a ton of great info and pictures!
Darren
I don't see that it says optional? Just that there is a code for it! There is a code weather it's optional or not. It is presented on that sheet as though it is an option?
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[image]http://andy440.com/1970s.htm[/image]  It would seem that it was extra cost on Super Bee's, not available in California and standard only on Hemi equipped cars.... Dave
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My understanding is the Bee Hood was a STD option and the Ram Charger was Option you could check off
I also beleive that the 150 swipe dash cluster was a Std option and the Rallye dash was a checked off option as well...
Also... looking at n96 option it says not avalible with auto... I have a auto car with a N96 HOOD and a N96 code on fender tag...
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Ramcharger Hood and Rallye IP were both extra cost options on the R/T. Automatic SPEED CONTROL was not available with the Ramchager Hood, no transmission restrictions.
Also, in an R/T when you ordered the Rally IP you got a Tach/Clock combo (tic/toc tach)... but you could order just a tach OR clock (or nothing) with the Standard IP (150mph sweep). Hope this helps... Dave
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It would seem that it was extra cost on Super Bee's, not available in California and standard only on Hemi equipped cars....
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No that means Standard on Hemi cars except California Hemi cars. My California R/T 440 and my 70 Superbee 440+6 both have tips on the fender tag.
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Ramcharger Hood and Rallye IP were both extra cost options on the R/T. Automatic SPEED CONTROL was not available with the Ramchager Hood, no transmission restrictions.
Also, in an R/T when you ordered the Rally IP you got a Tach/Clock combo (tic/toc tach)... but you could order just a tach OR clock (or nothing) with the Standard IP (150mph sweep). Hope this helps... Dave
That is what I understood also....
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It would seem that it was extra cost on Super Bee's, not available in California and standard only on Hemi equipped cars....
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No that means Standard on Hemi cars except California Hemi cars. My California R/T 440 and my 70 Superbee 440+6 both have tips on the fender tag.
There a lot of wives tales about Chrome Tips and "California cars".
Another thing, what defines a "California car". N95 or sold new in California?? Or are those one in the same 100% of the time??
Do some other states/areas get N95 (like Denver area)?
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It would seem that it was extra cost on Super Bee's, not available in California and standard only on Hemi equipped cars....
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No that means Standard on Hemi cars except California Hemi cars. My California R/T 440 and my 70 Superbee 440+6 both have tips on the fender tag.
There a lot of wives tales about Chrome Tips and "California cars".
Another thing, what defines a "California car". N95 or sold new in California?? Or are those one in the same 100% of the time??
Do some other states/areas get N95 (like Denver area)?
Why would a Denver car be coded N95?
I was more curious as to why that calls out Hemi cars vs. 70 California (N95) E bodies with a hemi or 440+6 got turn downs.
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It would seem that it was extra cost on Super Bee's, not available in California and standard only on Hemi equipped cars....
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No that means Standard on Hemi cars except California Hemi cars. My California R/T 440 and my 70 Superbee 440+6 both have tips on the fender tag.
There a lot of wives tales about Chrome Tips and "California cars".
Another thing, what defines a "California car". N95 or sold new in California?? Or are those one in the same 100% of the time??
Do some other states/areas get N95 (like Denver area)?
Why would a Denver car be coded N95?
I was more curious as to why that calls out Hemi cars vs. 70 California (N95) E bodies with a hemi or 440+6 got turn downs.
I thought Denver had/has emission reg similar to California. They have a smog situation like SoCal. But don't know the time period on that.
I didn't want to make the assumption that N95 was only for California sold vehicles. Or L.A. plant built vehicles.
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They all have N95 so they all do not have N42
No disputing that. I also remember double taking at Pete Haldiman's old FC7 70 Hemi Challenger with turn downs (where's that car now).
I just hear/see a lot of bench race talk about ALL California car not getting tips or ALL LA built cars getting N95.
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Well my three California Challengers are all built in Hamtrack
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They all have N95 so they all do not have N42
No disputing that. I also remember double taking at Pete Haldiman's old FC7 70 Hemi Challenger with turn downs (where's that car now).
I just hear/see a lot of bench race talk about ALL California car not getting tips or ALL LA built cars getting N95.
