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Re: "Custom 33"
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We have updated the rear suspension and upgraded the rod ends with stainless. This car also feature tubes without knurling! Makes for a nice clean look! If you see something we can improve on please let us know, we love making the product better by others feedback.
Owner of Custom33.com 1933 Plymouth Coupe and Roadster Kits
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Re: "Custom 33"
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12/13/14 03:28 PM
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Wife added a little touch of class to the project.
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Re: "Custom 33"
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12/14/14 09:14 AM
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Wife added a little touch of class to the project.
that's pretty neat ! did i ever ask what you thought it will weigh when done ?
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Re: "Custom 33"
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12/14/14 03:55 PM
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23 - 2400 per Custom 33. Should be an easy 12 second ride with the mild 360 build.
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Re: "Custom 33"
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12/14/14 04:28 PM
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Looking at the chassis, I have serious concerns.
No cross bracing on the chassis. Ackerman does not exist. Crap for bumpsteer, I really love how tall those bumpsteer spacers are. Scrub line looks like it might be close to hitting. 5 link rear is "interesting". Rod ends? Come on, not legal. In Texas I have to get an ASE certified master chassis tech to inspect this to get a title. I know it won't pass a legit inspection and I know I wouldn't want to drive it other than on and off the trailer for shows as designed.
They say there are no such thing as a stupid question.
They say there is always the exception that proves the rule.
Don't be the exception.
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Re: "Custom 33"
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12/14/14 04:32 PM
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56 Plaza 63 D100 step side 67 Coronet, 68 Roadrunner, 69 Super Bees, 69 Coronet 500 convertible, 70 Roadrunner Post, 79 D150 360, and a severe case of Mopar a,d,d
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Re: "Custom 33"
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12/14/14 05:29 PM
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I don't think the door latches are included, Bear Claw does make a nice set with safety locks, similar to modern latches.
They say there are no such thing as a stupid question.
They say there is always the exception that proves the rule.
Don't be the exception.
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Re: "Custom 33"
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12/14/14 06:57 PM
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Looking at the chassis, I have serious concerns.
No cross bracing on the chassis. Ackerman does not exist. Crap for bumpsteer, I really love how tall those bumpsteer spacers are. Scrub line looks like it might be close to hitting. 5 link rear is "interesting". Rod ends? Come on, not legal. In Texas I have to get an ASE certified master chassis tech to inspect this to get a title. I know it won't pass a legit inspection and I know I wouldn't want to drive it other than on and off the trailer for shows as designed.
So, what did you see, that I must have missed, that allowed you to see all these imperfections? Gene
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Re: "Custom 33"
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12/14/14 08:53 PM
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I will answer these questions very nicely because I know everybody has a opinion and a keyboard
No cross bracing on the chassis-Please look at the pictures posted on this site and on facebook, it has chassis bracing by Custom33 and also with transmission mount.
Ackerman does not exist. Crap for bumpsteer, I really love how tall those bumpsteer spacers are- The car actually bumps near zero thus the purpose of the spacers but we have now changed to a traditional ball joint so street rod people will be more comfortable. PS we drive racecars over 200MPG with same setup on this car.
Scrub line looks like it might be close to hitting=Please explain your definition of scrub line
5 link rear is "interesting"- I have never put my eyes on a 5 link but would love to see a 5 link suspension if you could share pictures.
Rod ends are perfectly normal and DOT approved but just like the bumpsteer adjusters you can see from the latest cars we are building them with 4 bar ends which have urethane bushings
In Texas I have to get an ASE certified master chassis tech to inspect this to get a title. I know it won't pass a legit inspection and I know I wouldn't want to drive it other than on and off the trailer for shows as designed- If i had to trust a ASE certified chassis tech to approve my car for safety I would ride the city bus. Dont hang your hat on that certification as most engineers designing modern cars havent heard of ASE but I am sure they dont know what they are doing either.
If you took the original all steel ford,chevy or plymouth 1930's car and did a crash test, closed coarse test and safety inspection I am extremely confident my car will be just fine!!!!!!!!!!!
