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I am posting these pictures on here to show a member on here what the Mopar Stge IV heads look like, Mods pleasse bear with me on this. Thanks Cab

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Re: Mopar Stge IV head picture [Re: Cab_Burge] #1574966
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Re: Mopar Stge IV head picture [Re: Cab_Burge] #1574967
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Re: Mopar Stge IV head picture [Re: Cab_Burge] #1574968
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whats the difference between these heads and the 906??? thanks

Re: Mopar Stge IV head picture [Re: loren kraker] #1574969
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In my opinion, the Stage IV is much like the 452 (flat roof) and the Stage V is more like the 906 (arched roof).

Re: Mopar Stge IV head picture [Re: loren kraker] #1574970
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whats the difference between these heads and the 906??? thanks


Not much that I know of This set has 2.14 intakes and 1.81 exhaust but I'm sure they where added later on, not stock out of the box

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What port do these come with???

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In my opinion, the Stage IV is much like the 452 (flat roof) and the Stage V is more like the 906 (arched roof).




First off I want to compliment you on the engines you built for the Mopar Muscle challenge!

Second which would make more power for a street/stip engine?
Pros-cons.
Thanks, Don

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Thank you for the recognition.

As the 906 has more potential than the 452, the Stage V has more potential than the Stage IV. Plus the Stage V has a much better exhaust port than the 906.

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What port do these come with???




Does what come with?

Re: Mopar Stge IV head picture [Re: LaRoy Engines] #1574975
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Chuck Millen at Best Machine and Dwayne Porter both ported a set of Stage V's back in around 2004 for myself and one other gentlemen. I believe the info is easy to find inthe tech archives by searching stage V. Also the exhaust port is improved as well (it's so shallow and tight radius ....it's amazing they could do much with it at all) and I believe the IV and V share the same exhaust port.

The Stage IV's as cast were not much better then the 906 however additional material was cast into the port roofs and built up on the floors to enhance the rather severere short side of the 906/452's. This was first done with the IV's and later further improved on the V's. Out of the box not much but when well ported they do start picking up around .400 lift and in the right hands the Stage V flows on par with a mildly ported Edelbrock.

The Stage V makes an awesome 500" stroker head, the improvements in the mid lifts add a lot of torque and extend the RPM range compared to a 452/906 that is ported to flow as well at say .550/.600, you just can't get the same mid lift numbers without the short-side radius improvements, not without some pretty extensive/expensive roof mods.

It's been about 30 years since I held a Stage 4 but I think they also cast them to reduce the pushrod pinch and required maybe a .100" offset intake rocker? Sorry, I'm trying to remember that far back but I think the V also had a smaller pinch but it didn't require the offset due to enlarging/bridgporting the pushrod pasages in the thicker as-cast port walls.

I'm sure Experts will chime in and tell me if my memory still serves...or not!

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Re: Mopar Stge IV head picture [Re: LaRoy Engines] #1574976
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In my opinion, the Stage IV is much like the 452 (flat roof) and the Stage V is more like the 906 (arched roof).


That nails it pretty good. I have s set laying around some where and that is what I thought. The stock stage IVs ports seem like mildly ported "smogger" heads without the "Hubber hump" on the port floor. The intake ports are a little taller than stock, but, not by much, and it has a "flat" port floor and low port roof much like a stock smogger. And the pushrods pinch is a little wider than the stock heads. Crane at one time made a slight offset rocker for the stage IVs. The stage IVs have maybe a little more meat for porting so a "Max effort" type port job and big valves may yield a little more flow than a smogger head ported to the same degree. The exhausts look like stock ports, just a bit bigger.
The combustion chamber looks about stock to me. Oh well, this is what I recall

Re: Mopar Stge IV head picture [Re: 6PACMAC] #1574977
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my iv's cracked through the valve seat

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Hello; Is that seat cracked on the exhaust?? I have one here to on the exhaust. It's a thin area under the short turn were there is very little metal for suport!!!! Another better idea form MOPAR!!! They never did have a clue what there were doing!!!! Have you had it fix yet, and how was it done. Thanks

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This is going back 25 yrs (testing my memory here) but I ran Stage V's on my 500 inch 440 in a chassis car at 2400Lbs with a Glide. I spent all my money on the short block and had to scrimp on the heads (there weren't many options anyway back then). I believe with just a gentle port opening and some bowl work we got them flowing in the 280-285 range. I did use a Crane offset intake rocker and 2.14/1.81 valves.
The difference on the V over the IV in addition to the better exhaust port already mentioned was the oil passage was smaller dia so the pushrod was able to move over a little if I recall correctly.

It was a great combo, it would run 9.50's/9.60's at 140 with a 1.28 60 ft. Through the years I have seen guys with better heads not go any faster. I think the port velocity must have been way up there and it just plain worked.

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Hello; Is that seat cracked on the exhaust?? I have one here to on the exhaust. It's a thin area under the short turn were there is very little metal for suport!!!! Another better idea form MOPAR!!! They never did have a clue what there were doing!!!! Have you had it fix yet, and how was it done. Thanks





i really dont remember which seat it was in, that was years ago
we did pin it at the time, and it lasted a little while then went to seeping again, the machine shop said it was a thin area
they are on the shelf out there somewhere

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stage v's tuned up by dwayne porter

intake exhaust
.1-72.5 .1-57.2
.2-148.2 .2-117.1
.3-212.2 .3-168.2
.4-256.3 .4-200
.5-278.7 .5-202.5
.6-290.2 .6-204.9

Re: Mopar Stge IV head picture [Re: lewtot184] #1574982
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Here's my intakes with 2.19" intake valve (which I think enhanced the mid lift flows (265 cfm @ .400 is really pretty decent):

Stage V's (ported)

.100"--75.6
.200"--159.4
.300"--221.7
.400"--264.6
.500"--280.
.600"--285.5
.700"--289.9


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