Well that's just silliness since 340, 383 and 440 cars got tips. 
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For 1970 CHALLENGERN95 - Evaporative Control System - required on all cars registered in the State of California N.A. otherwise .......... $37.85N97 - Noise Reduction Package - required on all cars registered in the state of California equipped with 440-6 engines or 426 Hemi .......... N.C.CHARGERN42 - EXHAUST Bright Tips (N.A. California) R/T only .......... $20.80N95 - Evaporative Control System - required on all cars registered in the State of California N.A. otherwise .......... $37.85N97 - Noise Reduction Package - required on all cars registered in the state of California equipped with 383-4 or 440 engines .......... N.C.CORONETN42 - EXHAUST Bright Tips (N.A. California) Super Bee & R/T only .......... $20.80N95 - Evaporative Control System - required on all cars registered in the State of California N.A. otherwise .......... $37.85N97 - Noise Reduction Package - required on all cars registered in the state of California equipped with 383-4 or 440 engines .......... N.C.DARTN95 - Evaporative Control System - required on all cars registered in the State of California N.A. otherwise .......... $37.85POLARA & MONACON95 - Evaporative Control System - required on all cars registered in the State of California N.A. otherwise .......... $37.85This info is taken trom the 1970 Dodge Pocket Salesman's Guide posted on Hamtramck Historical. Does anyone have the '70 PLYMOUTH version? It would be great to see it posted also. Although not written in stone, here's my take: N95 - for any car destined to be "SOLD" new in California, I'm sure some cars with N95 were SOLD new in other states due to dealer trades & sales bank cars that were not in demand in California. Any ordered car that was delivered NEW in the State of California should have N95. N95 concerned the fuel system: fuel tank venting, gas caps, carburetors, etc.. N97 - Noise reduction was accieved in different ways on different body platforms, again California "only". E-body - eliminate N42 "bright exhaust tips" from 440-6 & Hemi cars. B-body - addition of resonators on 383-4 & 440 cars. These are the same resonators found "stock" on Hemi cars. N42 - According to the "pocket guide" none for California in: 440-6 & Hemi Challenger R/Ts 383-4, 440-6 & Hemi Super Bees 440-4, 440-6 & Hemi Charger R/Ts & Coronet R/Ts BUTThere are exceptions, I own a LA assembled 440-6 4-spd GTX; fender tag reads: N41 N42 N85 N95 N96 N97 or is that a Plymouth thing?
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getting back to the original post, my '68 R/T is coded on the fender tag for wheelwell and rocker moldings and not for the exhaust tips but it has them anyway (and always has)
All the chrome doodads, including tips, were part of the R/T package (except the CA cars) and the tag and/or BS may or may not be coded for them seperately. They were optional on Bees.
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getting back to the original post, my '68 R/T is coded on the fender tag for wheelwell and rocker moldings and not for the exhaust tips but it has them anyway (and always has)
All the chrome doodads, including tips, were part of the R/T package (except the CA cars) and the tag and/or BS may or may not be coded for them seperately. They were optional on Bees.
Not to be picky, but the original post mentioned the 1970 model year.. Also, you mentioned you car always had them. I'm taking it you're the original owner of the car or bought it from the original owner. Could very well have had them originally, but as an option. Using the point of "all R/T models came with all chrome doodads" is false. My v-code '70 Charger R/T didn't have them, wasn't on the BS. It came with turn-downs....... Either that, or someone took the tips off somewhere down the road. If the bright tips where standard on R/T and Superbees only, then why would there be a $20+ option cost listed.
Just food for thought or I'm missing something.
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"This info is taken trom the 1970 Dodge Pocket Salesman's Guide posted on Hamtramck Historical.
Does anyone have the '70 PLYMOUTH version? It would be great to see it posted also."
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 Posts that stray from the original question often indicate how unknown the answers to these questions are. Differences exist within a model year & model. Bringing other years and models into the question doesn't help to clarify the question or answer. I know I am guilty of this also in my post above, but I was trying to point out the facts of the differences within Dodge in the '70 model year, after the Challengers got thrown into the post. So ... does anybody have a b'cast sheet (or LA fender tag) for a '70 Coronet R/T, Super Bee or Charger R/T that shows: N42 N95 N97 ??  I think the original question was answered, N42 was an OPTION ($20.80 ) on '70 Coronet R/Ts.It would be listed on the b'cast sheet or window sticker, and on a LA assembled car's fender tag.
