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The answer maybe Josh needs to sell MMW to someone who can run it , return it to the event it was known for?

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you mean like charlie,so he can cut the purses without notifing anyone?

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Oh nuts, I just spit coffee all over the monitor!!!
Yeah get down to 3 cars they give you $ and I say thats not what the flyer says.
They say we didn't have enough cars to pay that amount.
I'm standing there thinking man there had to be 150 cars in Pro. What can you do then?
Don

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The answer maybe Josh needs to sell MMW to someone who can run it , return it to the event it was known for?

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scot wants to buy it, spread the word.

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I will just say I have never raced a race where if there was a rain out I was not refunded or given a rain check.

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Well damn it let me get in my too!!!!

The way I look at these "Special events" is this is a track rental ---- Josh does NOT own the track and he has to pay for the weekend if he uses the facility or not. If he owned the track and could accomodate everyone some other weekend I'm sure he would but thats not the case. Look at it this way - you go rent a condo out on the beach for you and your wife/girlfriend to go have a fantastic weekend relaxing out on the beach. Then you wake up Saturday morning and out of no where comes a hurricain and you have to leave and not be able to go back through the weekend - do the people have to give you another weekend for FREE??? They are all booked up for the next 2 years and no weekends available. Do they have to refund your $$$ because of an act of god??? You rented a power washer for a weekend to wash down the house but the thunderstorms came and you could not get outside to safely wash down the house so does that mean you get free rental from Home Depot the next time you have the time to wash down your house??

You pay you take the chance to race (at these special events). I missed the first year the race was held at Indy because I decided not to make the trip because of the forecasted weather. Guess what they raced and I was at home... Then I went and it rained but again so what at least I was not sitting at home. If I was to worry about anything it would be why did I spend $500.00 or more in expenses to go to a race when I thought there would be a chance of a rain out. The entry fee is nothing compared to the expenses. Now I'm sure the payout $$$ could have been handled a different way and maybe next time it will be and if not oh well.

My only beefs are:
1. why is KK only an 1/8 mile race when I am pretty sure they can handle a 1/4 mile race.
2. Why did Bird not share any of his Jack with me

See ya at Norwalk for sure and KK to be determined


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Best response yet....Russ get's it !

These brand specific races are about fun and friendship. The racing is just a bonus.

While you're all complaining, pissing and moaning..... think about the members we've lost who won't have the opportunity to socialize or race.

I feel very fortunate to have guys like Josh,BG or any other promoter who is willing to stick his neck out so we can have a good time. I'll be thinking about my good buddy LabRat when we're at Norwalk this year.


Ron

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The answer maybe Josh needs to sell MMW to someone who can run it , return it to the event it was known for?

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People do not like thiefs, period. I would put that guy Josh down in the thief category. Sell a service, take the money, and the stuff delivered does not have the work done. Fraud/theft by deception.

Well, and I can add to the description a liar too. It was him on the phone making the promises, him sending me the bill, and later him that denied the whole thing.

Maybe he is pocketing the money for the work that was sold but not done. Just like how he has done you folks at races.

Some day somebody is gonna get his azz for a federal fraud crime. That [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] gets years per count. I would have persued that but it would have involved dragging my engine builder into the mess, and I did not think a few hunderd bucks was worth that. He'll get his.

This isn't about paying Mopar dues to fraudsters just because they are one of the few remaining suppliers. Too often these days fraud is becomming part of the business model and that has to be resisted at every chance.

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People do not like thiefs, period. I would put that guy Josh down in the thief category. Sell a service, take the money, and the stuff delivered does not have the work done. Fraud/theft by deception.

Well, and I can add to the description a liar too. It was him on the phone making the promises, him sending me the bill, and later him that denied the whole thing.

Maybe he is pocketing the money for the work that was sold but not done. Just like how he has done you folks at races.

Some day somebody is gonna get his azz for a federal fraud crime. That [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] gets years per count. I would have persued that but it would have involved dragging my engine builder into the mess, and I did not think a few hunderd bucks was worth that. He'll get his.

This isn't about paying Mopar dues to fraudsters just because they are one of the few remaining suppliers. Too often these days fraud is becomming part of the business model and that has to be resisted at every chance.

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So my take after reading all of these negative posts I have to wonder why anybody would want to hold a Mopar only event/race. It seems no matter what, after every Mopar only event/race, no matter who the promoter was they got trashed.
Indy Cylinder heads makes Mopar parts and you guys continually trash them also.

Did you ever wonder why other businesses don't want to make parts for Mopars? Its probably because of all of the negative garbage spewed constantly on the internet.

Here is something else How would you like your name or business trashed on the internet where it would affect how you feed your family?

So with that being said here is something you guys can ponder. If you continue to trash people and businesses you will have no parts, a job or a place to race, who wins now?

