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Re: Is this possible?
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02/09/14 09:51 PM
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I guess it depends on the air that day, but unless you had a very good 60 foot from the BFG T/A's... It is tough to run 11.70's??
Bob K's 440/6pk 69 runner goes 12.10's to 12.20's. And that car is really sorted out.
I am interested to see the incrementals from the run.
Cheers,
Arnie
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70 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 4-speed. 13.2 @ 104 Stock exhaust/Street tires.
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Re: Is this possible?
[Re: 70ucode]
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02/09/14 11:23 PM
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I was at mopars at Englishtown several moths ago and made a couple of passes. I red lighted on the first pass then on the second pass ran alone and my time slip showed 11.70 at 114mph. Car number and lane number are correct. I just finished this car so it was the first time at the track. My car is a 70 cuda 4speed Dana with 3:54 gears. BF Goodrich T/A on 15x7 ralleys. Engine was rebuilt mostly stock 10.5-1 Pistons, Mr Six-Pac Cam, Good valve job, TTI exhaust with manifolds. On the engine dyno it produced 426hp@ 5400 and 523ft lbs TQ at 2300rpm. Is 11.70 possible with those specs? Seems off to me. Did I have a great run? Or is it more likely that there was a mistake. Love to hear you thoughts. I plan to try again at Muscle Palooza in spring. John
No,You would be hard pressed with those tires to get into the 12's.
My wifes 360 4 speed Challenger makes similar power numbers. With T/As and a 3.55 it's been 13.20@107. With slicks and a 4.30 it's been 12.50@110.
Doug
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Re: Is this possible?
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02/11/14 03:56 AM
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ET sounds correct for the speed, for a car with bite. Don't see how you could get deep into the ll's at that speed on street tires, though. With Radial T/A's and 3.54 gears, I'd expect 11.70 to need nearly 120mph. By comparison, my car goes 11.80's @ 113, but thats on ET Street radials with 3.91's riding on Calvert suspension that lets me mash the floor right out of the hole. I typcially short time @ 1.63. For your combo to go 11.70's, if I'm guessing it at around 3650lbs with you in the seat, you would need to be knocking on the 500 hp door to get to 114. I'm rooting for you, but something seems a little fishy (no pun intended). I admit that I'd have to see a backup slip to feel confident about that number. Only one thing to do, I guess.... 
LemonWedge - Street heavy / Strip ready - 11.07 @ 120
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Re: Is this possible?
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02/11/14 04:07 AM
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I don't see it as possible. The tires for one, won't hook up that well. As an example, I have an 06 GT mustang, Saleen blower with 7psi boost making about 480 at the crank. The weights would be close, your car to mine. The Mustang only pulled a 2.00 60 ft, went 12.42 at 115 mph. Most 7 psi blown mustangs like mine put out about 470 to 480 hp at the crank, 420 at the tires.
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Re: Is this possible?
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02/11/14 10:04 PM
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Hey John, I was thinking about this, and your trap speed is in line with the pure stock six pack cars, and you've got some light head work and bigger tires. I don't think it's totally impossible if you pulled off a decent 60 foot time. The pure stock guys usually run 4.10s but with your brutal torque at 2300 rpm it may not have minded the 3.54s much.
Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat
Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street
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Re: Is this possible?
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02/11/14 11:25 PM
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Hey John, I was thinking about this, and your trap speed is in line with the pure stock six pack cars, and you've got some light head work and bigger tires. I don't think it's totally impossible if you pulled off a decent 60 foot time. The pure stock guys usually run 4.10s but with your brutal torque at 2300 rpm it may not have minded the 3.54s much.
Probably not a great comparison.
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Re: Is this possible?
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02/12/14 12:31 AM
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Hey John, I was thinking about this, and your trap speed is in line with the pure stock six pack cars, and you've got some light head work and bigger tires. I don't think it's totally impossible if you pulled off a decent 60 foot time. The pure stock guys usually run 4.10s but with your brutal torque at 2300 rpm it may not have minded the 3.54s much.
Probably not a great comparison.
One might not think, but didn't you trap 108 with the 272/272, manifolds, six pack, and 2.25 inch pipes with 3.23s?
Hes running Bob Ks cam
Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat
Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street
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Re: Is this possible?
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02/12/14 04:20 PM
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Hey John, I was thinking about this, and your trap speed is in line with the pure stock six pack cars, and you've got some light head work and bigger tires. I don't think it's totally impossible if you pulled off a decent 60 foot time. The pure stock guys usually run 4.10s but with your brutal torque at 2300 rpm it may not have minded the 3.54s much.
Probably not a great comparison.
One might not think, but didn't you trap 108 with the 272/272, manifolds, six pack, and 2.25 inch pipes with 3.23s?
Hes running Bob Ks cam
Right.
My point was to whom the results should be compared. I just don't think the quickest of the PSMCDR A12 guys is a good comparison. And actually, I have not ruled out anything yet, although I am leaning in the same direction as most everyone else.
Depending on the answers to the questions I've asked, I could see the car trapping at 111 mph. And if the car has a true street tire and factory suspension it is really hard to get them to 60 ft much better than 2.0 sec. But that is a lot of guessing and assumptions on my part.
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Re: Is this possible?
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02/12/14 05:32 PM
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Car has to weigh at least 3800 lbs. Do the math, 426 HP is not going to go 114@3800. At best 110-111. And I'll bet it's closer to 3900-4000lbs. Am I correct? Doug
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Re: Is this possible?
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Hey John, I was thinking about this, and your trap speed is in line with the pure stock six pack cars, and you've got some light head work and bigger tires. I don't think it's totally impossible if you pulled off a decent 60 foot time. The pure stock guys usually run 4.10s but with your brutal torque at 2300 rpm it may not have minded the 3.54s much.
Probably not a great comparison.
One might not think, but didn't you trap 108 with the 272/272, manifolds, six pack, and 2.25 inch pipes with 3.23s?
Hes running Bob Ks cam
Right.
My point was to whom the results should be compared. I just don't think the quickest of the PSMCDR A12 guys is a good comparison. And actually, I have not ruled out anything yet, although I am leaning in the same direction as most everyone else.
Depending on the answers to the questions I've asked, I could see the car trapping at 111 mph. And if the car has a true street tire and factory suspension it is really hard to get them to 60 ft much better than 2.0 sec. But that is a lot of guessing and assumptions on my part.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think that it's likely or that would be easy, but I do think its possible. The Pro Tru Wisecos that John is running are 625 grams a peice, so they're fairly light. As I recall hes running 255s or 275s out back. Promax is reputable, and he has headwork that the pure stock guys don't have. Depending on how much bowl work was done they may flow 250-260 cfm or so. He is also running the Edelbrock intake, not the Chrysler cast iron intake.
Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat
Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street
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