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organisol paint   PPG Concept version #1546155
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Car is a 72 cuda with V21 option. Had my jobber do a spray out of the organisol paint in concept single stage. Only bad thing is there is no texture. They said they could still do it in DDL n had some of the texture additive but I'm not crazy about putting lacquer paint on it. What are my other options? Anyone done Concept with a texture? Basically the spray out is just semi gloss black. Don't really want that as if I get a dirt nib it there no buffing it out. At least with texture no nibs are seen.

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Re: organisol paint   PPG Concept version [Re: hotairballoonpilot] #1546156
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I used the concept stuff on my spoiler and although not the same and dog gone expensive, am satisfied with it. I felt I had no chose in todays world.

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I used Badalson/Gibson's stuff, it is suppose to be dead on. Are they still making it?


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Re: organisol paint   PPG Concept version [Re: hotairballoonpilot] #1546158
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The 72 Cuda would not be textured(or minimal texture). It would look like the lower body of a 69 GTX. You just spray the organisol as you would a regular paint job. The Concept can be textured by backing the gun out to 14" or so from the panel or lowering the air pressure. The painter needs to experiment.

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Re: organisol paint   PPG Concept version [Re: hotairballoonpilot] #1546159
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Car is a 72 cuda with V21 option. Had my jobber do a spray out of the organisol paint in concept single stage. Only bad thing is there is no texture. They said they could still do it in DDL n had some of the texture additive but I'm not crazy about putting lacquer paint on it. What are my other options? Anyone done Concept with a texture? Basically the spray out is just semi gloss black. Don't really want that as if I get a dirt nib it there no buffing it out. At least with texture no nibs are seen.

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Original organosol was not textured like the restored cars you see at the shows now days.
I see so many AAR Cudas etc with hoods that look like sandpaper. It was not like that.
I have had, and still own original Organosol painted Mopars and it was a metallic flat black with minimal texture.
I too have used the PPG Concept formula and it is a decent match.

Re: organisol paint   PPG Concept version [Re: demon] #1546160
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Close up of an untouched 5000 mile A12 hood. Not rough at all.

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Re: organisol paint   PPG Concept version [Re: demon] #1546161
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Thanks guys I'll have to tell my painter how to spray it guess that's me. I thought it should be textured. I was thinking of backing off a bit and lowering air down and playing with it to see what I came up with. The spray out my jobber did really doesn't look like there is any metallic in it. Haven't had any sun round these parts to look at it outside though.


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Re: organisol paint   PPG Concept version [Re: hotairballoonpilot] #1546162
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I used the Concept product on my 68 Hood, I like the way it came out.

I spray two dusty coats, then added more reducer, sprayed a double coat then added more reducer for a top coat...

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Re: organisol paint   PPG Concept version [Re: sthemi] #1546163
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another shot...

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Re: organisol paint   PPG Concept version [Re: sthemi] #1546164
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Your 68 RR looked great at the muscle car nationals!! I'll have to pic your brain a little when i attempt to paint my 71 demon hood correctly this spring Greg.

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Re: organisol paint   PPG Concept version [Re: demon] #1546165
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Original organosol was not textured like the restored cars you see at the shows now days.
I see so many AAR Cudas etc with hoods that look like sandpaper. It was not like that.
I have had, and still own original Organosol painted Mopars and it was a metallic flat black with minimal texture.
I too have used the PPG Concept formula and it is a decent match.




OK...this where i will tell you that that is very inaccurate...I have nos organisol paint in the can...I have sprayed it...it's textured...I will post a pic... organisol paint "wears" easily so 45 yr old organisol will never be like freshly sprayed nos or currently available DDL9355.

If you like I will sell you the quart of nos paint I have left and you can see for yourself. For you moparts police with nothing better to do: This is not a for sale ad, just stating the facts and backing them up

Search for other threads about organisol...

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Re: organisol paint   PPG Concept version [Re: ThermoQuad] #1546166
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OK...this where i will tell you that that is very inaccurate...I have nos organisol paint in the can...I have sprayed it...it's textured...I will post a pic... organisol paint "wears" easily so 45 yr old organisol will never be like freshly sprayed nos or currently available DDL9355.

If you like I will sell you the quart of nos paint I have left and you can see for yourself. For you moparts police with nothing better to do: This is not a for sale ad, just stating the facts and backing them up
Search for other threads about organisol...




Agree... a friend gave me 2 quarts a few years ago... the shop sprayed two hoods, and there is def texture... 100%

Re: organisol paint   PPG Concept version [Re: paris401] #1546167
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The first time we sprayed the original laquer style, it came out more textured. Wouldn't quite grab towel fibers when wiper over, but it was more rough. It was sprayed over some blue epoxy.

The last time a few months back, sprayed it over black epoxy. One double coat and that was it... much more smooth, but definitely textured.

I still have one of the factory doors off the gtx and it's almost like a smooth matte black on the bottom. This was a low mileage car I can't believe was washed too often with 16k miles.

There are factors to how smooth it will be, temp, humidity, etc... when sprayed, so I would expect many variations of it and not sure what could be called correct.


