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How will Rack & Pinion affect our cars? #1552641 12/24/13 07:20 PM 12/24/13 07:20 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,902 Athens, Greece Pyper70 OP master
Pyper70 OP master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,902 Athens, Greece	I have never installed one...my friend wants me to install one from Unisteer on his 72 Roadrunner. Its supposedly a bolt in. Is it worth the $1300? Family owned 1969 Charger R/T DualQuad 440/727/GVO/3.55s

Re: How will Rack & Pinion affect our cars? [Re: Pyper70] #1552642 12/24/13 07:26 PM 12/24/13 07:26 PM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 15,118 85086 moparpollack Lil Herman
moparpollack Lil Herman Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 15,118 85086	Run from that junk! 56 Plaza 63 D100 step side 67 Coronet, 68 Roadrunner, 69 Super Bees, 69 Coronet 500 convertible, 70 Roadrunner Post, 79 D150 360, and a severe case of Mopar a,d,d

Re: How will Rack & Pinion affect our cars? [Re: moparpollack] #1552643 12/24/13 08:38 PM 12/24/13 08:38 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,902 Athens, Greece Pyper70 OP master
Pyper70 OP master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,902 Athens, Greece	I ask because I haven't a clue....I have advised him to a quick ratio Firm Feel and a rebuilt Steering pump and it should be an upgrade on its own Family owned 1969 Charger R/T DualQuad 440/727/GVO/3.55s

Re: How will Rack & Pinion affect our cars? [Re: Pyper70] #1552644 12/24/13 08:42 PM 12/24/13 08:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,791 Rio Linda, CA John_Kunkel Too Many Posts
John_Kunkel Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,791 Rio Linda, CA	The Unisteer will increase the car's turning radius considerably. If your friend wants improved steering have him look at the Borgeson conversion. http://www.borgeson.com/xcart/catalog/19...-p-1-c-143.html The INTERNET, the MISinformation superhighway

Re: How will Rack & Pinion affect our cars? [Re: John_Kunkel] #1552645 12/24/13 09:43 PM 12/24/13 09:43 PM
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71yelladustr super stock 7 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,035 Missouri U.S.A.	I put a unisteer rack in my buddies 70 Chally under much protest. What a p.o.s. Turning radius sucks, not to mention the the 50 universal joints and supports needed to make the connection from the rack to the column. No matter what, the steering input is at such a bad angle it still binds some when turning. Dont do it. 392 gen III hemi on E-85 727 trans Dana 60 10.02@134

Re: How will Rack & Pinion affect our cars? [Re: 71yelladustr] #1552646 12/25/13 01:28 AM 12/25/13 01:28 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,072 Niles , Ohio T therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah. T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,072 Niles , Ohio	That or spend the extra and get the setup from RMS.Bill makes a complete coil over conversion K frame etc.Everyone that has one loves them.Rocky Chrysler Firepower

Re: How will Rack & Pinion affect our cars? [Re: Pyper70] #1552647 12/25/13 01:46 AM 12/25/13 01:46 AM
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RiskyRickey member Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 47 TX	I agree with above post .I also installed one on 72 Chall PIA.Many joints & bad angle

Re: How will Rack & Pinion affect our cars? [Re: therocks] #1552648 12/25/13 12:11 PM 12/25/13 12:11 PM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,462 Mrytle Beach SC J johnscudashop pro stock
johnscudashop pro stock J Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,462 Mrytle Beach SC	Quote: That or spend the extra and get the setup from RMS.Bill makes a complete coil over conversion K frame etc.Everyone that has one loves them.Rocky YUP 7970870-100_2268.jpg (167 downloads)

Re: How will Rack & Pinion affect our cars? [Re: johnscudashop] #1552649 12/25/13 02:17 PM 12/25/13 02:17 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,072 Niles , Ohio T therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah. T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,072 Niles , Ohio	Johns cuda Id love to have one in the 65.Cant justify the cost on my rust bucket though.When I get a solid body it will have the RMS setup.Rocky Chrysler Firepower

Re: How will Rack & Pinion affect our cars? [Re: johnscudashop] #1552650 12/25/13 02:48 PM 12/25/13 02:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,902 Athens, Greece Pyper70 OP master
Pyper70 OP master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,902 Athens, Greece	Quote: Quote: That or spend the extra and get the setup from RMS.Bill makes a complete coil over conversion K frame etc.Everyone that has one loves them.Rocky YUP Wow...that is beautiful....How does the handling feel now as compared to stock? Is it harder to do a wheel alignment? Family owned 1969 Charger R/T DualQuad 440/727/GVO/3.55s

