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Re: Looking for Pictures of NHRA legal Roll Cages E body [Re: ssga1725] #1540644
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My roll bar must be wider because when I try to fit the side bar it hits the arm rest and door handle. What is your over all width of hoop at the sidebar? I would prefer not to move the bottom attachment more into the floor pan.Thanks

Re: Looking for Pictures of NHRA legal Roll Cages E body [Re: ssga1725] #1540645
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Also in response to above post, leave the VIN on dash, it drives the resto guys crazy to see an original car being raced. LOL




You should see the VIN checkers around here! They cannot believe I bring it out and beat the tar out of it with rubber all over the quarter panels and such....

If I could do my cage like yours, I would be good. I like you kept the stock dasy and inner door panels...Been looking at going faster and being that my current street Hemi ran 10.84 on its first pass this year, it won't take much more to go sub 10.0...if I were to change it up a little. Would love to build a 572 all aluminum Predator headed engine with three two barrel split Dominators to look like a six pack or just a bigger Hemi....


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Looking for Pictures of NHRA legal Roll Cages E body [Re: Dragula] #1540646
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Her's how I did mine. I will say getting the dash back in was harder than Chinese arithmetic. I wanted to keep it as far forward as I could in the spirit of keeping the stock-ish look of the car. For some reason that made sense to me at the time even though I was destroying a mint dash!

I also lightened my dash similar to what 6PKRTSE did.

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Re: Looking for Pictures of NHRA legal Roll Cages E body [Re: Dragula] #1540648
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Some really good info in this thread. Got a pic of the blue car with the dash pad installed where I can see if it was cut or not?

I have been wondering how to finish the cage in my car. Its a V-code N96 4 speed, originally with only a little over 14k miles on it...Being that E-body's go for a good price, you never know when the money train is going to come to town and want to buy it, so if I ever finish the cage in mine, I want to do it right...Been thinking about the VFN route so I could do the cage right and put a Racepak dash in it...Don't know. Do you leave the VIN on the old dash?






The VIN tag had to be removed & the re-installed on the new pad once recovered. (still the original legal tag to the car). Nothing shady going on. Just trying to build a really nice street/stip car. Sorry no better current pictures of this corner of the dash area.

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Re: Looking for Pictures of NHRA legal Roll Cages E body [Re: cudaman1969] #1540649
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My roll bar must be wider because when I try to fit the side bar it hits the arm rest and door handle. What is your over all width of hoop at the sidebar? I would prefer not to move the bottom attachment more into the floor pan.Thanks




Mine is as wide as we could go. We put a 5 degree bend in the door bars to clear the door pad. Yes, as low as I wanted the "X" door bars to ease getting in & out the "X" landed right where the interior door handle was. I removed the factory door handle & made some plastic plugs that look like the door panel & moved them thru the top of the door pad with a fiberglass door pro stock kit. Look across to the passenger side door & you can see the handle.


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1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack
1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi
1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL
1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383
1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440
1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4
2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4
2012 Challenger R/T Classic.
Re: Looking for Pictures of NHRA legal Roll Cages E body [Re: 6PKRTSE] #1540650
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Look closely & you can see where we kicked the door bars around the door panel pad.


1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute
1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack
1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi
1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL
1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383
1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440
1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4
2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4
2012 Challenger R/T Classic.
Re: Looking for Pictures of NHRA legal Roll Cages E body [Re: Dragula] #1540651
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Also in response to above post, leave the VIN on dash, it drives the resto guys crazy to see an original car being raced. LOL




You should see the VIN checkers around here! They cannot believe I bring it out and beat the tar out of it with rubber all over the quarter panels and such....

I race a 71 Hemi Cuda. The car looks all original from the outside except for the wheels and tires.
They made 107 hemi Cuda hardtops. I seen these cars for sale over the years for $750,000 to the highest price. A car that looked just like mine on Ebay about a month ago with a buy it now price of $1,999,000.
I have at least one person each time I'm at the track checking out my car and then they ask me " Is that a real hemi cuda?" Some times I just say no but other times if the guys a little cocky I will say " do you think its a figment of your imagination? It's sitting right here in front of you. Then I explain that its real but its not an original car.
When I first built the car I had many people tell me I am crazy to race it because it is to beautiful to race. I told them if I wasn't going to race it I might as well sell it because I enjoy racing and that is why I am building the car. To enjoy it. Polishing a car an sitting in the hot sun talking about how fast a car might run if I actually ran it doesn't do it for me like it does some guys. I actually have to use my cars and see what they can do to enjoy them. If I had an original car I would be racing it. Or if it was worth crazy money like a 71 Hemi Cuda I would sell it and build a clone and put the rest of the cash in the bank.

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Re: Looking for Pictures of NHRA legal Roll Cages E body [Re: DodgeCharger] #1540652
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Also in response to above post, leave the VIN on dash, it drives the resto guys crazy to see an original car being raced. LOL




You should see the VIN checkers around here! They cannot believe I bring it out and beat the tar out of it with rubber all over the quarter panels and such....