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So ... does anybody have a b'cast sheet (or LA fender tag) for a '70 Coronet R/T, Super Bee or Charger R/T that shows: N42 N95 N97 ??
Not an LA built car but a Lynch Road 70 440-6 4 speed bee I used to own. The broadcast sheet for my old car has N95 N96 N97 AND N42 on it!
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So ... does anybody have a b'cast sheet (or LA fender tag) for a '70 Coronet R/T, Super Bee or Charger R/T that shows: N42 N95 N97 ??
I'll check my Superbee 440+6 BS when I get home. I don't know if it has N97, but it does have N42 and N95.
I can't check on my old 70 R/T as I sent the BS to the new owner
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Nope ... originally FJ5 "lime light", but custom painted early in its life.
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Thanks for the replys , to add another question to the mix - are the wheel lip molding standard on a 70 Coronet RT , I do at least know it had them and there isnt anything on the fender tag
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[image]  [/image] I know these are not B bodies but I would think B&E cars would be the same for California. These two tags are from a couple of 1970 cudas I have, a 440+6 & 440 4bbl. Both cars are 4 speeds both cars have n95 but the shaker car has turned down exhaust. I was told years ago that if you had fresh air intake the tips would be deleted for noise reduction. The 440 4bbl... n41, n42, n95 The 440+6... n41, n95, n96, n97
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I know these are not B bodies but I would think B&E cars would be the same for California.
That's the problem & source of confusion. You can't compare apples to oranges, in this case b-bodies to e-bodies or 1970 Coronets to 1968 Coronets or 440-4bbl to 440-6bbl.
On an e-body the SHAKER had nothing to do with N97 - "noise reduction".
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I know these are not B bodies but I would think B&E cars would be the same for California.
That's the problem & source of confusion. You can't compare apples to oranges, in this case b-bodies to e-bodies or 1970 Coronets to 1968 Coronets or 440-4bbl to 440-6bbl.
On an e-body the SHAKER had nothing to do with N97 - "noise reduction".
Then please explain why the noise reduction is on the shaker car.
In California n95 + n96 got you n97 on an e body. I am sure that a few might have slipped through, but they would have been an anomaly. You must remember 1970 was the first year for earth day, and all kinds of pollution were targeted to be reduced including noise pollution. Here in California the intake volume through the fresh air system made enough noise along with the exhaust note to be over the limit, so you got n97.
Why does the 440 4 bbl have tips? Do you think the guy that bought the 6bbl didn't have the $20 for tips, or maybe he didn't want the ev2 shaker car to be too flashy with chrome tips?
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The difference IS the 6bbl on an E-body!! Quote:
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N95 - Evaporative Control System - required on all cars registered in the State of California N.A. otherwise .......... $37.85
N97 - Noise Reduction Package - required on all cars registered in the state of California equipped with 440-6 engines or 426 Hemi .......... N.C.
This info is taken trom the 1970 Dodge Pocket Salesman's Guide posted on Hamtramck Historical.
N97 - Noise reduction was accieved in different ways on different body platforms, again California "only".
E-body - eliminate N42 "bright exhaust tips" from 440-6 & Hemi cars.
I will "assume" Plymouth's 'Cuda was dealt with in the same manner (in California).