Re: How will Rack & Pinion affect our cars? [Re: Pyper70] #1552651 12/25/13 06:47 PM 12/25/13 06:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,355 Omaha Ne T TJP I Live Here
TJP I Live Here T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,355 Omaha Ne	I agree with all of the above posts, Either upgrade the box and pump or do the whole shebang IE: RMS www.tandmautomotive-omaha.com

Re: How will Rack & Pinion affect our cars? [Re: TJP] #1552652 12/26/13 03:27 PM 12/26/13 03:27 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,393 Pikes Peak Country T TC@HP2 master
TC@HP2 master T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,393 Pikes Peak Country	Alterkations are nice, but at $4000, is a very expensive change out for imply a steering upgrade. For a street cruiser, similar feeling results in handling can be made for around $2000 using Hotchkis or Firm Feel parts. IMO, the best reason to use an AlterK is for less weight or then ability to quickly change spring rates. If your buddy is willing to drop $1300 on the steering, the Borgeson box is well worth the upgrade over using a UNisteer R&P.

Re: How will Rack & Pinion affect our cars? [Re: TC@HP2] #1552653 12/26/13 04:59 PM 12/26/13 04:59 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia J jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia	Quote: Alterkations are nice, but at $4000, is a very expensive change out for imply a steering upgrade. For a street cruiser, similar feeling results in handling can be made for around $2000 using Hotchkis or Firm Feel parts. IMO, the best reason to use an AlterK is for less weight or then ability to quickly change spring rates. If your buddy is willing to drop $1300 on the steering, the Borgeson box is well worth the upgrade over using a UNisteer R&P. , but just a Firm Feel Stage 2 or + is in itself a big improvement. The rack mentioned is just slick marketing IMO. Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.

Re: How will Rack & Pinion affect our cars? [Re: jcc] #1552654 12/26/13 05:19 PM 12/26/13 05:19 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 11,179 Atco NJ DJVCuda I Live Here
DJVCuda I Live Here Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 11,179 Atco NJ	I've driven both ( RMS & stock cars with as many upgrades you can throw at them ) There is no way in hell a rack can be called a marketing strategy. The rack ( RMS ) gives the car a new car feel, much like a modern dakota with crisp feel and response that is unable to be achieved with an outdated steering box. The facts are there are too many parts to ever achieve the feel and response a rack can provide.

Re: How will Rack & Pinion affect our cars? [Re: DJVCuda] #1552655 12/26/13 05:34 PM 12/26/13 05:34 PM
Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 10,847 Oakdale CT gdonovan I Live Here
gdonovan I Live Here Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 10,847 Oakdale CT	Quote: The rack ( RMS ) gives the car a new car feel, much like a modern dakota with crisp feel and response that is unable to be achieved with an outdated steering box. I seem to recall there are certain German cars who up to recently were using steering boxes and they were noted for outstanding steering. I'm sure if everything was up to snuff and you had a new blueprinted box instead of a 40+ year old hammered unit an old Mopar would steer just fine, more so if the k-member was properly braced. "I think its got a hemi"

Re: How will Rack & Pinion affect our cars? [Re: gdonovan] #1552656 12/26/13 05:39 PM 12/26/13 05:39 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 11,179 Atco NJ DJVCuda I Live Here
DJVCuda I Live Here Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 11,179 Atco NJ	apples to oranges. Up to snuff steering boxes and a rebuilt system did not compare to the RMS and like I stated earlier, I drive both and there was no comparison in terms of feel and response. It's a totally different feel....

Re: How will Rack & Pinion affect our cars? [Re: DJVCuda] #1552657 12/26/13 06:09 PM 12/26/13 06:09 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia J jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia	Quote: There is no way in hell a rack can be called a marketing strategy. The Op did not mention the "RMS" rack, others did, and that is a proven thought out system, the system the OP asked about has a poor reputation, as evidenced here, and reviewing it as advertised is, as I stated, and will repeat, mainly a slick marketing trick to try and piggyback on the success of proven systems like "RMS". However stating that a rack system is and of itself a huge improvement, is hard for me to totally accept, in that anyone using a typical RMS system has made many other changes that play a part in the perceived steering improved results, and attributing that improvement to strictly or even mainly to the use of a rack, is only an opinion, imo. Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.

Re: How will Rack & Pinion affect our cars? [Re: jcc] #1552658 12/27/13 05:32 AM 12/27/13 05:32 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,177 Park Forest, IL slantzilla Too Many Posts
slantzilla Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,177 Park Forest, IL	Before this completely turns into an apples vs, bananas pissing contest, you have to remember that an RMS is a completely redesigned and engineered front suspension system. It does what it does very well. The UNIsteer is an attempt to hack R&P into a sytem that was NEVER designed for it, and it fails miserably besides just plain being a crap kit. "Everybody funny, now you funny too."

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