Owner of Custom33.com 1933 Plymouth Coupe and Roadster Kits
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Re: "Custom 33"
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12/15/14 12:11 PM
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1. I looked over your pictures. You still have a ladder frame with no provisions to prevent racking. That's where your rectangle turns into a diamond. Look at the frame in a 38 Plymouth in the link , see the big X in the middle, that is crossbracing. 2. raising the rack rather than a tall stack of a bumpsteer fix would have been smarter. Cantilevering the outer tierod end is a poor substitute, look up cantilever I do not have time to explain the English language to you. What about the ackermann? It appears in the pictures that the outer tie rods are inboard the ball joints, not proper in a front steer. 3. My definition of a scrub line is the same as the world's. If I have to define it for you then you don't know it. If you don't know it did you account for it? scrub line 4. 5 link, if you don't know what it is why are you in the chassis business? 5 LINK - 101 5. Got the DOT approval letter on those rod ends? I'm guessing no, not really guessing though. 6. ASE, the state requires the inspection by an ASE certified master mechanic to title a kit car build. I do not care if you ever heard of them as it appears there is much you have never heard of. I do not care if you "trust" one to do a safety inspection as it appears you are pretty much slapping stuff together as cheaply as possible and calling it "good". What it really looks like to me is that you got yourself a copy of how to build your own T bucket frame and used that as your basis for this chassis.
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Re: "Custom 33"
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12/15/14 03:54 PM
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I looked over your pictures. You still have a ladder frame with no provisions to prevent racking. That's where your rectangle turns into a diamond.
Look at the frame in a 38 Plymouth in the link , see the big X in the middle, that is crossbracing.
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raising the rack rather than a tall stack of a bumpsteer fix would have been smarter. Cantilevering the outer tierod end is a poor substitute, look up cantilever I do not have time to explain the English language to you.
What about the ackermann? It appears in the pictures that the outer tie rods are inboard the ball joints, not proper in a front steer.
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My definition of a scrub line is the same as the world's. If I have to define it for you then you don't know it. If you don't know it did you account for it? scrub line
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5 link, if you don't know what it is why are you in the chassis business? 5 LINK - 101
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Got the DOT approval letter on those rod ends? I'm guessing no, not really guessing though.
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ASE, the state requires the inspection by an ASE certified master mechanic to title a kit car build. I do not care if you ever heard of them as it appears there is much you have never heard of. I do not care if you "trust" one to do a safety inspection as it appears you are pretty much slapping stuff together as cheaply as possible and calling it "good".
What it really looks like to me is that you got yourself a copy of how to build your own T bucket frame and used that as your basis for this chassis.
Hey Steve ( Mr occupation - yawning ???  ), Pretty good links. Thanks. Racking for sure won't be an issue. 12 3/4" bolts go through 1/4" plate floor and the fiber glass body floor in to the frame center section. 4' length of the frame in the middle will be stuffer than a wedding -----! Ackerman - Outer tie rods are outboard of the kingpin centerline. You had an optical illusion. Haven't really checked scrub line yet. Could be close in some spots. It's on my check list to do when I bust the tires off the rims for painting. Contemplating adding a panhard rod. Probaly drive it as it is first and see how it handles without one. As far a ASE certifications. I'm the buyer. I'm also MASTER certified in both car and truck - and been that way for many years. Although I am proud of it, I also know just how much "water that holds". Many states went the way of Texas. Weak attempt to weed out incompetent's. Unfortunately, most states, like Texas, are automotive clueless, so please save that BS and smartarsed comments for another site ( yawing ). Thanks again for the input and links. John
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Re: "Custom 33"
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12/15/14 07:43 PM
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I will keep this thread positive by ignoring this post. I hope you enjoy your day and your Cuda. Quote:
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I looked over your pictures. You still have a ladder frame with no provisions to prevent racking. That's where your rectangle turns into a diamond.
Look at the frame in a 38 Plymouth in the link , see the big X in the middle, that is crossbracing.
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raising the rack rather than a tall stack of a bumpsteer fix would have been smarter. Cantilevering the outer tierod end is a poor substitute, look up cantilever I do not have time to explain the English language to you.
