Re: 69 RR 727 or PG
[Re: Hutch]
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01/24/14 01:58 AM
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You can play with stock cases and gearsets all you want Monte and that's fine if a guy is local and wants to take chances. When a guy is not your neighbour your not doing him a favor by suggesting to build a trans for 700HP out of a trans that was designed around 190HP. Builds have a lot of variables and the prices will reflect that in most cases. You can say 10 clutch drum for example and I can say which one? Those not knowing can get them in many different forms which some are a bit junky. Planetaries are the same as there are too many variables then we get into pumps, VB's etc.
This is why the prices vary. Now if you think a stock case is good or "you are getting away with it" that's fine but if a guy was going to build a 2000HP motor, would you use a stock block? I hope you can see where im coming from here. Im not saying you can't do it but in many cases its just foolish to try.
Hutch
Have always used stock case..
3000# 900+ hp..
I use a good turbo input shaft good 10 disc clutch pack and a good aftermarket gear set.
Have only broke 1 gear set and that was an aftermarket one.. Go figure.. Never broke a 1.76..
To each his own.. Been using a glide since 1993..
I have 3 back up transmissions just in case.. Cost is less than 1 Super Duper trans..
Carry On..
Chris..
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Re: 69 RR 727 or PG
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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01/24/14 09:22 AM
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Oh, I am not arguing the point Hutch and I already said that I would NOT do it myself, but I know guys that have
Monte
That say's a lot right there You would NOT do it yourself,but will recommend that others do it,and you base that on what someone else does.Our opinion was based on what we do and our experience and from opinions of people we trust like Craig at Coan and Paul at TA.If what you say is the Facts according to you then we don't need billit drums and LBVs in our TFs either.So no matter what weight or HP level just take your word that others have done it and if anyone listens to you will be safe and satisfied.As far as your offer to sell me PGs at a great price I would rather deal with someone who would recommend what I need for my particular application and with my safety in mind not recommend what "they know others" have done.So don't be looking for any trans orders from BGR anytime soon.
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Re: Custom Gear sets for 727
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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01/24/14 06:21 PM
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So while everyone is on this topic, does anyone know what it cost to get custom gear set for a 727 or 904. The reason I ask is because I know Comp Eliminator guys do that from time to time in the faster classes to get better ratios so I'm just curious of the cost involved.
Adriel Paradise Substation Design Engineer III
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Re: Custom Gear sets for 727
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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01/24/14 08:14 PM
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Actually Dave and the guys at Protrans are working on a 3 speed for the higher torque top sportsman type stuff right now. The current stuff they use does not hold up well under high torque loads. A buddy of mine has been testing the prototypes. I plan to use my current Rossler TH210XHD for TS duty. And as Monte pointed out Protrans nor Rossler are cheap
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"It's never wrong to do the right thing"
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Re: 69 RR 727 or PG
[Re: MRMOPAR622]
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01/24/14 08:30 PM
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I have a 69 RoadRunner I am setting (trying)for the 6.0 class.I am thinking it should be in the 3200-3400 lb range,the 572-13 540 engine should be between 850-900 HP with 1 1095 King Demon but have a Tunnel-Ram and 2 1095 King Demon's on Race-Gas(I have gas set up not alcohol so that what I will run).Just hoping I will not have to use the Tunnel so I will not have to make any changes to the hood.It is a 4-link car with 33" tires and will have a 4:56 gears in the rear end.
I have never run this type engine in a car this heavy.Which transmission do I need to go with the 727 or PG? I'm hoping some of you with cars like this can chime in and help me pick the right trans the 1st time.I want which ever one will make the car run the Fastest.I lean toward the glide because it is cheaper,but some what afraid it might not 60' leave hard enough with a glide. Thanks
Do you already have the 727? In our experience, with some decent internal parts it'll be fine. Talk to Jon at CRT. Our's is very low maintenance, rebuild every 250 passes or so. See sig for combo spec. HTH's OH,BTW we're going to put it behind the 655 motor with just a few more upgraded parts
'74 Challenger..9.46 @ 145.9 1/4, 6.001 @ 118 1/8 so far. 4023lb !!! # N/A, Marsh performance 655ci, Indy Maxx, T/R, Indy 600-13 X's, Street legal, pump gas, full interior, Cal-Tracs, mufflers, 3:73's and real 10.5 radials. 9.51 @ 142.4 1/4, 6.003 @ 114 1/8 with our old mule KB, 572-13, 580 wedge. RHD '68 Barracuda Fastback 323ci street/strip. Best ET 13.88 @ 99.03
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Re: 69 RR 727 or PG
[Re: Hutch]
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01/24/14 11:54 PM
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Hey Monte , take it easy. There is no hollier than thou anything happening here. You stated he could run a stock case and gearset in your first post of course to save money and all I did was try to shed light on trying to "get away with something" is not always the best choice in the long run. I don't care what you are getting away with as your not in the trans business except when you can make a buck on a drop ship from a vendor you support. Im down here in the trenches every day dealing with this stuff as are you with nitrous so I will tell you I have more exposure to it.
Not here to argue with anyone, just to raise a few valid points. If you have a problem with anything I have pointed out Monte or think I singled you out in any way, you are welcome anytime to discuss this with me personally as I had no ill intent. You know my number.
Hutch
Nothing I said was directly aimed at you Hutch. There was another accusing me of putting people in danger with what I said and I didn't appreciate it. Even though one of his own customers has been running that very setup with no issues. Seems he should be advising his own customer of the inherent "danger" if there is one. I have no issue with you, never have.
Monte
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Re: 69 RR 727 or PG
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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01/25/14 03:50 PM
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I want to Thank each and everyone of you that have took your time to try and help me. I did have a bit of luck,a Friend of mine is going to a bigger engine and was wondering if would be better of with a Glide also an offered to let me try his 727.He has been running the Foot-Brake class and it does not have a trans brake but I can use his converter as well.But even without a trans brake I should be able to get an idea of how it works.Thanks Again everyone for all the Great Advice. PS when I try it and find out how it works and what I tink I will post it and let everyone know.
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