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Questions going from M1 to Victor... #15673 06/29/05 11:33 AM 06/29/05 11:33 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,296 Chicago, IL TonyS451 OP master
TonyS451 OP master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,296 Chicago, IL	First, does anyone have any track/power results in going from one to the other?? Second, what is the height difference between the two? Thanks! 2 kids and a dog

Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... [Re: TonyS451] #15674 06/29/05 11:38 AM 06/29/05 11:38 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,792 IN Dartman928 master
Dartman928 master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,792 IN	Tony the wagon is fast enough Be careful of the racing gremlins next thing you know you will be putting a cage in it and putting some 15" wide tires under it

Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... [Re: Dartman928] #15675 06/29/05 06:51 PM 06/29/05 06:51 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	When the 440 Victor first came out, I did a same day, back to back test changing nothing but the manifold. I had a single plane M-1 with a 1" spacer and swapped it for the Victor with no spacer. I drop almost .200 in et and pick up almost 2 mph. Every car will be different though.

Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... [Re: TonyS451] #15676 06/29/05 11:49 PM 06/29/05 11:49 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,837 Central Missouri Fort Leonard... mopar65 master
mopar65 master Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,837 Central Missouri Fort Leonard...	i am going to be trying a 440 victor againts my m1-4500 intake.that is if i can get a good one from summit.the frist one i got had some casting flaws. on the out side that i did not care for.tonys451 you have a stroker low deck though right? so i do not know if my 440 shoot out will work for you.allso there was a post awhile back about porting the 440 victor for more power.can some body tell me were they need ported. and does anybody have any pixs.tony sorry if i hijacked your post. and good luck on your car.mopar65 3520 pound race ready 1973 Street/Strip Dodge Dart - Stock stroke 440/727 10.49 @ 125.0 on 93 pump gas & ET Street Radials. More to come... ( SGT Miller) Proudly served 12 years in the US ARMY RESERVES support our troops

Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... [Re: TonyS451] #15677 06/30/05 01:24 AM 06/30/05 01:24 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,296 Chicago, IL TonyS451 OP master
TonyS451 OP master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,296 Chicago, IL	Rob - I'm trying, but whats a little old intake gonna do anyhow??? Greg - Do you recall the height difference between the two? I would be looking the 383/400 intake. BTW, 2 tenths and 2 mph is a pretty awesome improvement! Mopar65 - I remember reading about Victor intake mods as well... It's been a while though. Good luck with your swap and let us know how it works for you.

Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... #15678 06/30/05 01:57 AM 06/30/05 01:57 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,221 Branson, Mo. J joedust451 super gas
joedust451 super gas J Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,221 Branson, Mo.	Quote: I drop almost .200 in et and pick up almost 2 mph. Greg, was that 2 tenths or 2 haundredths? 75 Duster, 451 10.87 @ 123.58 NA 97 Z28 6sp., 12.01 @ 115 on a 100 shot 71 Swinger. 360 magnum. 12.58 @ 105 78 cutlass, 469 BBC. 12.70 @ 108 on street tires. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2kqNmMfheU

Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... [Re: mopar65] #15679 06/30/05 02:04 AM 06/30/05 02:04 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,711 Moved to N.E. Tennessee GomangoCuda master
GomangoCuda master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,711 Moved to N.E. Tennessee	Quote: there was a post awhile back about porting the 440 victor for more power.can some body tell me were they need ported. If you look down in the plenum there is a bulge in all four corners. They are grinding those out and blending that part of the plenum into the roof of the runners. There were some good pics posted here a few months ago. Maybe that person will repost them. If they don't show up soon I'll find them and put them up. In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.

Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... [Re: GomangoCuda] #15680 06/30/05 06:21 AM 06/30/05 06:21 AM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 137 North Royalton,Ohio JIM500 member
JIM500 member Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 137 North Royalton,Ohio	I am going to be running a victor on a 500 with a roller and eddys.. I am not trying to steal the thread but I sure would like to see those pics too!! Thanks, Jim

Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... [Re: JIM500] #15681 06/30/05 09:35 AM 06/30/05 09:35 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	.200 is two tenths.

Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... #15682 06/30/05 12:25 PM 06/30/05 12:25 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,221 Branson, Mo. J joedust451 super gas
joedust451 super gas J Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,221 Branson, Mo.	2 tenths and almost 2 mph i think it would be worth switching. 75 Duster, 451 10.87 @ 123.58 NA 97 Z28 6sp., 12.01 @ 115 on a 100 shot 71 Swinger. 360 magnum. 12.58 @ 105 78 cutlass, 469 BBC. 12.70 @ 108 on street tires. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2kqNmMfheU

Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... [Re: joedust451] #15683 06/30/05 12:37 PM 06/30/05 12:37 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,825 Sk. Canada RemCharger master
RemCharger master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,825 Sk. Canada	I tried doing a search on that post and couldn't find it. but yea it's pretty simple just blend the wings out of the corners. Mine was a pretty gross casting too.

Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... [Re: RemCharger] #15684 07/01/05 01:04 AM 07/01/05 01:04 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,711 Moved to N.E. Tennessee GomangoCuda master
GomangoCuda master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,711 Moved to N.E. Tennessee	I found pics from 2 different threads, about 10 months apart. I don't know who posted these but they almost look like they could be pics of the same intake. Feb 2004 - Before. Feb 2004 - After. Dec 2004 - Before. Dec 2004 - After. In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.

Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... [Re: GomangoCuda] #15685 07/01/05 01:28 AM 07/01/05 01:28 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,875 communist bloc of new jersey J jamesc master
jamesc master J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,875 communist bloc of new jersey	it would be nice to know what if any difference the clean up made, sometimes what you think should work doesn't.

Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... [Re: jamesc] #15686 07/01/05 03:04 AM 07/01/05 03:04 AM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,837 Central Missouri Fort Leonard... mopar65 master
mopar65 master Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,837 Central Missouri Fort Leonard...	gomangocuda thanks for the pixs. those are what i need to see.thanks. i found a moparts member to port the victor for me.but he can not do it untill the end of july. so i might throw the victor on. out of the box and see how it does.allso i bought 2 inch moroso carburetor adapter. so i can run my dominator on the victor.on the adapter the inside is as cast. should i smooth the inside or leave it like it is? i plan on going to the track in about two weeks. jamesc if i remember right on the last post.it was said after they ported the victor intake. it was worth 10-15 horsepower.but i am probly wrong though.mopoar65 3520 pound race ready 1973 Street/Strip Dodge Dart - Stock stroke 440/727 10.49 @ 125.0 on 93 pump gas & ET Street Radials. More to come... ( SGT Miller) Proudly served 12 years in the US ARMY RESERVES support our troops

Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... [Re: TonyS451] #15687 07/01/05 07:52 AM 07/01/05 07:52 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,923 NC 440Jim I Live Here
440Jim I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,923 NC	Quote: Second, what is the height difference between the two? The height of the MP M1 low deck intake was in the Tech Archives the last time I looked, and Edelbrock has the height of all their manifolds in their catalog/website. BB Intakes Pic Album (Tech Archive) Edelbrock BB Chrysler Intakes 1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1

Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... [Re: 440Jim] #15688 07/01/05 12:14 PM 07/01/05 12:14 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	This is my Victor with Dominator adapter. The black-lined areas will be reduced. 1816447-Intake4.jpg (262 downloads)

Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... [Re: ] #15689 07/01/05 12:15 PM 07/01/05 12:15 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Different Angle 1816455-Intake3.jpg (211 downloads) Last edited by eh100; 07/01/05 12:17 PM.

Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... [Re: ] #15690 07/01/05 02:40 PM 07/01/05 02:40 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: This is my Victor with Dominator adapter. The black-lined areas will be reduced. Bob, what type of gain do you expect to see going to the victor with your combo?

Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... #15691 07/01/05 04:04 PM 07/01/05 04:04 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,296 Chicago, IL TonyS451 OP master
TonyS451 OP master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,296 Chicago, IL	Thanks everyone for the input, and thanks 440Jim for the measurements. I measured the top of my aircleaner last night and found just over 1/2" clearance with a play-dough test. According to the dimensions of both intakes, there is a height difference of 1 1/8". I'm running a drop base aircleaner and short 2 1/2" element as it is, so looks like I'm sticking with my M1 for now. 2 kids and a dog

Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... [Re: TonyS451] #15692 07/01/05 05:35 PM 07/01/05 05:35 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Your car would look great with a SS scoop on it! The only reason the scoop is on my car is so the manifold fits.

Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... #15693 07/02/05 10:29 AM 07/02/05 10:29 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,296 Chicago, IL TonyS451 OP master
TonyS451 OP master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,296 Chicago, IL	Greg - I may have to work my intake swap around the long awaited trip to the body shop! Your car looks awesome! Love the low profile scoop...nicely done. 2 kids and a dog

Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... [Re: TonyS451] #15694 07/02/05 01:10 PM 07/02/05 01:10 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,131 New Lenox IL cudadon top fuel
cudadon top fuel Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,131 New Lenox IL	Tony, I switched and the Victor was I think 5/8 to 3/4" taller. I don't think it was an inch. I had to redo the foam seal on my air pan, but I don't think it was that much. The Victor is taller and straighter runners, I have had a hard time getting good idle quality like I had on the M1. Maybe my engine is too mild for what is probably better suited to higher rpms (max HP @ 6600) .600 flat tappet, stg. 6 mild port, 11.4 comp. Anybody else have idle trouble with the Victor? I can't give you performance change cause I also backhalved the car over winter. http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p314/cudadon/BKD6_09_10_191A.jpg

Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... [Re: cudadon] #15695 07/02/05 03:11 PM 07/02/05 03:11 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	My car idles just fine once it's warmed up. I spent a good amount of time tuning the carb, including chassis dyno time. you can find engine specs here:Bigblockscamp.com

Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... #15696 07/03/05 10:32 AM 07/03/05 10:32 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,131 New Lenox IL cudadon top fuel
cudadon top fuel Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,131 New Lenox IL	Gregg, mine gets better when it warms also. Until it warms what does yours do? What carb and tuning did you do? Thanks, Don http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p314/cudadon/BKD6_09_10_191A.jpg

Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... [Re: cudadon] #15697 07/03/05 11:43 AM 07/03/05 11:43 AM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 348 Iceland 70rtshaker super street
70rtshaker super street Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 348 Iceland	Wouldnt an Edelbrock Performer RPM be better for that heavy car? Thordur Ingvarsson, Reykjavik Iceland 1970 Dodge Challenger R/T 440 sixpack Shaker(sold) 1971 Plymouth Cuda pro-street project 2007 YAMAHA YZF R1 189 HP 2007 YAMAHA FZ1 SA 150 HP 2003 Mercedes Benz E-200 Kompressor 163 HP toti62@internet.is

Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... [Re: cudadon] #15698 07/22/05 11:19 AM 07/22/05 11:19 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,422 Warren, MI 71TA I Live Here
71TA I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,422 Warren, MI	Quote: Gregg, mine gets better when it warms also. Until it warms what does yours do? What carb and tuning did you do? Thanks, Don My (470") with Victor chugs a bit until warmmed up. After hot it runs great.

Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... [Re: jamesc] #15699 07/22/05 03:09 PM 07/22/05 03:09 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually B BradH Taking time off to work on my car
BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	Quote: it would be nice to know what if any difference the clean up made... Those were my intakes (I had both an unmodified Victor and the one on which I did the plenum mods) and the difference when dyno tested on Dwayne Porter's dyno was approx. 10 HP in favor of the modified piece.

Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... [Re: TonyS451] #15700 07/22/05 04:38 PM 07/22/05 04:38 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,544 Syracuse,NY CompWedgeEngines master
CompWedgeEngines master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,544 Syracuse,NY	Did a back to back test last fall between M1 Dominator and Victor with 4150 base and an adapter. Did two baselines then made the switch. Car was ( at that time) 71 Cuda,440,3100# and saw approx .070 difference ( better with Victor). I cant say that the Victor or the adapter made the difference. Both these intakes were bone stock untouched. I did think the Victor ran smoother however, but didnt equate to any giant ET. I suspect the extra velocity and plenum area made the biggest difference. RIP Monte Smith Your work is a reflection of yourself, autograph it with quality. WD for Diamond Pistons,Sidewinder cylinder heads, Wiseco, K1 rods and cranks,BAM lifters, Morel lifters, Molnar Technologies, Harland Sharp, Pro Gear, Cometic, King Engine Bearings and many others.

Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... [Re: cudadon] #15701 07/22/05 05:27 PM 07/22/05 05:27 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: Gregg, mine gets better when it warms also. Until it warms what does yours do? What carb and tuning did you do? Thanks, Don When it's cold, it acts like a cold engine with no choke, no big deal. I had to re-jet, reduce the main air bleed size, reduce the idle feed restriction size, and open the power valve channel restrictions. Doing any of this without testing the A/F ratio is like shooting in the dark.

Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... [Re: CompWedgeEngines] #15702 07/22/05 07:04 PM 07/22/05 07:04 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 134 Flyover Country 340king member
340king member Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 134 Flyover Country	Typically, the Edelbrock intakes are very conservatively ported out of the box. They leave plenty of meat in the port to do your matching with. As such, they do not run steller times out of the box and pick up pretty good with a port match. I assumed that you did yours without any port matching. That could account for the smaller than anticipated gain.

Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... [Re: 340king] #15703 07/22/05 07:19 PM 07/22/05 07:19 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,544 Syracuse,NY CompWedgeEngines master
CompWedgeEngines master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,544 Syracuse,NY	Yes I realize that. Thats why I mentioned they were stock untouched. This way it was a true unbiased comparison. I also believe that I could have made a difference with a port match, but I was only comparing them in their "as is" states. We knew we'd be changing engines in that car, but I will do a port match on it in the next car and document the change. RIP Monte Smith Your work is a reflection of yourself, autograph it with quality. WD for Diamond Pistons,Sidewinder cylinder heads, Wiseco, K1 rods and cranks,BAM lifters, Morel lifters, Molnar Technologies, Harland Sharp, Pro Gear, Cometic, King Engine Bearings and many others.

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