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Re: what makes the new hemi cars so fast
[Re: Rapid340]
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01/17/14 06:42 PM
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Nebraska
72Swinger
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Cam is high in tunnel, makes for short pushrods/lighter valvetrain.
Mopar to the bone!!!
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Re: what makes the new hemi cars so fast
[Re: BobR]
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01/18/14 12:16 AM
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Balt. Md
383man
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It's the cylinder head for the most part.
I have a '70 Challenger T/A with a 416, street roller cam, fully ported Eddy heads, a warmed over 6 pak, 4 speed, Strange Dana 60 with 4.10 gears. It dyno'd at 499 hp. My wife has a bone stock 2013 Cadillac CTS/V. I would be embarrassed to race her with my Dodge. Don't even ask me about my ZR1 Corvette.
You dont think your Challenger would smack your wifes Caddy ? I mean the Caddy is a 12 second ride right ? I would think your Challenger is an easy 11 second ride as them smallblock strokers run good. Ron
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Re: what makes the new hemi cars so fast
[Re: Irun5snd8th]
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01/18/14 01:28 AM
01/18/14 01:28 AM
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Canada
WO23Coronet
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I have a SRT8 super bee drove it to Norwalk got 22 mpg raced it off the highway to a 12.57 at 112 its hard to complain about the new cars power they make I also like the 4 dr charger super bee it is a lot easier to get my grand daughter out of her car seat
Thats not a stock SRT8 is it? If so what year? When the Challengers first came out the SRT8's were running low 14's and high 13's and the RT's were actually quicker.
I'm guessing his times are for a stock car, guys are even running low 12's with stock SRT's
I don't know which SRT's your referring to running low 14's, but even a stock 6.1 SRT is a low 13/high 12 car in good air.
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Re: what makes the new hemi cars so fast
[Re: WO23Coronet]
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01/18/14 11:37 AM
01/18/14 11:37 AM
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Michigan
Kiddart
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These are the forums I like to read. There is so much information just in the talking and sharing of what some think is general information but it’s not. This is the outcome of research and development, trial and error. The best part it was all done on Chrysler, Ford and GM’s dime. We are now lucky enough to get the opportunity to take all this put it in our older cars and really enjoy them. I know this all comes with a big price tag, if I get the opportunity to sell my 415 Indy small block I will most defiantly be purchasing a 6.1 or 6.4 motor and Trans and put it in my dart sport. How can you not want to do that? To be able to drive the car on a 40 degree day would be awesome. And not spend $8 dollars a gallon. I like it and please don’t hate the fact that a new Gen Hemi doesn’t look awesome between the frame rails of our older cars.
Bad Sport
Thank you
Kiddart
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Re: what makes the new hemi cars so fast
[Re: Kiddart]
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01/18/14 12:16 PM
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Park Forest, IL
slantzilla
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The 6 speed SRT's are a handful to launch. I was told on the Challenger board I would be lucky to get a mid-14 out of mine. I put it in the 13's on the second pass. It will literally go sideways in 3rd gear. 1st and 2nd will wheelhop like crazy too. Mine weighs 4540 w/me in it. I have seen bone stock automatic 6.1's run low 13's all day long. We have a member here who took one pass in his auto 6.4 and went 12.90's. 
"Everybody funny, now you funny too."
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Re: what makes the new hemi cars so fast
[Re: slantzilla]
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01/18/14 02:01 PM
01/18/14 02:01 PM
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Kansas wishing I was in Ohio
SeanD
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It is not just the hemis', I recenty drove a '12 Challenger with the VVT 6 and it is amazingly quick for a 6. Granted it was not driven at the track but I could tell it is quicker than my '70 340-4spd Dart.
Last edited by SeanD; 01/18/14 02:11 PM.
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Re: what makes the new hemi cars so fast
[Re: Nitrojunkee]
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01/18/14 04:39 PM
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Trumbull,CT.
jim sciortino
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I love Mopar. But, the new "Hemi" cars are dogs. Especially compared to the Coyote powered 5.0 Mustangs. Not to mention, what Dodge wants for a new SRT8 Challenger, is a joke. You can get a brand new 5.0 Mustang for under $30k, and it will run circles around that lard butted, over priced and underpowered Challenger all day... On any form of track racing.
The extreme weight of the Chally is embarrassing and prevents me from considering one.
It might as well be a 300C.
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Re: what makes the new hemi cars so fast
[Re: jim sciortino]
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01/18/14 05:30 PM
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Topeka Kansas
ksj
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I'll keep my overweight '12 Challenger R/T. Bang for the buck is the Mustang.Look at the fit and finish on a Mustang.Cheaply made and the Interiors stink.I couldn't get comfortable in one.The Camaro is not any better.I could never get my left arm in a comfortable position no matter how I sat in it.Camaro is the worst of the 3 when it comes to blind spots.My best is 13.79@105 best bone stock 6 spd  I'll keep it.
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Re: what makes the new hemi cars so fast
[Re: moparmafia]
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01/18/14 07:15 PM
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Rio Linda, CA
John_Kunkel
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One word..."computer".
I've often wondered what Top Fuel cars could achieve with total computer control.
The INTERNET, the MISinformation superhighway
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Re: what makes the new hemi cars so fast
[Re: John_Kunkel]
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01/18/14 07:42 PM
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Texas Afghanistan Iraq etc.
DakFink
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One word..."computer".
I've often wondered what Top Fuel cars could achieve with total computer control.
Exactlly! With out the Computer Controlling timing, and Ignition all the other improvements wouldn't be possible, nor as efficient.
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Re: what makes the new hemi cars so fast
[Re: slantzilla]
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01/18/14 08:41 PM
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Richmond , Virginia
BEEQUIK
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I have an 11 SRT challenger with the 6.4 and an auto. I have gone 12.82 so far @ 113 mph. It has a 3" catback and a cold air intake,nothing more. This car weighs 4175 lbs without driver and 3.06 rear gears. Soo it will not 60ft at all, best I've had is a 1.97. Put in a 3400 stall and a set of 3.92's and it should be a very low 12 second car. I work at a ford dealer and I know the coyote mustangs are quick but they are also 600 lbs. lighter.You decide. Most people that say they don't like the new challenger haven't driven one. :drive the second video is in car on a 12.84 pass. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0PVfGWKDwAhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypQByeIpV50
Last edited by BEEQUIK; 01/19/14 03:05 PM.
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Re: what makes the new hemi cars so fast
[Re: blowndart]
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01/19/14 12:02 AM
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Nebraska
72Swinger
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I love the looks of a new Challenger until I realize it weighs as much as a 4 door 300 or Charger. At least with a Charger the weight is justified and I would rather have a fast 4 door than an overweight porky Challenger.
Mopar to the bone!!!
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