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I have seen grills with red pin stripe in surround..and then not with pin stripe
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Barry, Same 2 pages? I put some time/effort into this topic, this is what I came up with: 1970 performance cars sold in California Super BeeHEMI - N41, N95, N96, N97 (STD or Mandatory) N97 = NO TIPS383 4bbl - N41, N95, N97 (STD or Mandatory) & N42, N96 (optional) N97 = noise reduction mufflers 440 6bbl - N41, N95, N97 (STD or Mandatory) & N42, N96 (optional) N97 = add resonatorsCoronet R/THEMI - N41, N95, N96, N97 (STD or Mandatory) N97 = NO TIPS440 4bbl - N41, N95, N97 (STD or Mandatory) & N96 (optional) N97 = NO TIPS440 6bbl - N41, N95, N97 (STD or Mandatory) & N42, N96 (optional) N97 = add resonatorsCharger R/THEMI - N41, N95, N97 (STD or Mandatory) N97 = NO TIPS440 4bbl - N41, N95, N97 (STD or Mandatory) N97 = NO TIPS440 6bbl - N41, N95, N97 (STD or Mandatory) & N42 (optional) N97 = add resonatorsChallenger340 4bbl - N41, N42, N95 (STD or Mandatory) & N94, N96 (limited/optional) Challenger R/THEMI - N41, N95, N97 (STD or Mandatory) & N94, N96 (limited/optional) N97 = NO TIPS383 4bbl - N41, N42, N95 (STD or Mandatory) & N94, N96 (limited/optional) 440 4bbl - N41, N42, N95 (STD or Mandatory) & N94, N96 (limited/optional) 440 6bbl - N41, N95, N97 (STD or Mandatory) & N94, N96 (limited/optional) N97 = NO TIPSRoad RunnerHEMI - N41, N95, N96, N97 (STD or Mandatory) N97 = NO TIPS383 4bbl - N41, N95, N97 (STD or Mandatory) & N42, N96 (optional) N97 = noise reduction mufflers 440 6bbl - N41, N95, N97 (STD or Mandatory) & N42, N96 (optional) N97 = add resonatorsGTXHEMI - N41, N95, N96, N97 (STD or Mandatory) N97 = NO TIPS440 4bbl - N41, N95, N97 (STD or Mandatory) & N96 (optional) N97 = NO TIPS440 6bbl - N41, N95, N97 (STD or Mandatory) & N42, N96 (optional) N97 = add resonators'CudaHEMI - N41, N95, N97 (STD or Mandatory) & N96 (optional) N97 = NO TIPS340 4bbl - N41, N42, N95 (STD or Mandatory) & N96 (limited/optional) 383 4bbl - N41, N42, N95 (STD or Mandatory) & N96 (limited/optional) 440 4bbl - N41, N42, N95 (STD or Mandatory) & N96 (limited/optional) 440 6bbl - N41, N95, N97 (STD or Mandatory) & N96 (optional) N97 = NO TIPS The guides make it "clear-as-mud", but what happened to a 383 4bbl Charger, Sport Satellite, or Coronet 500?   I'm thinking the 383 4bbl, 440 4bbl, & 440 6bbl b-bodies with N97 may have required resonators only if "tips" were ordered?? More to follow ... 
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Re: 1970 Coronet RT ?
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but what happened to a 383 4bbl Charger, Sport Satellite, or Coronet 500?
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I thought those cars never got tips anyway. Neither did 70 383 N code E-bodies
Only non performance package (R/T, GTX, RR..) cars I can think of that got dual chrome tips were 70 A66 Challengers, 71 340 Challengers (non R/T), and maybe 71 Charger S/E 440 cars???
Getting off subject with tips, would be the 64-66 273 HP single big resonator chrome tips. Did every 273 HP get them? Or just Dart GT's and Formula "S". You could get a 273 HP Dart station wagon.
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Re: 1970 Coronet RT ?
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but what happened to a 383 4bbl Charger, Sport Satellite, or Coronet 500?
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I thought those cars never got tips anyway. Neither did 70 383 N code E-bodies
Only non performance package (R/T, GTX, RR..) cars I can think of that got dual chrome tips were 70 A66 Challengers, 71 340 Challengers (non R/T), and maybe 71 Charger S/E 440 cars???
Getting off subject with tips, would be the 64-66 273 HP single big resonator chrome tips. Did every 273 HP get them? Or just Dart GT's and Formula "S". You could get a 273 HP Dart station wagon.
I believe we were talking N95 - "CA emissions" & N97 - "CA noise reduction".  or was it N42 - "tips" on a Coronet R/T that started this?
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Re: 1970 Coronet RT ?
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but what happened to a 383 4bbl Charger, Sport Satellite, or Coronet 500?
