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Re: Totally Anal Small Block Details- 318/340/360 1972 & Up [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1835737 05/28/15 12:31 AM 05/28/15 12:31 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms OP Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms OP Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Ok, Latest subject. Let's talk 1968-1972 340 fan blades. Please show pics of your original fan blades and part#s (please be specific as to what year yours is when posting). Keep in mind that only 100% known originals to the engine being studied are what's helpful here. Here is one off my survivor 1971 340 engine. It's got a "215" blade.

Re: Totally Anal Small Block Details- 318/340/360 1972 & Up [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1835842 05/28/15 09:26 AM 05/28/15 09:26 AM
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FJR doc mopar F Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 502 Brownstown, PA	Here are the numbers off my clutch and fan on my 1970 Duster 340 Follow my Duster 340 restoration progress on FABO http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=225784 Kevin

Re: Totally Anal Small Block Details- 318/340/360 1972 & Up [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1837922 05/31/15 11:47 AM 05/31/15 11:47 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 16,210 Mesa, Arizona D dart4forte I Live Here
dart4forte I Live Here D Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 16,210 Mesa, Arizona	Originally Posted By ScottSmith_Harms Ok, Latest subject. Let's talk 1968-1972 340 fan blades. Please show pics of your original fan blades and part#s (please be specific as to what year yours is when posting). Keep in mind that only 100% known originals to the engine being studied are what's helpful here. Here is one off my survivor 1971 340 engine. It's got a "215" blade. The trick will be replicating the part number. My part number along with the pen taster is stamped into my blade. “So if it’s on the internet it must be true” Abe Lincoln

Re: Totally Anal Small Block Details- 318/340/360 1972 & Up [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1837934 05/31/15 12:04 PM 05/31/15 12:04 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms OP Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms OP Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Quote: The trick will be replicating the part number. My part number along with the pen taster is stamped into my blade. Do you mean replicating the ink stamp when a fan is being restored? If so there are ink stamps made for that now (as well as the "Engine Side" stamps) I've also got my own in the works because I'm not happy with the accuracy of the current versions. The part#'s being stamped into each of the blades vs the ink stamped versions (and a 3rd version with just a small pentastar and number without the full part#) was a variable depending on when your car was built. I think more info. is needed on this topic concerning which is right for which application, year, etc.

Re: Totally Anal Small Block Details- 318/340/360 1972 & Up [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1837975 05/31/15 12:53 PM 05/31/15 12:53 PM
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ademon master A Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,906 IL, Aurora	I need the ink stamp for the clutch, I have a nice tight clutch but can hardly make out the numbers

Re: Totally Anal Small Block Details- 318/340/360 1972 & Up [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1838126 05/31/15 05:28 PM 05/31/15 05:28 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,679 Hamtramck, PA A Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer
Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,679 Hamtramck, PA	216 fan - 1970 318 with AC from a 10-69 built St. Louis B-body;

Re: Totally Anal Small Block Details- 318/340/360 1972 & Up [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1838127 05/31/15 05:29 PM 05/31/15 05:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,679 Hamtramck, PA A Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer
Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,679 Hamtramck, PA	216 fan from Kevin's AAR Cuda;

Re: Totally Anal Small Block Details- 318/340/360 1972 & Up [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1838176 05/31/15 07:03 PM 05/31/15 07:03 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms OP Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms OP Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Thanks Barry, Here are some more of a 216 I have here. For the life of me I can not find ANYTHING that makes it different from a 215 other than the ink stampings and that the 215 lacks the embossed Pentastar and the 46237 in each blade tip. Unfortunately I do not know what this came off of. I media blasted it but taped over and saved the ink stamping, the hub did have the "Engine Side" stamping.

Re: Totally Anal Small Block Details- 318/340/360 1972 & Up [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1838177 05/31/15 07:04 PM 05/31/15 07:04 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms OP Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms OP Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Some more

Re: Totally Anal Small Block Details- 318/340/360 1972 & Up [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1838179 05/31/15 07:05 PM 05/31/15 07:05 PM
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ScottSmith_Harms OP Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	This clutch was with this blade

Re: Totally Anal Small Block Details- 318/340/360 1972 & Up [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1838184 05/31/15 07:07 PM 05/31/15 07:07 PM
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ScottSmith_Harms OP Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	This is the 215 fan from my survivor 71 340 for comparisons, this was out of a Sept 1970 SPD, Los Angeles Plant 340 4 speed Demon, no A/C.

