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Hypothetical Tech Question... #1526838
11/01/13 11:12 AM 11/01/13 11:12 AM
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Is it possible to have a tech-related post on here where the facts & experiences drive the discussion, rather than egos and opinions?

Maybe it's me (ENTIRELY POSSIBLE!), but it seems like there's a much higher chance of posts on here degrading into these days than in the past.
Re: Hypothetical Tech Question... [Re: BradH] #1526839
11/01/13 11:25 AM 11/01/13 11:25 AM
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So, if your own personal experience flys in the face of the excepted facts, do you even post them, or do you feel the need to add a disclaimer?
I used to take such debates personally, but I'd like to think I've grown in the 12 years I've visited this site.

"Livin' in a powder keg and givin' off sparks" 4 Street cars, 5 Race engines
Re: Hypothetical Tech Question... [Re: BradH] #1526840
11/01/13 11:43 AM 11/01/13 11:43 AM
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My experiences almost always fly in the face of accepted tribal knowledge. It appears as though I've been doing everything wrong from the very beginning - yet still get some decent results. That's why I always have to start any of my posts with "in my experience"... and end with "your experiences may vary."

I know "my" way isn't everybody else's way - but that's how I do it. LOL
Re: Hypothetical Tech Question... [Re: BradH] #1526841
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Quote:

Is it possible to have a tech-related post on here where the facts & experiences drive the discussion, rather than egos and opinions?

Maybe it's me (ENTIRELY POSSIBLE!), but it seems like there's a much higher chance of posts on here degrading into these days than in the past.



Nope, not possible. Opinions are often formed form experience ( which doesn't necessarily make them right ). Ego's - that's often the main problem. With age comes wisdom in that area. To put it in technical terms, the more you step on your crank, the better you are at keeping your ego in check.

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Re: Hypothetical Tech Question... [Re: Crizila] #1526842
11/01/13 12:58 PM 11/01/13 12:58 PM
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Nope, not possible.


OK, this thread can end here.

Everybody back to the of your choice!

And as the old Sarge on "Hill Street Blues" used to tell everyone: "Hey! Let's be careful out there..."


Re: Hypothetical Tech Question... [Re: BradH] #1526843
11/01/13 01:02 PM 11/01/13 01:02 PM
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Chandler, AZ
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Nope, not possible.


OK, this thread can end here.

Everybody back to the of your choice!

And as the old Sarge on "Hill Street Blues" used to tell everyone: "Hey! Let's be careful out there..."





Uhhh, you're dating yourself as being one of us "old" guys....

Re: Hypothetical Tech Question... [Re: Duner] #1526844
11/01/13 01:09 PM 11/01/13 01:09 PM
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i,m pretty lucky i spent my teenage years in the sixties.now my brain cells are down to a managable level.

Re: Hypothetical Tech Question... [Re: bonefish] #1526845
11/01/13 01:57 PM 11/01/13 01:57 PM
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I liken a lot of the tech here to a flood. Sometimes you just have to take high ground, wait till it's over and then go back and pick up what's worth saving.

Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.
Re: Hypothetical Tech Question... [Re: dannysbee] #1526846
11/01/13 02:11 PM 11/01/13 02:11 PM
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Pattison Texas
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most of the time my post are ignored,probably a good thing lol
so i dont post very often. I have learned a lot from this web site for my engine build,so THANK YOU MOPARTS!!!

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512ci 9.7 compression, Stealth heads, 4.10 gear A518 ODtrans 4100lb,10.93 full street car trim
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Re: Hypothetical Tech Question... [Re: dannysbee] #1526847
11/01/13 02:23 PM 11/01/13 02:23 PM
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Mt. Vernon, Ohio
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I liken a lot of the tech here to a flood. Sometimes you just have to take high ground, wait till it's over and then go back and pick up what's worth saving.

excellent point!

Light travels faster than the speed of sound,,,this is why some people seem bright untill you hear them speak.
Re: Hypothetical Tech Question... [Re: dartman366] #1526848
11/01/13 03:03 PM 11/01/13 03:03 PM
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- to the last 3 posts.