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Re: organisol paint   PPG Concept version [Re: Silver70] #1546168
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I will toss in some common sense on this as well,

This Laquer paint must have been applied by hand in an off line spray area, since the cars used baked enamel. and the enamel had to be baked first so it could be masked.

this means all the different plants had at least 3 shifts of people painting differently with faily low volume production runs of paint, with possible different air pressure, paint mixes and equipment..done by hand..

The possible "correct" variations are endless.

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Yes - there were variances. Low mile original stuff does show some texture. Years of cleaning and rubbing on it make it a little smoother. Original stuff has metalic in it. It was usually applied and masked off before body color.

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The possible "correct" variations are endless.







...finally some common sense applied

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I will toss in some common sense on this as well,

This Laquer paint must have been applied by hand in an off line spray area, since the cars used baked enamel. and the enamel had to be baked first so it could be masked.

this means all the different plants had at least 3 shifts of people painting differently with faily low volume production runs of paint, with possible different air pressure, paint mixes and equipment..done by hand..

The possible "correct" variations are endless.




you are right about that. And that applies to many situations on old cars. There are variations.
As an example, on the Charger R/T I restored a few years ago, when I pulled out the taillights, and looked at the virgin Organosol paint that had been hidden and untouched for 40 years, it had no texture.
The original paint 69 Road Runner that I bought from the original owner had the factory hood blackout stripes. Around the edges and hidden areas like under the windshield trim, no texture.
I'm not saying there weren't cases of factory Organosol with texture, but I am saying that I have seen AAR Cudas and othe cars at shows where the hood looks like 80 grit sandpaper and I have never seen an original Organosol finish that was that rough.
But! As was said above, these were production line cars, and car to car variations definitely occur.

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Here is the main point of all this. Yes the original formula paint had
texture in it, but most people today cannot shoot it the way the factory did.
You can say over the years it was washed off and worn smoother BUT, after seeing a 1700 mile A12 and this 5000 mile A12 I can tell you 90% of todays restorations are WAY TOO ROUGH. And neither of those cars were ever on the road enough to change the finish. Both have been used for documentation and reference as some of the best original examples left today.
It should look like 1500 grit NOT 100 grit.

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My restored bubble,too rough finish and you will not be able to wipe any dust of the painted area without changing the finish of the paint in the end..

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Re: organisol paint   PPG Concept version [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #1546174
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Here is the main point of all this. Yes the original formula paint had
texture in it, but most people today cannot shoot it the way the factory did.







It's not that people "today" cannot shoot it like the factory did, it's people shooting it today based on incorrect examples they see at shows/events, or just never having seen what factory original (well preserved) stuff looks like, I've always been chastised in the past at shows/events by the so called experts that claim the organsol finish I've shot on various projects over the years is "too smooth", or there's metallic in it, worse case scenario it should feel no rougher than 600 grit paper, I've seen some finishes on restored cars that's looks rougher than ground glass!...full of towel nibs, or wax!

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I will toss in some common sense on this as well,

This Laquer paint must have been applied by hand in an off line spray area, since the cars used baked enamel. and the enamel had to be baked first so it could be masked.

this means all the different plants had at least 3 shifts of people painting differently with faily low volume production runs of paint, with possible different air pressure, paint mixes and equipment..done by hand..

The possible "correct" variations are endless.




you are right about that. And that applies to many situations on old cars. There are variations.
As an example, on the Charger R/T I restored a few years ago, when I pulled out the taillights, and looked at the virgin Organosol paint that had been hidden and untouched for 40 years, it had no texture.
The original paint 69 Road Runner that I bought from the original owner had the factory hood blackout stripes. Around the edges and hidden areas like under the windshield trim, no texture.
I'm not saying there weren't cases of factory Organosol with texture, but I am saying that I have seen AAR Cudas and othe cars at shows where the hood looks like 80 grit sandpaper and I have never seen an original Organosol finish that was that rough.
But! As was said above, these were production line cars, and car to car variations definitely occur.




St. Louis Chargers didn't use Organosol which is also stated per the engineering....I guess St. Louis already had lacquer restraints....just a little tid-bit to share...

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St. Louis Chargers didn't use Organosol which is also stated per the engineering....I guess St. Louis already had lacquer restraints....just a little tid-bit to share...






Correct, starting in May 1968 low gloss black enamel was used

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A fresh coat of organisol. It is more textured than it appears.

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Well that's a lot of info! Thanks guys! My main concern was being so rough that a person couldn't wax or anything near it. I'm ok working to get it close to that 600-1000 grit level. Looked at the color spray out and you can barely see the metallic.


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Well that's a lot of info! Thanks guys! My main concern was being so rough that a person couldn't wax or anything near it. I'm ok working to get it close to that 600-1000 grit level. Looked at the color spray out and you can barely see the metallic.




I don't wax mine, I wax around it.

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I should clarify my wax statement. I was worried about waxing around it and wax getting on it not by choice.


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You MUST keep wax far away from it or you will have to sand and reshoot! DAMHIK


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