Re: Totally Anal Small Block Details- 318/340/360 1972 & Up [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1838187 05/31/15 07:13 PM 05/31/15 07:13 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms OP Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms OP Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Both blades stacked.

Re: Totally Anal Small Block Details- 318/340/360 1972 & Up [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1838199 05/31/15 07:24 PM 05/31/15 07:24 PM
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Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,679 Hamtramck, PA	Different cut out in the blade tips. Can you trace one blade of each onto a piece of paper to show the difference?

Re: Totally Anal Small Block Details- 318/340/360 1972 & Up [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1838206 05/31/15 07:36 PM 05/31/15 07:36 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms OP Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms OP Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	I can see with my eyes that the blade tip shapes are a match, dead nuts, but just to humor the thought I did trace them both on paper, exact match.

Re: Totally Anal Small Block Details- 318/340/360 1972 & Up [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1838212 05/31/15 07:49 PM 05/31/15 07:49 PM
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Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,679 Hamtramck, PA	Black one looks like it has more of an arch to me, with a flatter curve in the silver. I checked the parts book; 215 - 18" diameter. (Valiant & Dart w 340) 216 18.5" diameter. (Multiple cars, 318, 340 & Hemi)

Re: Totally Anal Small Block Details- 318/340/360 1972 & Up [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1838215 05/31/15 07:59 PM 05/31/15 07:59 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms OP Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms OP Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	You just found it Barry, I don't see any difference in the archs but the blades on the 216 are 1/4" longer, the difference is between that raised rib and the outer tip, man what an optical illusion!

Re: Totally Anal Small Block Details- 318/340/360 1972 & Up [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1838218 05/31/15 08:03 PM 05/31/15 08:03 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms OP Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms OP Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	So now, back to the search for original 340 cars.....Which fan does yours originally have? Further more, how is it marked, with ink or stamped into the steel?

Re: Totally Anal Small Block Details- 318/340/360 1972 & Up [Re: Alaskan_TA] #1838221 05/31/15 08:05 PM 05/31/15 08:05 PM
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mccannix master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,802 Ontario, Canada	Barry is right Scott...I've been through it, 18.5 for the 216, 18 for 215. Blades are definately different cut/pitch. If you look close at your stacked pictures you can see it. Here is a few not so good pictures.

Re: Totally Anal Small Block Details- 318/340/360 1972 & Up [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1838223 05/31/15 08:09 PM 05/31/15 08:09 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms OP Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms OP Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Terry, no argument there, Barry was right. I just put both on a flat table top and measured each, the 215 is 2.25" "deep" and the 216 is 2.50" deep. Once I finally realized that the blades are different lengths I quit comparing. I just found it odd that they were apparently the same (and as it turns out they are not). Can you add anything to the big picture as to when the part# was stamped into the blades as opposed to ink stamped? The info I have is inconsistent so far.

Re: Totally Anal Small Block Details- 318/340/360 1972 & Up [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1838244 05/31/15 08:42 PM 05/31/15 08:42 PM
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dart4forte I Live Here D Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 16,210 Mesa, Arizona	Originally Posted By ScottSmith_Harms Quote: The trick will be replicating the part number. My part number along with the pen taster is stamped into my blade. Do you mean replicating the ink stamp when a fan is being restored? If so there are ink stamps made for that now (as well as the "Engine Side" stamps) I've also got my own in the works because I'm not happy with the accuracy of the current versions. The part#'s being stamped into each of the blades vs the ink stamped versions (and a 3rd version with just a small pentastar and number without the full part#) was a variable depending on when your car was built. I think more info. is needed on this topic concerning which is right for which application, year, etc. That's makes it easy “So if it’s on the internet it must be true” Abe Lincoln

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