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People do not like thiefs, period. I would put that guy Josh down in the thief category. Sell a service, take the money, and the stuff delivered does not have the work done. Fraud/theft by deception.

Well, and I can add to the description a liar too. It was him on the phone making the promises, him sending me the bill, and later him that denied the whole thing.

Maybe he is pocketing the money for the work that was sold but not done. Just like how he has done you folks at races.

Some day somebody is gonna get his azz for a federal fraud crime. That [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] gets years per count. I would have persued that but it would have involved dragging my engine builder into the mess, and I did not think a few hunderd bucks was worth that. He'll get his.

This isn't about paying Mopar dues to fraudsters just because they are one of the few remaining suppliers. Too often these days fraud is becomming part of the business model and that has to be resisted at every chance.

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You are as much of an a$$ behind the keyboard as exists. Your remarks are enough to make someone sick...

You dont know what yur talking about and Im sick of listening.



You Ordered Parts from Indy Cylinder Head----NOT ME understand that first--- I dont machine, Install or spec anything---I take information and I take orders---Im not nor claimed to be an engine builder


Yuo sent me an invoice to pay to have your rotating kit re-balanced because your engine builder said it was 7 grams out----I told you that when it left, it was within 3 Grams---regardless pretty close---what you dont know is that every balancer is different a 10 gram swing can happen just by moving the bob weights ever so slightly----

YOUR ARE FIRST COMPLAINING ABOUT 4 GRAMs ---ANY ONE with some experience can chime in if im out of line----

Second claim was that your engine builder felt the deck was to high and that one bank was .0025-.003 lower than the other side of the block and that you were unhappy with the deck surface---- so now he decks the block to his liking, but now yuo claim the compression is to high-----


Look at it from my side Airwoofer-----I DONT OWN THIS PLACE AND I DONT MAKE THE FINAL DECISIONS SO KEEP MY NAME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH---


And do me a favor and dont ruin that nice car you just bought

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People do not like thiefs, period. I would put that guy Josh down in the thief category. Sell a service, take the money, and the stuff delivered does not have the work done. Fraud/theft by deception.

Well, and I can add to the description a liar too. It was him on the phone making the promises, him sending me the bill, and later him that denied the whole thing.

Maybe he is pocketing the money for the work that was sold but not done. Just like how he has done you folks at races.

Some day somebody is gonna get his azz for a federal fraud crime. That [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] gets years per count. I would have persued that but it would have involved dragging my engine builder into the mess, and I did not think a few hunderd bucks was worth that. He'll get his.

This isn't about paying Mopar dues to fraudsters just because they are one of the few remaining suppliers. Too often these days fraud is becomming part of the business model and that has to be resisted at every chance.

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You are as much of an a$$ behind the keyboard as exists. Your remarks are enough to make someone sick...

You dont know what yur talking about and Im sick of listening.



You Ordered Parts from Indy Cylinder Head----NOT ME understand that first--- I dont machine, Install or spec anything---I take information and I take orders---Im not nor claimed to be an engine builder


Yuo sent me an invoice to pay to have your rotating kit re-balanced because your engine builder said it was 7 grams out----I told you that when it left, it was within 3 Grams---regardless pretty close---what you dont know is that every balancer is different a 10 gram swing can happen just by moving the bob weights ever so slightly----

YOUR ARE FIRST COMPLAINING ABOUT 4 GRAMs ---ANY ONE with some experience can chime in if im out of line----

Second claim was that your engine builder felt the deck was to high and that one bank was .0025-.003 lower than the other side of the block and that you were unhappy with the deck surface---- so now he decks the block to his liking, but now yuo claim the compression is to high-----


Look at it from my side Airwoofer-----I DONT OWN THIS PLACE AND I DONT MAKE THE FINAL DECISIONS SO KEEP MY NAME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH---


And do me a favor and dont ruin that nice car you just bought

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You just take orders and do not follow up what the shop does? So there is no connection between what YOU sell and what gets delivered to customers? The block was NOT decked, the rotating assy with the custom pistons was NOT balanced. Indy (YOU) charged me for work that was not done. My builder fixed that stuff and YOU called us liars when I called and brought it up. All I wanted was to be reinbursed for the work that was charged to me and was not done. That's all I wanted.

So tell us what really happened. Is it all Russ' fault and you just work there and can't do anything about it? I only brought this up in the thread because there are guys saying that YOU lied to them and it was about money. I see a pattern here. You are the common link.

Grams... nobody even knows what the unit of measurement "grams" is when discussing balancing. If you are talking bob weight the crank was NEVER touched by Indy, just the factory big holes were there. Much more had to be done. I am lucky the guy locally here who I hired to build the motor could do the machine work.

It definately sounds like you are not an engine builder.

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