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Measured my blocks ridge,rigid hone ok or have to bore? #1584618 02/26/14 08:03 PM 02/26/14 08:03 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,766 Central Valley, CA. Quicksilver440 OP I Live Here
Quicksilver440 OP I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,766 Central Valley, CA.	Measured my 440 blocks cylinder bores and I'm trying to figure out what I want to do with it. I really am trying to be lowbuck on this one, but I'll do what I need to do if necessary. With a dial bore gauge, measuring the untouched top of each cylinder and just below the ridge...I get between .0013-.0015 wear (ridge). I'm tempted to just hone the cylinders as I may have a line on a new set of pistons for real cheap at the current bore. To me (not a machinist and not really that knowledgable in this area) that seems like minimal wear and would hone right out with a ridged hone. As I don't have the pistons on hand...I can't measure them to see what exactly that would do to piston-to-wall clearances. They are KB Hyperuetic pistons which would put compression right where I want it to be. Input is appreciated.....I figured as long as I don't exceed .0040" that they may be a bit noisey....but would be otherwise ok. Opinions?

Re: Measured my blocks ridge,rigid hone ok or have to bore? [Re: Quicksilver440] #1584619 02/26/14 10:56 PM 02/26/14 10:56 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az Crizila master
Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	"Low buck build", ridged hone it and run it. Fastest 300

Re: Measured my blocks ridge,rigid hone ok or have to bore? [Re: Crizila] #1584620 02/26/14 11:00 PM 02/26/14 11:00 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,766 Central Valley, CA. Quicksilver440 OP I Live Here
Quicksilver440 OP I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,766 Central Valley, CA.	Quote: "Low buck build", ridged hone it and run it. My only hesitation is changing to the higher Compression height pistons.....

Re: Measured my blocks ridge,rigid hone ok or have to bore? [Re: Quicksilver440] #1584621 02/26/14 11:03 PM 02/26/14 11:03 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Only problem you will have is KB pistons normally call for a tight piston to wall... you might be way above that.... time to hone it and measure what you get... then based on that make your call

Re: Measured my blocks ridge,rigid hone ok or have to bore? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1584622 02/27/14 12:46 AM 02/27/14 12:46 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376 D dogdays I Live Here
dogdays I Live Here D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376	KBs use MORE clearance than a stock 440 piston. It should work out fine. Be sure the top ring won't catch on the ridge, though! R.

Re: Measured my blocks ridge,rigid hone ok or have to bore? [Re: dogdays] #1584623 02/27/14 02:05 AM 02/27/14 02:05 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,766 Central Valley, CA. Quicksilver440 OP I Live Here
Quicksilver440 OP I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,766 Central Valley, CA.	I thought the KB forged required extra clearance... while the KB hyperuetic can be run with, but like, less? Last edited by Quicksilver440; 02/27/14 02:37 AM.

Re: Measured my blocks ridge,rigid hone ok or have to bore? [Re: Quicksilver440] #1584624 02/27/14 03:49 AM 02/27/14 03:49 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: I thought the KB forged required extra clearance... while the KB hyperuetic can be run with, but like, less? Thats my understanding

Re: Measured my blocks ridge,rigid hone ok or have to bore? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1584625 02/27/14 04:03 AM 02/27/14 04:03 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,766 Central Valley, CA. Quicksilver440 OP I Live Here
Quicksilver440 OP I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,766 Central Valley, CA.	Quote: Only problem you will have is KB pistons normally call for a tight piston to wall... you might be way above that.... time to hone it and measure what you get... then based on that make your call I'm sure your right....just didn't want to waste my time honing if it was way too much wear to even consider trying it. I'll give her a try....

Re: Measured my blocks ridge,rigid hone ok or have to bore? [Re: Quicksilver440] #1584626 02/27/14 09:17 AM 02/27/14 09:17 AM
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85_Ram_4speed master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 3,325 Truckville, the capital of NY	All the big blocks I have built for myself and others with KB hypers got .0025" piston to wall clearance set up as a fresh new build. That said, you can run a little more, but it's not really recommended. If they are a domed piston and are in any way close to the chambers in the head, you may want to look at those clearances as the piston is going to move alot more. Also don't expect the the same ring and skirt wear as a tighter running piston. On the cheap, it could work, but it won't be ideal for sure. But you already know that going in. And truth be known, would run ok for a cheap build. There certianly have been worse things done by others. Outcast Dodge guy.

Re: Measured my blocks ridge,rigid hone ok or have to bore? [Re: Quicksilver440] #1584627 02/27/14 03:27 PM 02/27/14 03:27 PM
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Performance Only top fuel P Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,091 Delray beach, Florida	Quote: Quote: Only problem you will have is KB pistons normally call for a tight piston to wall... you might be way above that.... time to hone it and measure what you get... then based on that make your call I'm sure your right....just didn't want to waste my time honing if it was way too much wear to even consider trying it. I'll give her a try.... You should find an old block to practice on. It's very unlikely as a new user with the AN style hone that you'll get the cylinders straight and round and also with the correct cross hatch. Also, make sure the drill you use is variable speed so you can time the stroke vs. head rotation to work on the cross hatch. I somehow manage to get a few of those blocks in every year that are pretty messed up because the user thought "how hard can it be?" It takes practice to get it right. machine shop owner and engine builder

Re: Measured my blocks ridge,rigid hone ok or have to bore? [Re: Performance Only] #1584628 02/27/14 03:46 PM 02/27/14 03:46 PM
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CHAPPER master C Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,410 Belpre,Ohio	Quote: Quote: Quote: Only problem you will have is KB pistons normally call for a tight piston to wall... you might be way above that.... time to hone it and measure what you get... then based on that make your call I'm sure your right....just didn't want to waste my time honing if it was way too much wear to even consider trying it. I'll give her a try.... You should find an old block to practice on. It's very unlikely as a new user with the AN style hone that you'll get the cylinders straight and round and also with the correct cross hatch. Also, make sure the drill you use is variable speed so you can time the stroke vs. head rotation to work on the cross hatch. I somehow manage to get a few of those blocks in every year that are pretty messed up because the user thought "how hard can it be?" It takes practice to get it right. I don't try to hand hone blocks anymore. I have found that a good power honing with a Sunnen or equivalent to be much more accurate. As for the varible speed drill sugestion, I have used an air powered drill with a small regulator at the connection. This allows you to maintain the speed of the hone consistently. Also, a good rubber tarp strap, hooked to the drill, and supported by an engine hoist, allows the up/down movement to be made without so much back pain. If you like drag racing, support your local track.

Re: Measured my blocks ridge,rigid hone ok or have to bore? [Re: CHAPPER] #1584629 02/27/14 03:56 PM 02/27/14 03:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,766 Central Valley, CA. Quicksilver440 OP I Live Here
Quicksilver440 OP I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,766 Central Valley, CA.	I appreciate your guys input/advice. I will definitely try my hand on a junk block first. Don't want to screw it up...but I sure like to do things myself and learn. Spent more on tools than farming it out would have cost for sure...but I like to try things. I tried my hand at bpaint before...found out it wasn't for me! Lol...

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