Re: 78 4X4 front wheel bearings
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01/29/14 04:49 AM
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Yep poor design.. not really that expensive, L & S AUTOMOTIVE PRODUCTS Part # A22 Front Outer Bearing Set; 1/2 TON and 4 WHEEL/ALL WHEEL DRIVE,SPICER 44F-BJ Front Inner Bearing Set; 3/4 TON and 4 WHEEL/ALL WHEEL DRIVE,SPICER 44F-BJ Front Inner Bearing Set; 1/2 TON and 4 WHEEL/ALL WHEEL DRIVE,SPICER 44F-BJ Front Outer Bearing Set; 3/4 TON and 4 WHEEL/ALL WHEEL DRIVE,SPICER 44F-BJ Choose: $29.79
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Re: 78 4X4 front wheel bearings
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01/29/14 09:16 AM
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therocks
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Until you have done one you wont believe how some one could even design such a stupid setup.Ive done quite a few.Its a bit of time just getting the inner bolts out.Need IIRC a 3/8 thin deep well 12 point socket for them.Then hope the heads dont round off.Then when the hub comes off get the bearings off it.Mine were all well worn Ohio rusters.Rocky
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Re: 78 4X4 front wheel bearings
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01/29/14 10:30 AM
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Yep poor design.. not really that expensive
Except if you need new knuckles and rotor hubs. Then you have the 3 piece inner seal for greasing and the outer seal in the retainer. Once the bore in the knuckle is worn you will never be able to get the bearings tight which equals slop in the wheel itself. There is a reason they only ran it for a few years. Junk. Whats real funny is the idiots that think its a great perfect set up.
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Re: 78 4X4 front wheel bearings
[Re: NITROUSN]
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01/29/14 02:15 PM
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Nitrousn I forgot about the knuckles.One I had I had to hunt 20 yards to find used knuckles and that was in the 80s.Once they really start to wear the wheel gets tons of sloop and wants to lean.That and the grinding.I bought one RamCharger real cheap because of the knuckle hub wear.Took me about a month to fix it because I had to find parts cheap.You used to be able to buy a complete hub.They were pricey even back then.Rocky
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Re: 78 4X4 front wheel bearings
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01/29/14 02:28 PM
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Yep poor design.. not really that expensive
Except if you need new knuckles and rotor hubs. Then you have the 3 piece inner seal for greasing and the outer seal in the retainer. Once the bore in the knuckle is worn you will never be able to get the bearings tight which equals slop in the wheel itself. There is a reason they only ran it for a few years. Junk. Whats real funny is the idiots that think its a great perfect set up.
There is a reason they only ran it for a few years.
So, is it possible and cost effective to replace what is there with a later version set up? I have to weigh the fact that if I fix what I have I should never have to worry about it again at my age so if switching (if possible) will serve no purpose in the long run. I am just looking for the most cot effective way to fix this.
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Re: 78 4X4 front wheel bearings
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01/29/14 02:56 PM
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Its not that bad of a setup, sure its complicated, but they did make it easy to grease the bearings, just most got neglected. It wasn't designed to be disassembled for maintenance.
There are trucks on the road today with factory bearings in them, so they weren't that bad if used as designed.
Now when you start adding big ass tires, and offset wheels, then your going to have issues.
If you dont take the front wheels off and grease the hubs your going to have issues, but if you grease the hubs when you rotate the tires or at least twice a year, they will normally live a long and happy life.
I put a 78 D44HD under my 93 Ramcharger, partly because I got a smoking deal on a military surplus rebuilt unit, and mostly to be rid of the goofy self locking front end that I dislike.
I wont run over about a 32" tire on the front, and my wheels are a typical 8" with near center offset. I'm sure I will get plenty of use out of the setup once its out on the road and not in the garage.
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Re: 78 4X4 front wheel bearings
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01/29/14 02:58 PM
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I'm sure the knuckles , hubs, axles, and rotors from a 1980 1/2 ton will swap right in. Then there's the question of whether you want to do the conversion to the transfer case..
You can also run the Chevy truck stuff from the knuckles out. I have heard of several guys doing that.
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Re: 78 4X4 front wheel bearings
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01/30/14 12:02 AM
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I'm sure the knuckles , hubs, axles, and rotors from a 1980 1/2 ton will swap right in. Then there's the question of whether you want to do the conversion to the transfer case..
No need just leave the hubs locked
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Re: 78 4X4 front wheel bearings
[Re: Mopar2DBone]
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01/30/14 01:01 AM
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No big deal once you've done one...the first try is the hardest, after that, it's just procedure...
My Dad's '76 still runs the factory setup and has only had those bearings replaced once, although I do hit 'em with some grease every oil change.
FYI NAPA sells a complete unit...rotor/hub/bearings, bolt on replacement for these trucks. I haven't ever used this setup, but came across it on the NAPA online website after I did a set of bearings on a friends '77 W100. That would have been much easier (his needed the rotors replaced as well).
Good luck!
JS
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Re: 78 4X4 front wheel bearings
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01/31/14 11:35 PM
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No, I do not. I bought a set that way about 3 years ago, I would suggest that you call a local NAPA and see if that setup is still available. It was sweet, bolt on, no mess/no fuss!
Good luck!
JS
76 Dodge Adventurer Sport Power Wagon W100 318, 727, NP203 Fulltime 4x4 Russet Red 06 Jeep Commander Ltd 4x4, 5.7L Hemi, QuadraDrive II 06 Chrysler 300C AWD 5.7L Hemi 10 Mopar 10 Challenger R/T, #483/500, 5.7L HEMI 10 Jeep Grand Cherokee Ltd 4x4 5.7L HEMI 11 Dodge Ram 1500 LoneStar Quad Cab, 5.7L HEMI, Fulltime 4x4, Deep Cherry Red 16 Jeep Cherokee Limited 3.2L Pentastar V6, 9 Speed Torqueflite, 4x4, Black
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