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I thought those cars never got tips anyway. Neither did 70 383 N code E-bodies
Only non performance package (R/T, GTX, RR..) cars I can think of that got dual chrome tips were 70 A66 Challengers, 71 340 Challengers (non R/T), and maybe 71 Charger S/E 440 cars???
Getting off subject with tips, would be the 64-66 273 HP single big resonator chrome tips. Did every 273 HP get them? Or just Dart GT's and Formula "S". You could get a 273 HP Dart station wagon.
I believe we were talking N95 - "CA emissions" & N97 - "CA noise reduction". or was it N42 - "tips" on a Coronet R/T that started this?
You went down the road with the 383 Sport Satelites and Chargers. 
I think 70 A66 340 Challengers should be added to that list since they got tips and they are really a fairly parallel car to a 70 340 Cuda.
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Re: 1970 Coronet RT ?
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1970 b-body - b'cast sheet tailpipe codes LT & RT: OVER THE AXLE w/TURNDOWNS03 & 10 (part #s 3404 003 & 3404 810) w/ N41 on: 383 4bbl Charger, 383 4bbl Sport Satellite, 383 4bbl Road Runner 440 4bbl Charger R/T, 440 4bbl Coronet R/T 440+6bbl Road Runner, 440+6bbl Superbird ------ also on a N41 & N95 440 4bbl Charger R/T OVER THE AXLE w/N42 - "CHROME TIPS"14 & 13 (part #s 3404 014 & 3404 013) w/ N41 & N42 on: 383 4bbl Road Runner 440 4bbl Charger R/T, 440 4bbl GTX OVER THE AXLE w/RESONATORS & N42 - "CHROME TIPS"20 & 09 w/ N41 & N42 on: HEMI Charger R/T, HEMI Coronet R/T Anybody have a '70 b-body b'cast sheet with N97 - "noise reduction"?? or a combination not covered above
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My understanding is the Bee Hood was a STD option and the Ram Charger was Option you could check off
I also beleive that the 150 swipe dash cluster was a Std option and the Rallye dash was a checked off option as well...
Also... looking at n96 option it says not avalible with auto... I have a auto car with a N96 HOOD and a N96 code on fender tag...
Wow, this thread's had lots of action since I checked last!
As DodgeMaterial said, the Auto. refers to Automatic speed control, not automatic transmission. My '70 Super Bee is a 727 car with N96.
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Re: 1970 Coronet RT ?
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I need to know is there resonators or not with my dual exhaust and chrome tips. thanks don
Yes, you would have: "H"-pipe, mufflers, over-the axle, resonators & tips.
HEMI b-body Exhaust "H"-pipe
RT 70 (2781 270) & LT 00 (NONE)
OVER THE AXLE w/RESONATORS & N42 - "CHROME TIPS"
RT 20 & LT 09 w/ N41 & N42 on:
HEMI Charger R/T, HEMI Coronet R/T, HEMI Super Bee
per 1970-'71 Chrysler Parts Catalog Jan. '72 edition.
Muffler - 3404 839
Resonator - 2883 923
Extension (chrome tip) - 2883 829
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P45 - power assist - "deck lid release"The option was a factory c-body option, not listed as available on a b-body. Is it "factory original" to the car? Is it listed on the b'cast sheet or original window sticker? My guess: added by the dealership or borrowed from a c-body in the past 38+ years
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Re: 1970 Coronet RT ?
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P45 - power assist - "deck lid release"
The option was a factory c-body option, not listed as available on a b-body.
Is it "factory original" to the car?
Is it listed on the b'cast sheet or original window sticker?
My guess: added by the dealership or borrowed from a c-body in the past 38+ years
cool I have one was thinking of using it.... was wondering what that pig tail was for?
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Re: 1970 Coronet RT ?
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My post from 2+ years ago edited
For 1970
CHALLENGER
N95 - Evaporative Control System - required on all cars registered in the State of California (N.A. otherwise) .......... $37.85
N97 - Noise Reduction Package - required on all cars registered in the state of California equipped with 440-6 engines or 426 Hemi .......... N.C.