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Re: Hypothetical Tech Question... [Re: dartman366] #1526849
11/01/13 03:09 PM 11/01/13 03:09 PM
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There are some very intelligent people on this site and I would venture to say that you Brad are one of them but, having said that no one knows everything and there is always some new thinking coming out and that's a good thing.

I don't mind the discourse whether it's ego fueled or not, sometimes brilliant ideas come out of it.

"Follow me the wise man said, but he walked behind"


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Re: Hypothetical Tech Question... [Re: CSK] #1526850
11/01/13 03:21 PM 11/01/13 03:21 PM
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The Great White North
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I was one of those teenagers that ate up every HotRod/CarCraft/MoparAction/MoparMuscle/ChryslerPower/PopHotRodding etc... In my quest for knowledge. When I began working in an actual machine shop I was amazed at how my real life experience did not coincide with what I was reading in the mags. There are no absolutes in this field. This is where the term "Your results may vary" will apply. I don't really feel anyone has "all" the answers so I approach any internet content with a "I know what I know" attitude and that's it. You will keep your mind/perception intact much easier with this outlook. At least "It works for me" (remember Hunter with Fred Dryer?) J.Rob

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Re: Hypothetical Tech Question... [Re: dartman366] #1526851
11/01/13 04:32 PM 11/01/13 04:32 PM
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I liken a lot of the tech here to a flood. Sometimes you just have to take high ground, wait till it's over and then go back and pick up what's worth saving.

excellent point!



I think of this whole internet/forum/chats/etc,,,as a 'public restroom'. You can go in and find just about anything written on the wall, but that doesn't mean it's true.

If you like drag racing, support your local track.
Re: Hypothetical Tech Question... [Re: RAMM] #1526852
11/01/13 08:22 PM 11/01/13 08:22 PM
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St. Paul , Mn.
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There are no absolutes in this field. This is where the term "Your results may vary" will apply.



This is gospel truth , though I really liked the flood analogy too.
There are just some things that will not repeat.
I was gabbing with Bill Werner a few years back , he tuned Scotty Parker and the H.D. factory team. Now the XR 750 motors are dinosaurs , but he told me they could dyno a motor , take it apart to inspect , put it back together and find or lose 3 to 5 h.p. routinely.
If he didn't know why , I'm sure not gonna figure it out.
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Re: Hypothetical Tech Question... [Re: tubtar] #1526853
11/01/13 10:49 PM 11/01/13 10:49 PM
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Rather than post questions or comments I just read then form my own opinion and keep it to myself, when I have questions I know who to ask for the correct answer.

Re: Hypothetical Tech Question... [Re: BradH] #1526854
11/01/13 11:58 PM 11/01/13 11:58 PM
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Based on my life experience in attempting to answer your question, my answer can best be summed up by the Movie scene in "Zerp Dark Thirty", where all the big shots are meeting, and Tony Saprano asks who exactly located this Bin laden guy anyway, and the chick seated in the back of the room delivers her classic line, the movie "moneyball" also basically has same theme, ie bias and prejudices unfortunately negatively narrows many's search for answers.

Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
Re: Hypothetical Tech Question... [Re: MoparBilly] #1526855
11/02/13 07:34 PM 11/02/13 07:34 PM
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So, if your own personal experience flys in the face of the excepted facts, do you even post them, or do you feel the need to add a disclaimer?
I used to take such debates personally, but I'd like to think I've grown in the 12 years I've visited this site.



x2...except I haven't been here 12 years LOL
Re: Hypothetical Tech Question... [Re: BradH] #1526856
11/02/13 08:13 PM 11/02/13 08:13 PM
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Now you know why less and less gets posted by people that really know what they're talking about ,and more posted by keyboard cowboys .
I know a few guys who have decided its not worth the hassles anymore.
Keith

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Re: Hypothetical Tech Question... [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1526857
11/02/13 09:08 PM 11/02/13 09:08 PM
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Yup it seems like way more arguing/picking fights than there used to be.
I'm betting a lot more questions get asked via pm now also.
Re: Hypothetical Tech Question... [Re: MPerry] #1526858
11/02/13 09:21 PM 11/02/13 09:21 PM
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My advice would be to ignore what others post, and just listen to me.

