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Re: “Frankenstein” is almost alive!
[Re: Sport440]
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03/25/14 09:42 AM
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WadeMetzinger
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Wade, did you get a full run in on the first pass, or did you just do a breakin run?
I have respect for your honesty on the good or bad that happend to your car.
Im about to do the same first run testing. Good or bad I will disclose the outcome too. Some would hide it or disappear out of ego issues. Glad to see your not one of them. 
Thanks I've learned a lot from the MOPARTS community so I want to share my buitd with other so they can learn and those that have more experience can comment and ask questions so I can continue to learn as well. (I wished someone would have asked me about the counter weight to piston clearance. Lol)
I did make a full pass, it blew up on the 2nd pass.
It picked up the front wheels and while they were in the air it spun so it wasn't a good pass. If your not one of the first few down the track at test-n-tune the street tire cars destroy the track. It had a 1.38 60' 6.17 1/8 and 9.66 at 138mph which was 2 tenths and 4 mph slower than I expected but it spun off the line so it wasn't a good pass. On the 2nd pass it went 6.15 in the 1/8 and blew up at the 800 to 1,000 foot.
Hope to get it out this weekend and I'll share pictures and more iron on what I learned.
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Re: “Frankenstein” is almost alive!
[Re: WadeMetzinger]
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03/25/14 10:31 AM
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Thats a MAJOR bummer Wade... I do have a set of 4.440 pistons with chevy pins... they were for my B-1 that are for sale... they were for a 4.15 crank 
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Re: “Frankenstein” is almost alive!
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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03/25/14 02:51 PM
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WadeMetzinger
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Thats a MAJOR bummer Wade... I do have a set of 4.440
pistons with chevy pins... they were for my B-1
that are for sale... they were for a 4.15 crank
Will the B-1 pistons work on standard heads, like the 440-1s? I think I've heard they will but not sure.
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Re: “Frankenstein” is almost alive!
[Re: WadeMetzinger]
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03/25/14 10:57 PM
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440Jim
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The only thing I didn't check, I've never checked and didn't know I needed to, was the crank counter weight to piston clearance.
This was a K1 Hemi 4.15 stroke crank and in the first motor I used it in we cut the counter weights down besause it needed so much weight taken off of it to balance it.
And then when I hurt the motor last fall I had it offset ground to 4.25 and Chevy journals. So with the 7.100 rod and shorter pistons there must have not been enough clearance. It would turn over by hand just fine
Oh No !
I hate to hear that.
This is what I came up with (after the fact):
CWmax = Counter Weight max dia
Pthick= Piston thickness below the pin
Pin = Piston pin dia
Rod = Rod Length
CWmax = 2(Rod - Stroke/2 - Pin/2 - Pthick - Clearance)
For example:
CWmax = 2(7.100 - 4.25/2 - 0.990/2 - 0.240 - 0.060)
CWmax = 2(7.100 - 2.125 - 0.495 - 0.240 - 0.060 )
CWmax = 8.36" dia
So the piston pin support area should not have been a problem if the crank counter weights are less than that. On a low deck with 6.535" rods it gets close. Typically counterweights are 7.5" plus or minus dia (mine are cut to 7.14" dia). But maybe the skirt?
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Re: “Frankenstein” is almost alive!
[Re: 440Jim]
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03/26/14 12:58 AM
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With a 7.1 rod, I dont see that interference happening either.  His autopsy should reveal it, chopped pistons or spun bearings or whatever. Wade, I look forward to your autopsy on your motor. I thought you did a great job on that motor! Your results scare me because I feel Ive got a frankenstine motor going together. 
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Re: “Frankenstein” is almost alive!
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03/26/14 01:28 PM
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Really Sorry to see this Wade. Hopefully its salvagable.
-Dustin
67 Dart, 9 second, 392" G3 Hemi
68 Barracuda 340 F/SA
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Re: “Frankenstein” is almost alive!
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03/26/14 01:37 PM
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Really Sorry to see this Wade. Hopefully its salvagable.
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'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
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'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
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Re: “Frankenstein” is almost alive!
[Re: WadeMetzinger]
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03/26/14 01:42 PM
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Thats a MAJOR bummer Wade... I do have a set of 4.440
pistons with chevy pins... they were for my B-1
that are for sale... they were for a 4.15 crank
Will the B-1 pistons work on standard heads, like the 440-1s? I think I've heard they will but not sure.
I dont know Wade.... I know how you feel about it
breaking with so few runs/time... I had my W-9 blow
on its first pass.. it made it to about the 1/8 mile
then all hell broke loose...it cost me $3500 to put
it back together... a lifter tie bar broke and a
valve hung open... that cost me 1 head, 4 pistons
and a rod and a set of lifters.. that engine was done
with the help of a local performance shop on the first
build up... oh yeah.. had to sleeve 1 bore... but
since then its been a great engine with almost no
issues at all.... best of luck to you on getting it
back together
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Re: “Frankenstein” is almost alive!
[Re: WadeMetzinger]
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03/29/14 06:53 AM
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Thats a MAJOR bummer Wade... I do have a set of 4.440
pistons with chevy pins... they were for my B-1
that are for sale... they were for a 4.15 crank
Will the B-1 pistons work on standard heads, like the 440-1s? I think I've heard they will but not sure.
I made a template of my new CP 4.51" valve reliefs for B1 heads and placed the template on my old Wiseco 4.50 pistons.
As I see it, the notches(clearance) will be shallower, would you all agree to my thinking?
On the old Wiseco
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Re: “Frankenstein” is almost alive!
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03/29/14 12:09 PM
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Thats a MAJOR bummer Wade... I do have a set of 4.440
pistons with chevy pins... they were for my B-1
that are for sale... they were for a 4.15 crank
Will the B-1 pistons work on standard heads, like the 440-1s? I think I've heard they will but not sure.
would like to know this myself, i know the -1 heads have a 15* angle on the valves
sorry about your problem wade, i feel your pain, been there done that
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