CHARGER
N42 - EXHAUST Bright Tips R/T w/HEMI (N.A. California) .......... STD
N42 - EXHAUST Bright Tips R/T (440-4 & 440-6) .......... $20.80
N95 - Evaporative Control System - required on all cars registered in the State of California (N.A. otherwise) .......... $37.85
N97 - Noise Reduction Package - required on all cars registered in the state of California equipped with 383-4 or 440 engines .......... N.C.
CORONET
N42 - EXHAUST Bright Tips Super Bee & R/T w/HEMI (N.A. California) .......... STD
N42 - EXHAUST Bright Tips Super Bee (383-4 & 440-6) & R/T (440-4 & 440-6) .......... $20.80
N95 - Evaporative Control System - required on all cars registered in the State of California (N.A. otherwise) .......... $37.85
N97 - Noise Reduction Package - required on all cars registered in the state of California equipped with 383-4 or 440 engines .......... N.C.
DART
N95 - Evaporative Control System - required on all cars registered in the State of California (N.A. otherwise) .......... $37.85
POLARA & MONACO
N95 - Evaporative Control System - required on all cars registered in the State of California (N.A. otherwise) .......... $37.85
Although not written in stone, here's my take:
N95 - for any car destined to be "SOLD" new in California, I'm sure some cars with N95 were SOLD new in other states due to dealer trades & sales bank cars that were not in demand in California. Any ordered car that was delivered NEW in the State of California should have N95. N95 concerned the fuel system: fuel tank venting, gas caps, carburetors, etc..
N97 - Noise reduction was accieved in different ways on different body platforms, again California "only".
E-body - eliminate N42 "bright exhaust tips" from 440-6 & Hemi cars.
B-body - addition of resonators on 440+6 cars. These are the same resonators found "stock" on Hemi cars.
N42 - none for California in:
440-6 & Hemi Challenger R/Ts
Hemi Super Bees
Hemi Charger R/Ts & Coronet R/Ts
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Re: 1970 Coronet RT ?
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1970 b-body - b'cast sheet tailpipe codes LT & RT:
OVER THE AXLE w/TURNDOWNS
03 & 10 (part #s 3404 003 & 3404 810) w/ N41 on:
383 4bbl Charger, 383 4bbl Sport Satellite, 383 4bbl Road Runner
440 4bbl Charger R/T, 440 4bbl Coronet R/T
440+6bbl Road Runner, 440+6bbl Superbird
------ also on a N41 & N95 440 4bbl Charger R/T
OVER THE AXLE w/N42 - "CHROME TIPS"
14 & 13 (part #s 3404 014 & 3404 013) w/ N41 & N42 on:
383 4bbl Road Runner
440 4bbl Charger R/T, 440 4bbl GTX
OVER THE AXLE w/RESONATORS & N42 - "CHROME TIPS"
20 & 09 w/ N41 & N42 on:
HEMI Charger R/T, HEMI Coronet R/T
Anybody have a '70 b-body b'cast sheet with N97 - "noise reduction"??
or a combination not covered above
I have the broadcast sheet for my car (WM21V0A) that is N41, N42, N95 and N97 if you still need it.
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Re: 1970 Coronet RT ?
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Just because a car was an L.A.built car dosen't necessarily mean that it had the California noise reduction package does it? What if the car was going to another state besides California?
70 Charger R/T SE 472 Hemi
70 Charger R/T convertible
70 Charger R/T V Code Sixpack
69 Charger R/T SE Sunroofcar
68 Charger 383
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Re: 1970 Coronet RT ?
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Just because a car was an L.A.built car dosen't necessarily mean that it had the California noise reduction package does it? What if the car was going to another state besides California?
I believe that's correct. Cars built at LA but not intended for sale in California should not be required to have the California specific articles, N95 or N97.
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Re: 1970 Coronet RT ?
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My 70 6-pack bee had an aftermarket exhaust system on it when I bought it, and it has a factory spring clip nut with a broken bolt still in it on the inside of the rear frame rail a little forward from where the hanger would mount if chrome tips were used. Does this sound like where a hanger would have been if the car had turn down pipes originally?
On the bottom of the rail or on the side , trying to remember where it was on my 68 sport satellite ?
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