"use it 'till it breaks, replace as needed"
Re: Hypothetical Tech Question... [Re: MPerry] #1526859
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I'm betting a lot more questions get asked via pm now also.

If you need to an answer in a PM...... You likely don't have a clue an are more concerned with lining your pockets with $$ from BS info.......... If you know what you are talking about you are more likely to do it on an open forum........
Re: Hypothetical Tech Question... [Re: SSDart] #1526860
11/02/13 09:36 PM 11/02/13 09:36 PM
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I'm betting a lot more questions get asked via pm now also.

If you need to an answer in a PM...... You likely don't have a clue an are more concerned with lining your pockets with $$ from BS info.......... If you know what you are talking about you are more likely to do it on an open forum........



Huh? I think you misunderstood. If someone sends a pm asking a question.
Re: Hypothetical Tech Question... [Re: MPerry] #1526861
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I'm betting a lot more questions get asked via pm now also.

If you need to an answer in a PM...... You likely don't have a clue an are more concerned with lining your pockets with $$ from BS info.......... If you know what you are talking about you are more likely to do it on an open forum........



Huh? I think you misunderstood. If someone sends a pm asking a question.

Then they already know the answer they want to hear and ask where they know they will get the answer they want to hear.......
Re: Hypothetical Tech Question... [Re: CHAPPER] #1526862
11/02/13 11:01 PM 11/02/13 11:01 PM
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I liken a lot of the tech here to a flood. Sometimes you just have to take high ground, wait till it's over and then go back and pick up what's worth saving.

excellent point!



I think of this whole internet/forum/chats/etc,,,as a 'public restroom'. You can go in and find just about anything written on the wall, but that doesn't mean it's true.


If it's repeated enough it becomes the truth.

Re: Hypothetical Tech Question... [Re: goldmember] #1526863
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This has been one of the most rational threads I've seen in here in a while.
Re: Hypothetical Tech Question... [Re: SSDart] #1526864
11/02/13 11:52 PM 11/02/13 11:52 PM
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I'm betting a lot more questions get asked via pm now also.

If you need to an answer in a PM...... You likely don't have a clue an are more concerned with lining your pockets with $$ from BS info.......... If you know what you are talking about you are more likely to do it on an open forum........

PM's are good. Cuts out a lot of what the OP is referring to.

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Re: Hypothetical Tech Question... [Re: Crizila] #1526865
11/03/13 11:11 AM 11/03/13 11:11 AM
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How things are said is the key.

Different opinions with respect will keep all minds open and lead to a post that could benefit everyone.
Even if someones approach or idea has some flaws it may open some doors to a different way of looking at a situation and a new solution.

Just to think I knew all there was to know about something would mean the end of my interest in it personally i enjoy hearing any new insight.

We do need to hear if someone feels information is flawed we do not need it in the form of a attack a question would be far more effective and productive.

Posts would most likely increase and people with far more wisdom and knowledge than I may return to post Information usable to us all.

That is the part I miss on this site we have lost some great posters.


Try not to take things personally

Its just cars

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Re: Hypothetical Tech Question... [Re: BradH] #1526866
11/03/13 02:29 PM 11/03/13 02:29 PM
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I am here for the shared information and experience, and thank those that are here for that. (and funny stories)

It is still a good site and I ask people to not only read but to share. It helps others to not make the same mistakes we have made and enjoy the sport/hobby.

We are car guys/racers and all have egos, can't we remember that and have some fun.


"Just a Bracket car dressed up like a streetcar"
Re: Hypothetical Tech Question... [Re: Just-a-dart] #1526867
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Well said.
Re: Hypothetical Tech Question... [Re: Wv68charger] #1526868
11/03/13 05:30 PM 11/03/13 05:30 PM
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Rather than post questions or comments I just read then form my own opinion and keep it to myself, when I have questions I know who to ask for the correct answer.



This is what I go by. After reading posts on here for a few years, you learn who you can ask and get decent answers.
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