What about the ackermann? It appears in the pictures that the outer tie rods are inboard the ball joints, not proper in a front steer.
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My definition of a scrub line is the same as the world's. If I have to define it for you then you don't know it. If you don't know it did you account for it? scrub line
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5 link, if you don't know what it is why are you in the chassis business? 5 LINK - 101
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Got the DOT approval letter on those rod ends? I'm guessing no, not really guessing though.
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ASE, the state requires the inspection by an ASE certified master mechanic to title a kit car build. I do not care if you ever heard of them as it appears there is much you have never heard of. I do not care if you "trust" one to do a safety inspection as it appears you are pretty much slapping stuff together as cheaply as possible and calling it "good".
What it really looks like to me is that you got yourself a copy of how to build your own T bucket frame and used that as your basis for this chassis.
Owner of Custom33.com 1933 Plymouth Coupe and Roadster Kits
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Re: "Custom 33"
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12/15/14 08:55 PM
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I looked over your pictures. You still have a ladder frame with no provisions to prevent racking. That's where your rectangle turns into a diamond.
Look at the frame in a 38 Plymouth in the link , see the big X in the middle, that is crossbracing.
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raising the rack rather than a tall stack of a bumpsteer fix would have been smarter. Cantilevering the outer tierod end is a poor substitute, look up cantilever I do not have time to explain the English language to you.
What about the ackermann? It appears in the pictures that the outer tie rods are inboard the ball joints, not proper in a front steer.
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My definition of a scrub line is the same as the world's. If I have to define it for you then you don't know it. If you don't know it did you account for it? scrub line
By the pictures I saw, Scrub line was pretty good, that's not something you can accurately see from the pictures provided. Beside that, in this day and age, there are a lot of buyers that would lower things so they could scrape frame.
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5 link, if you don't know what it is why are you in the chassis business? 5 LINK - 101
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Got the DOT approval letter on those rod ends? I'm guessing no, not really guessing though.
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ASE, the state requires the inspection by an ASE certified master mechanic to title a kit car build. I do not care if you ever heard of them as it appears there is much you have never heard of. I do not care if you "trust" one to do a safety inspection as it appears you are pretty much slapping stuff together as cheaply as possible and calling it "good".
What it really looks like to me is that you got yourself a copy of how to build your own T bucket frame and used that as your basis for this chassis.
1) I had an 80 Dodge 4x4 that diamonded when it got wrecked, and there isn't much bracing to prevent my 93 Dakota ladder frame from diamonding in a crash either. Dodge, and a lot of other manufacturers have been making straight ladder frames for years, that is a pretty lame excuse.
2) It sounds like this has already been addressed, but even if not, it can be easily addressed. This would not be a deal breaker to me.
I don't see how you can clearly say if the Ackerman is good or not by the pictures provided, angles are just not right to clearly see.
3) By the pictures I saw, Scrub line looks pretty good, that's not something you can accurately see from the pictures provided. Beside that, in this day and age, there are a lot of buyers that would lower things so they could scrape frame.
4) Why didn't you just say 4 link with a panhard bar? Beside that, all I saw was a 4 link.
5) Really? Even the NSRA allows those tie rod ends through their inspection if a washer is present. Most states accept NSRA safety inspection as a legal inspection process, I'm sorry for you that Texas is not among them.
6) I gave up my ASA cert when I gave up wrenching for a living because of a health issue. You have pretty bold talk for someone who really doesn't have any idea who you are speaking with. Having spent many hours with ASA certified Techs, I can tell you I have little faith in the testing system. The fact that Texas seems to think so highly of a set of papers, kind of bothers me just a little, but it is what it is. I'm curious what kind of Doc you think I should be seeing? A guy like me might be doing the safety inspection on your next car.....
So, when do we get to inspect the frames you build? Since you can clearly see what's wrong with what everyone else does, the frame you build must be perfect, and you need to show us so the rest of us can come up to speed. Have you ever built one from scratch? Gene
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Re: "Custom 33"
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The website has finally been updated with new pictures showing the latest chassis improvements. www.custom33.com
Owner of Custom33.com 1933 Plymouth Coupe and Roadster Kits
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