I race a 71 Hemi Cuda. The car looks all original from the outside except for the wheels and tires.
They made 107 hemi Cuda hardtops. I seen these cars for sale over the years for $750,000 to the highest price. A car that looked just like mine on Ebay about a month ago with a buy it now price of $1,999,000.
I have at least one person each time I'm at the track checking out my car and then they ask me " Is that a real hemi cuda?" Some times I just say no but other times if the guys a little cocky I will say " do you think its a figment of your imagination? It's sitting right here in front of you. Then I explain that its real but its not an original car.
When I first built the car I had many people tell me I am crazy to race it because it is to beautiful to race. I told them if I wasn't going to race it I might as well sell it because I enjoy racing and that is why I am building the car. To enjoy it. Polishing a car an sitting in the hot sun talking about how fast a car might run if I actually ran it doesn't do it for me like it does some guys. I actually have to use my cars and see what they can do to enjoy them. If I had an original car I would be racing it. Or if it was worth crazy money like a 71 Hemi Cuda I would sell it and build a clone and put the rest of the cash in the bank.




Last year when I pulled the car out of storage of 7 years, it wasn't out 24hrs and I was hasseled...I just keep envisioning the next iteration of my Hemi dipping into the 9's, and my car needing more cage...


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Looking for Pictures of NHRA legal Roll Cages E body [Re: Dragula] #1540653
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I finally found my problem. I needed rear adjustable shocks. I ran two passes. A 9.91 ET and a 9.88 Et. I didn't even get to sort things out and they told me to slow it down or go home. I went home. I think they didn't like the MPH. I went 140 and 141 MPH. I'm sure in a few more passes I could have gone 9.60's or even 50's.
I don't think I want to put a cage in the car but then that opens up a new horizon. I built the motor for a 450 hp shot of NOS but I never installed the nitrous because the car met my goals on just motor. With a cage I could see if I could get into the 8's

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I finally found my problem. I needed rear adjustable shocks. I ran two passes. A 9.91 ET and a 9.88 Et. I didn't even get to sort things out and they told me to slow it down or go home. I went home. I think they didn't like the MPH. I went 140 and 141 MPH. I'm sure in a few more passes I could have gone 9.60's or even 50's.
I don't think I want to put a cage in the car but then that opens up a new horizon. I built the motor for a 450 hp shot of NOS but I never installed the nitrous because the car met my goals on just motor. With a cage I could see if I could get into the 8's


you went 141mph with out a cage? if you did im thinking you are

Re: Looking for Pictures of NHRA legal Roll Cages E body [Re: 6PKRTSE] #1540655
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Look closely & you can see where we kicked the door bars around the door panel pad.



I don't have the x bar just side but if you're allowed to bend then that's what I'll do. I don't want to remove the door panels because then what would be done with the back ones and this is a street strip car and don't want a tin car.

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you went 141mph with out a cage? if you did im thinking you are




If they left me I would try to go 160 MPH with out a cage. Rather than butcher my car.
It's safer than running a car that fast on the street with no bar or harness. I believe when your numbers up your numbers up. No amount of safety equipment will save you.

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well ok then, if you believe that then I would never worry about any safety gear

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I not saying you can go step in front of a train and it will derail and miss you. But if you wreck at a high rate of speed the difference between a cage and a 6 point bar won't save your life.

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I not saying you can go step in front of a train and it will derail and miss you. But if you wreck at a high rate of speed the difference between a cage and a 6 point bar won't save your life.


you are very wrong on that , but ok

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I have seen people wreck on the street that weren't even wearing seatbelts and the car is destroyed. You would swear no one could have survived and they walk away without a scratch. Sometimes even ejected from the vehicle. Then you see a wreck that doesn't look bad at all and the driver was killed. Dale Earnhardts fatal crash comes to mind.
Some might call it luck but I believe it is something else. Why are some people so lucky?

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A custom built cage can be designed around the cars interior and be able to be certified if done correctly.If you have the equipment and knowledge you can do it yourself if not find a compendent shop that can satisfy your needs.Most all wrecks we have seen with a bar or cage the driver walked away.Many wrecks on the highway without turn out ugly.I would never race a car with out a bar or cage that was capable of 11 seconds or faster,but that's just my opinion.There is enough risk in our sport and anything that will make it safer is important.

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I have seen people wreck on the street that weren't even wearing seatbelts and the car is destroyed. You would swear no one could have survived and they walk away without a scratch. Sometimes even ejected from the vehicle. Then you see a wreck that doesn't look bad at all and the driver was killed. Dale Earnhardts fatal crash comes to mind.
Some might call it luck but I believe it is something else. Why are some people so lucky?


why do some people win the lotto? I chose to help my odds if possible. but hey it's your head, as long as you don't take some innocent person with you.

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A cage or bar adds more than safety... it adds rigidity
to the body.. if you have a nice ride and it launches
even some what hard its twisting the body..
I myself believe in a cage for the safety and rigidity
and a better launch

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