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Re: BB Mopar Crank Drive Mandrels
[Re: 408strokerdart]
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01/28/14 05:33 PM
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What is everyone using for a Vac pump or oil pump drive mandrel when using a BB Mopar balancer with a Chevy bolt pattern? Nothing clears the head of the damper bolt.....it's not even close with an ARP damper bolt. Who makes mandrel drives?
I've already checked Peterson, Moroso, Star....
I'm not home with my books but CV Products is where
I got all my drive stuff from
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Re: BB Mopar Crank Drive Mandrels
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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01/28/14 05:46 PM
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Just throwing this out there Brian but did you try Rons? http://www.ronsfuel.com/carb_access.cfm
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422 Indy headed small block
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Re: BB Mopar Crank Drive Mandrels
[Re: 408strokerdart]
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01/28/14 06:19 PM
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Brian... this is one way for the CV system... they have a bolt on plate to the balancer and then you add what you want... or as in my case I used the bolt on pulley then added what I wanted then the "HAT" at the end with the center bolt
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Re: BB Mopar Crank Drive Mandrels
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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01/28/14 06:31 PM
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Brian... this is one way for the CV system... they
have a bolt on plate to the balancer and then you add
what you want... or as in my case I used the bolt on
pulley then added what I wanted then the "HAT" at
the end with the center bolt
I haven't looked at CV yet either. The big problem is with the BB balancer hub because it forces the balancer bolt to sit proud of the balancer a good distance where a SB Mopar balancer hub allows the balancer bolt head to sit below the front face of the balancer. Whatever bolts to the balancer face needs to have a large counterbore to clear the bolt head. Nothing I can find yet has this. 
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Re: BB Mopar Crank Drive Mandrels
[Re: AndyF]
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01/28/14 11:57 PM
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I used the Peterson spline drive setup and then clearanced the back side for the bolt head.
There was enough meat there to cut some away? How deep did you have to counterbore? You just used a standard hex head screw right....not the ARP?
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Re: BB Mopar Crank Drive Mandrels
[Re: AndyF]
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01/29/14 02:08 AM
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I have a crank trigger so that acts as a spacer. I used a standard OEM crank bolt. I didn't have to machine much off the backside of the spline drive hub, just a small pocket.
I used to make these spline drive hubs for Mopar engines but nobody bought them so I quit making them.
I have the trigger wheel as part of my balancer so my issue is 1/4" worse.
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Re: BB Mopar Crank Drive Mandrels
[Re: 408strokerdart]
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01/29/14 11:52 AM
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We have these made locally, used on circle track cars a lot. Nice quality. As with most of them BBC stuff, you may have to recess a tad in the back. I am considering making a few with BBM standard bolt pattern as well. As far as off the shelf stuff, Jones hands down, nice quality,,and you pay for it. I used their stuff on small block Mopar circle track . CV is nice quality, probably the biggest line up of pieces, but not as Mopar friendly with their offering. Not a huge fan of the GZ " system". Although they have a Mopar version, I dont like how they put it all together so to speak, but he quality seems fine. 
RIP Monte Smith
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Re: BB Mopar Crank Drive Mandrels
[Re: CompWedgeEngines]
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01/29/14 03:05 PM
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Re: BB Mopar Crank Drive Mandrels
[Re: Plumb Wired]
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01/29/14 05:27 PM
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BB ??????? 
SB isn't the only thing that makes it on my stand... 
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Re: BB Mopar Crank Drive Mandrels
[Re: 408strokerdart]
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01/30/14 05:11 PM
01/30/14 05:11 PM
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I just switched from an Aerospace Components drive mandrel to a setup from CV Products. The CV stuff is VERY nice.  No more Aerospace Components junk for me.
CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon 340, no drivetrain, on blocks behind the barn
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: BB Mopar Crank Drive Mandrels
[Re: 408strokerdart]
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01/30/14 07:24 PM
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The CV products drive setup doesn't use a shaft w/ a keyway either. They use a "pinned" drive setup...it just stacks together and aligns w/ 2 dowel pins. Then one long bolt just holds the stack together.
CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon 340, no drivetrain, on blocks behind the barn
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: BB Mopar Crank Drive Mandrels
[Re: an8sec70cuda]
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01/30/14 07:36 PM
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The CV products drive setup doesn't use a shaft w/ a keyway either. They use a "pinned" drive setup...it just stacks together and aligns w/ 2 dowel pins. Then one long bolt just holds the stack together.
Me personally, I HATE the stuff with the long bolt. I want the bolt to hold the balancer only, then the drive centers in the register and uses the 3 balancer bolts to attach. To me this is a much better design, as well as being able to turn the motor either way with the drive
Monte
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Re: BB Mopar Crank Drive Mandrels
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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01/30/14 07:47 PM
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The CV products drive setup doesn't use a shaft w/ a keyway either. They use a "pinned" drive setup...it just stacks together and aligns w/ 2 dowel pins. Then one long bolt just holds the stack together.
Me personally, I HATE the stuff with the long bolt. I want the bolt to hold the balancer only, then the drive centers in the register and uses the 3 balancer bolts to attach. To me this is a much better design, as well as being able to turn the motor either way with the drive
Monte
The long bolt doesn't bolt to the crankshaft. You use a normal short crank to balancer bolt. Then bolt on the crank/drive hub like a normal crank pulley would bolt on. The long bolt just holds the stack of pullies/spacers to the drive hub.
CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon 340, no drivetrain, on blocks behind the barn
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: BB Mopar Crank Drive Mandrels
[Re: an8sec70cuda]
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01/30/14 10:57 PM
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The CV products drive setup doesn't use a shaft w/ a keyway either. They use a "pinned" drive setup...it just stacks together and aligns w/ 2 dowel pins. Then one long bolt just holds the stack together.
Me personally, I HATE the stuff with the long bolt. I want the bolt to hold the balancer only, then the drive centers in the register and uses the 3 balancer bolts to attach. To me this is a much better design, as well as being able to turn the motor either way with the drive
Monte
The long bolt doesn't bolt to the crankshaft. You use a normal short crank to balancer bolt. Then bolt on the crank/drive hub like a normal crank pulley would bolt on. The long bolt just holds the stack of pullies/spacers to the drive hub.
Gotcha.......that's better, but I still prefer a spline drive or similar that will let me rotate the motor with what is on the end of the mandrel.
Monte
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Re: BB Mopar Crank Drive Mandrels
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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01/31/14 12:28 PM
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CV Products mandrel I used on one my past R3/W8 builds.
RIP Monte Smith
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Re: BB Mopar Crank Drive Mandrels
[Re: 1967dartgt]
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01/31/14 01:03 PM
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Does anyone have a part number for the cv products drive? Looks a lot nicer then my moroso one.
I believe the mopar crank hub is CVD53225
5" pulley CVD30202
3" pulley CVD70204
Can't find the number for the end cap...the pullies and end caps are all universal.
They have all different thicknesses of spacers if you need them. I didn't use any.
CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon 340, no drivetrain, on blocks behind the barn
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: BB Mopar Crank Drive Mandrels
[Re: 1967dartgt]
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01/31/14 01:11 PM
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Where are you guys buying your cv products stuff?
Directly from CV products.
BigCube put some good pics on this thread...
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=7907772
CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon 340, no drivetrain, on blocks behind the barn
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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